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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$




My work. Let $x$ be a limit.



If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.



If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??










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    that's not a topology
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:04










  • @mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:09










  • @mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
    – Robert Z
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
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    Nov 24 at 14:15

















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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$




My work. Let $x$ be a limit.



If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.



If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??










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    that's not a topology
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:04










  • @mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:09










  • @mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
    – Robert Z
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:15















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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$




My work. Let $x$ be a limit.



If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.



If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??










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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$




My work. Let $x$ be a limit.



If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.



If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??







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    that's not a topology
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:04










  • @mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:09










  • @mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
    – Robert Z
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:15
















  • 1




    that's not a topology
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:04










  • @mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:09










  • @mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
    – Robert Z
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
    – Aleksandra
    Nov 24 at 14:12










  • @RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
    – mathworker21
    Nov 24 at 14:15










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that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04




that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04












@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09




@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09












@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12




@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12












@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12




@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12












@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15






@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15












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Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.






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    Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.



    Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
    has the property:



    $$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$



    Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.



    So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.






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      The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.






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      • $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
        – Robert Z
        Nov 24 at 14:22










      • @RobertZ: Yeah.
        – Yadati Kiran
        Nov 24 at 14:24










      • @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
        – Aleksandra
        Nov 24 at 14:32










      • @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
        – Yadati Kiran
        Nov 24 at 14:33












      • @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
        – Aleksandra
        Nov 24 at 14:34











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      Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.






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        Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.






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          Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.






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          Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.







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              Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.



              Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
              has the property:



              $$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$



              Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.



              So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.






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                Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.



                Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
                has the property:



                $$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$



                Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.



                So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.






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                  Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.



                  Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
                  has the property:



                  $$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$



                  Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.



                  So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.






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                  Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.



                  Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
                  has the property:



                  $$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$



                  Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.



                  So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.







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                      The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.






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                      • $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                        – Robert Z
                        Nov 24 at 14:22










                      • @RobertZ: Yeah.
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:24










                      • @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:32










                      • @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:33












                      • @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:34















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                      The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.






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                      • $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                        – Robert Z
                        Nov 24 at 14:22










                      • @RobertZ: Yeah.
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:24










                      • @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:32










                      • @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:33












                      • @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:34













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                      The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.






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                      The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.







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                      • $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                        – Robert Z
                        Nov 24 at 14:22










                      • @RobertZ: Yeah.
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:24










                      • @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:32










                      • @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:33












                      • @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:34


















                      • $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                        – Robert Z
                        Nov 24 at 14:22










                      • @RobertZ: Yeah.
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:24










                      • @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:32










                      • @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                        – Yadati Kiran
                        Nov 24 at 14:33












                      • @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                        – Aleksandra
                        Nov 24 at 14:34
















                      $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                      – Robert Z
                      Nov 24 at 14:22




                      $(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
                      – Robert Z
                      Nov 24 at 14:22












                      @RobertZ: Yeah.
                      – Yadati Kiran
                      Nov 24 at 14:24




                      @RobertZ: Yeah.
                      – Yadati Kiran
                      Nov 24 at 14:24












                      @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                      – Aleksandra
                      Nov 24 at 14:32




                      @RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
                      – Aleksandra
                      Nov 24 at 14:32












                      @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                      – Yadati Kiran
                      Nov 24 at 14:33






                      @Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
                      – Yadati Kiran
                      Nov 24 at 14:33














                      @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                      – Aleksandra
                      Nov 24 at 14:34




                      @YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
                      – Aleksandra
                      Nov 24 at 14:34


















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