Finding expectation of joint uniform continuous distribution without integrating











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From SOA sample 138:




A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



$$f(x,y)=
begin{cases}
{1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
0, & text{otherwise}
end{cases}$$



The machine operates until both components fail.
Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




I was able to get the solution by deciding on case $Y>X$, drawing a triangle with vertices at $(0,0)$, $(0,10)$, and $(5,5)$ and then integrating $int_0^5 int_{x}^{10-x}{yover50} dy dx$ to get $2.5$, and then doubling by symmetry for the case of $X>Y$ to get $5$.



However the SOA solution does it a different way that I am trying to understand:




Suppose the component represented by the random variable $X$ fails last. This is represented by
the triangle with vertices at $(0, 0)$, $(10, 0)$ and $(5, 5)$. Because the density is uniform over this
region, the mean value of $X$ and thus the expected operational time of the machine is 5.
By
symmetry, if the component represented by the random variable $Y$ fails last, the expected
operational time of the machine is also $5$. Thus, the unconditional expected operational time of
the machine must be $5$ as well.




I bolded the part that I do not understand. Where do they get $5$ just by looking at the triangle, which is $25$ in area?










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    Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
    – Henry
    Nov 26 at 23:50















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From SOA sample 138:




A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



$$f(x,y)=
begin{cases}
{1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
0, & text{otherwise}
end{cases}$$



The machine operates until both components fail.
Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




I was able to get the solution by deciding on case $Y>X$, drawing a triangle with vertices at $(0,0)$, $(0,10)$, and $(5,5)$ and then integrating $int_0^5 int_{x}^{10-x}{yover50} dy dx$ to get $2.5$, and then doubling by symmetry for the case of $X>Y$ to get $5$.



However the SOA solution does it a different way that I am trying to understand:




Suppose the component represented by the random variable $X$ fails last. This is represented by
the triangle with vertices at $(0, 0)$, $(10, 0)$ and $(5, 5)$. Because the density is uniform over this
region, the mean value of $X$ and thus the expected operational time of the machine is 5.
By
symmetry, if the component represented by the random variable $Y$ fails last, the expected
operational time of the machine is also $5$. Thus, the unconditional expected operational time of
the machine must be $5$ as well.




I bolded the part that I do not understand. Where do they get $5$ just by looking at the triangle, which is $25$ in area?










share|cite|improve this question


















  • 1




    Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
    – Henry
    Nov 26 at 23:50













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From SOA sample 138:




A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



$$f(x,y)=
begin{cases}
{1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
0, & text{otherwise}
end{cases}$$



The machine operates until both components fail.
Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




I was able to get the solution by deciding on case $Y>X$, drawing a triangle with vertices at $(0,0)$, $(0,10)$, and $(5,5)$ and then integrating $int_0^5 int_{x}^{10-x}{yover50} dy dx$ to get $2.5$, and then doubling by symmetry for the case of $X>Y$ to get $5$.



However the SOA solution does it a different way that I am trying to understand:




Suppose the component represented by the random variable $X$ fails last. This is represented by
the triangle with vertices at $(0, 0)$, $(10, 0)$ and $(5, 5)$. Because the density is uniform over this
region, the mean value of $X$ and thus the expected operational time of the machine is 5.
By
symmetry, if the component represented by the random variable $Y$ fails last, the expected
operational time of the machine is also $5$. Thus, the unconditional expected operational time of
the machine must be $5$ as well.




I bolded the part that I do not understand. Where do they get $5$ just by looking at the triangle, which is $25$ in area?










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From SOA sample 138:




A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



$$f(x,y)=
begin{cases}
{1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
0, & text{otherwise}
end{cases}$$



The machine operates until both components fail.
Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




I was able to get the solution by deciding on case $Y>X$, drawing a triangle with vertices at $(0,0)$, $(0,10)$, and $(5,5)$ and then integrating $int_0^5 int_{x}^{10-x}{yover50} dy dx$ to get $2.5$, and then doubling by symmetry for the case of $X>Y$ to get $5$.



However the SOA solution does it a different way that I am trying to understand:




Suppose the component represented by the random variable $X$ fails last. This is represented by
the triangle with vertices at $(0, 0)$, $(10, 0)$ and $(5, 5)$. Because the density is uniform over this
region, the mean value of $X$ and thus the expected operational time of the machine is 5.
By
symmetry, if the component represented by the random variable $Y$ fails last, the expected
operational time of the machine is also $5$. Thus, the unconditional expected operational time of
the machine must be $5$ as well.




I bolded the part that I do not understand. Where do they get $5$ just by looking at the triangle, which is $25$ in area?







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    Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
    – Henry
    Nov 26 at 23:50














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    Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
    – Henry
    Nov 26 at 23:50








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Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
– Henry
Nov 26 at 23:50




Because the line from $(5,5)$ to $(5,0)$ is a median of the triangle and so shows the mean of the triangle
– Henry
Nov 26 at 23:50










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It has naught to do with the area.



The isosceles triangle, $triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5)$, is symmetrical about the vertical line through $overline{~(5,0)(5,5)~}$, and the density inside that shape is uniform.   Therefore the (conditional) mean value of $X$ given it is inside that shape is $5$.



$$mathsf E(Xmid (X,Y){in}triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5))=5$$






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  • So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
    – agblt
    Nov 27 at 1:02












  • @abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
    – Graham Kemp
    Nov 27 at 1:31











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It has naught to do with the area.



The isosceles triangle, $triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5)$, is symmetrical about the vertical line through $overline{~(5,0)(5,5)~}$, and the density inside that shape is uniform.   Therefore the (conditional) mean value of $X$ given it is inside that shape is $5$.



$$mathsf E(Xmid (X,Y){in}triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5))=5$$






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  • So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
    – agblt
    Nov 27 at 1:02












  • @abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
    – Graham Kemp
    Nov 27 at 1:31















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It has naught to do with the area.



The isosceles triangle, $triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5)$, is symmetrical about the vertical line through $overline{~(5,0)(5,5)~}$, and the density inside that shape is uniform.   Therefore the (conditional) mean value of $X$ given it is inside that shape is $5$.



$$mathsf E(Xmid (X,Y){in}triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5))=5$$






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  • So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
    – agblt
    Nov 27 at 1:02












  • @abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
    – Graham Kemp
    Nov 27 at 1:31













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It has naught to do with the area.



The isosceles triangle, $triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5)$, is symmetrical about the vertical line through $overline{~(5,0)(5,5)~}$, and the density inside that shape is uniform.   Therefore the (conditional) mean value of $X$ given it is inside that shape is $5$.



$$mathsf E(Xmid (X,Y){in}triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5))=5$$






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It has naught to do with the area.



The isosceles triangle, $triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5)$, is symmetrical about the vertical line through $overline{~(5,0)(5,5)~}$, and the density inside that shape is uniform.   Therefore the (conditional) mean value of $X$ given it is inside that shape is $5$.



$$mathsf E(Xmid (X,Y){in}triangle(0,0)(10,0)(5,5))=5$$







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  • So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
    – agblt
    Nov 27 at 1:02












  • @abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
    – Graham Kemp
    Nov 27 at 1:31


















  • So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
    – agblt
    Nov 27 at 1:02












  • @abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
    – Graham Kemp
    Nov 27 at 1:31
















So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
– agblt
Nov 27 at 1:02






So once we can make this triangle, and the density is uniform, we don't care about what the joint density specifically is, meaning it could just as well be $1over1000$ as $1over50$?
– agblt
Nov 27 at 1:02














@abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
– Graham Kemp
Nov 27 at 1:31




@abbot well, we don't need to know it's value to find the expectation.
– Graham Kemp
Nov 27 at 1:31


















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