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I have problems finding limits of recursive sequence like: $a_1 = 5$ $a_{n+1} = frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1$



I know that intuitively the limit will be $1$, since $frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3}$ tends to 0, but I have problems proving that.



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      I know that intuitively the limit will be $1$, since $frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3}$ tends to 0, but I have problems proving that.



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      I have problems finding limits of recursive sequence like: $a_1 = 5$ $a_{n+1} = frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1$



      I know that intuitively the limit will be $1$, since $frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3}$ tends to 0, but I have problems proving that.



      Hints would be appreciated.







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          First to all we'll need to show that $a_n$ is monotone, in particular decreasing by induction.



          It's simple verify that $a_2<a_1$ and $a_ngeq 1$ for every $n$ because the term $frac{a^2_n}{10n+3}$ is always $geq 0$, now suppose $a_n<a_{n-1}$ then $a_n^2<a_{n-1}^2$ and
          $$
          a_{n+1}=frac{a_n^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10n+3}+1=a_n
          $$



          Now $a_n$ is decreasing and lower bounded by $1$ so $a_n$ has got a limit: $lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_n=linmathbb R$. Then
          $$
          l=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}frac{a_n^2}{10n+3}+1=frac l{+infty}+1=0+1=1
          $$

          then $l=1$.






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          • Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
            – José
            Nov 22 at 11:14










          • Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
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            Nov 22 at 11:16












          • For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
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            Nov 22 at 11:19


















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          It should be clear that $a_n >0$ for all n.



          Now prove, by induction, that $(a_n)$ is decreasing.



          Hence $(a_n)$ is monotonic and bounded and therefore convergent. If $a$ is the limit of $(a_n)$ then $ frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1 to 1$ as $n to infty$, hence $a_{n+1} to 1$ as $n to infty$.






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            First to all we'll need to show that $a_n$ is monotone, in particular decreasing by induction.



            It's simple verify that $a_2<a_1$ and $a_ngeq 1$ for every $n$ because the term $frac{a^2_n}{10n+3}$ is always $geq 0$, now suppose $a_n<a_{n-1}$ then $a_n^2<a_{n-1}^2$ and
            $$
            a_{n+1}=frac{a_n^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10n+3}+1=a_n
            $$



            Now $a_n$ is decreasing and lower bounded by $1$ so $a_n$ has got a limit: $lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_n=linmathbb R$. Then
            $$
            l=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}frac{a_n^2}{10n+3}+1=frac l{+infty}+1=0+1=1
            $$

            then $l=1$.






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            • Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
              – José
              Nov 22 at 11:14










            • Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:16












            • For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:19















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            First to all we'll need to show that $a_n$ is monotone, in particular decreasing by induction.



            It's simple verify that $a_2<a_1$ and $a_ngeq 1$ for every $n$ because the term $frac{a^2_n}{10n+3}$ is always $geq 0$, now suppose $a_n<a_{n-1}$ then $a_n^2<a_{n-1}^2$ and
            $$
            a_{n+1}=frac{a_n^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10n+3}+1=a_n
            $$



            Now $a_n$ is decreasing and lower bounded by $1$ so $a_n$ has got a limit: $lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_n=linmathbb R$. Then
            $$
            l=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}frac{a_n^2}{10n+3}+1=frac l{+infty}+1=0+1=1
            $$

            then $l=1$.






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            • Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
              – José
              Nov 22 at 11:14










            • Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:16












            • For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:19













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            First to all we'll need to show that $a_n$ is monotone, in particular decreasing by induction.



            It's simple verify that $a_2<a_1$ and $a_ngeq 1$ for every $n$ because the term $frac{a^2_n}{10n+3}$ is always $geq 0$, now suppose $a_n<a_{n-1}$ then $a_n^2<a_{n-1}^2$ and
            $$
            a_{n+1}=frac{a_n^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10n+3}+1=a_n
            $$



            Now $a_n$ is decreasing and lower bounded by $1$ so $a_n$ has got a limit: $lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_n=linmathbb R$. Then
            $$
            l=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}frac{a_n^2}{10n+3}+1=frac l{+infty}+1=0+1=1
            $$

            then $l=1$.






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            First to all we'll need to show that $a_n$ is monotone, in particular decreasing by induction.



            It's simple verify that $a_2<a_1$ and $a_ngeq 1$ for every $n$ because the term $frac{a^2_n}{10n+3}$ is always $geq 0$, now suppose $a_n<a_{n-1}$ then $a_n^2<a_{n-1}^2$ and
            $$
            a_{n+1}=frac{a_n^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10(n+1)+3}+1<frac{a_{n-1}^2}{10n+3}+1=a_n
            $$



            Now $a_n$ is decreasing and lower bounded by $1$ so $a_n$ has got a limit: $lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_n=linmathbb R$. Then
            $$
            l=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nrightarrow +infty}frac{a_n^2}{10n+3}+1=frac l{+infty}+1=0+1=1
            $$

            then $l=1$.







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            • Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
              – José
              Nov 22 at 11:14










            • Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:16












            • For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:19


















            • Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
              – José
              Nov 22 at 11:14










            • Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:16












            • For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
              – P De Donato
              Nov 22 at 11:19
















            Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
            – José
            Nov 22 at 11:14




            Would it be enough to show that $a_n$ is non-increasing instead of showing it's decreasing?
            – José
            Nov 22 at 11:14












            Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
            – P De Donato
            Nov 22 at 11:16






            Yes, for generic successions $a_n$ you need at least one of: 1. $a_n$ not decreasing ($a_ngeq a_{n-1}$) and upper bounded; 2. $a_n$ not increasing ($a_nleq a_{n-1}$) and lower bounded.
            – P De Donato
            Nov 22 at 11:16














            For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
            – P De Donato
            Nov 22 at 11:19




            For example succession $a_n=(-1)^n$ is lower and upper bounded but hasn't limit (it isn't monotone).
            – P De Donato
            Nov 22 at 11:19










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            It should be clear that $a_n >0$ for all n.



            Now prove, by induction, that $(a_n)$ is decreasing.



            Hence $(a_n)$ is monotonic and bounded and therefore convergent. If $a$ is the limit of $(a_n)$ then $ frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1 to 1$ as $n to infty$, hence $a_{n+1} to 1$ as $n to infty$.






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              It should be clear that $a_n >0$ for all n.



              Now prove, by induction, that $(a_n)$ is decreasing.



              Hence $(a_n)$ is monotonic and bounded and therefore convergent. If $a$ is the limit of $(a_n)$ then $ frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1 to 1$ as $n to infty$, hence $a_{n+1} to 1$ as $n to infty$.






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                It should be clear that $a_n >0$ for all n.



                Now prove, by induction, that $(a_n)$ is decreasing.



                Hence $(a_n)$ is monotonic and bounded and therefore convergent. If $a$ is the limit of $(a_n)$ then $ frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1 to 1$ as $n to infty$, hence $a_{n+1} to 1$ as $n to infty$.






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                It should be clear that $a_n >0$ for all n.



                Now prove, by induction, that $(a_n)$ is decreasing.



                Hence $(a_n)$ is monotonic and bounded and therefore convergent. If $a$ is the limit of $(a_n)$ then $ frac{(a_n)^2}{10n + 3} + 1 to 1$ as $n to infty$, hence $a_{n+1} to 1$ as $n to infty$.







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