Find the limit of sequence with respect to a given topology
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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$
My work. Let $x$ be a limit.
If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.
If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??
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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$
My work. Let $x$ be a limit.
If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.
If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??
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that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15
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Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$
My work. Let $x$ be a limit.
If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.
If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??
general-topology
Find the limit of sequence $x_{n} = (frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})$ with respect to the topology $$tau = {(n,infty)times (n, infty): n in mathbb{N} } cup {emptyset,mathbb{R^2}}.$$
My work. Let $x$ be a limit.
If $x<0$, every number can be a limit, because in this case neighbourhood of $x$ is $mathbb{R}$.
If $x > 0$. For example, if $x = (0,0)$, neighbourhood looks like $(0,infty)times (0, infty)$. So, here is not limit for sequence $x_n$?? Or limit equals $(1,1)$??
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edited Nov 24 at 15:27
Robert Z
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that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15
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that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15
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1
that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15
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Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.
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Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.
Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
has the property:
$$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$
Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.
So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.
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The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
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Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.
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Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.
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Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.
Hint. Note that the sequence $left((frac{1}{n},frac{1}{n})right)_{ngeq 1}$ is eventually contained in $mathbb{R}^2setminus ((1,infty)times(1,infty))$.
answered Nov 24 at 14:21
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Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.
Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
has the property:
$$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$
Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.
So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.
Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
has the property:
$$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$
Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.
So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.
Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
has the property:
$$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$
Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.
So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.
Let's abstract a bit: the topology is just a decreasing sequence of open sets $U_1 supset U_2 supset U_3 supset ldots $ with empty intersection, and the compulsory $emptyset, X$ are open too. It's quite easy to check that this always gives a topology.
Now in our case, $U_n = (n,infty) times (n, infty)$ of course and the sequence
has the property:
$$forall n: x_n in U_0, x_n notin U_1$$
Now for any point $p$ not in $U_1$, the only open neighbourhoods it has are (possibly $U_0$) and in $X$, and in both cases, this contains the whole sequence. So $x_n to p$ for $p notin U_1$ and if $p in U_1$, then $U_1$ is a neighbourhood of $p$ such that no tail of the sequence lies in it (it entirely misses the sequence in fact), and so $x_n$ cannot converge to $p$.
So there lots of limits for this sequence : all points $(x,y) notin (1,infty) times (1,infty)$ i.e. all $(x,y)$ with $x le 1$ or $y le 1$.
edited Nov 25 at 22:05
answered Nov 24 at 18:10
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The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
add a comment |
up vote
0
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up vote
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The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.
The only neighbourhood of $x_n$ for $n>1$ is $mathbb{R}^2$. Since for any point in $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$, $mathbb{R}^2$ is the only neighbourhood incidentally containing infinitely many points of ${x_n}$. points $mathbb{R}^2setminus((1,infty)times(1,infty))$ is set of limit points of ${x_n}$.
edited Nov 24 at 14:32
answered Nov 24 at 14:18
Yadati Kiran
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$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
add a comment |
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
$(0,0)$ is A limit, but not the only one...
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:22
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ: Yeah.
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:24
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@RobertZ but for example, if we take $n=2$, neighbourhood wouldnt look like $(2,infty)times (2,infty)$?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:32
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@Aleksandra: $left(dfrac12,dfrac12right)notin(2,infty)times (2,infty)$
– Yadati Kiran
Nov 24 at 14:33
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
@YadatiKiran Ah! I see it now!!
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:34
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that's not a topology
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:04
@mathworker21 so, there is no limit for that sequence?
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:09
@mathworker21 Why do you think that $tau$ is not a topology?
– Robert Z
Nov 24 at 14:12
@mathworker21 and why its not topology?? I have checked it and I got topology
– Aleksandra
Nov 24 at 14:12
@RobertZ $((1,infty)times(1,infty))cap ((2,infty)times(2,infty)) = (1,2)times(1,2)$.
– mathworker21
Nov 24 at 14:15