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Here's what my textbook asks me to prove:




From algebra, recall that, if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then
$p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$. Use this to prove that $sqrt{p}$
is irrational for any prime $p$.




I know the proof follows exactly like the proof of irrationality of $sqrt{2}$. But my question is, what if $b=a$? Then the statement would follow like "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" which is false.



I wonder if I am doing some mistake here because the following video https://youtu.be/uQ6KSt94jVY seems to prove the same statement. I think it should be an "inclusive or" there.










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  • How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
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  • @F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
    – Ashish K
    Nov 22 at 10:34












  • I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 22 at 17:37















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Here's what my textbook asks me to prove:




From algebra, recall that, if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then
$p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$. Use this to prove that $sqrt{p}$
is irrational for any prime $p$.




I know the proof follows exactly like the proof of irrationality of $sqrt{2}$. But my question is, what if $b=a$? Then the statement would follow like "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" which is false.



I wonder if I am doing some mistake here because the following video https://youtu.be/uQ6KSt94jVY seems to prove the same statement. I think it should be an "inclusive or" there.










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  • How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
    – F.Carette
    Nov 22 at 10:31










  • @F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
    – Ashish K
    Nov 22 at 10:34












  • I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 22 at 17:37













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Here's what my textbook asks me to prove:




From algebra, recall that, if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then
$p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$. Use this to prove that $sqrt{p}$
is irrational for any prime $p$.




I know the proof follows exactly like the proof of irrationality of $sqrt{2}$. But my question is, what if $b=a$? Then the statement would follow like "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" which is false.



I wonder if I am doing some mistake here because the following video https://youtu.be/uQ6KSt94jVY seems to prove the same statement. I think it should be an "inclusive or" there.










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Here's what my textbook asks me to prove:




From algebra, recall that, if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then
$p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$. Use this to prove that $sqrt{p}$
is irrational for any prime $p$.




I know the proof follows exactly like the proof of irrationality of $sqrt{2}$. But my question is, what if $b=a$? Then the statement would follow like "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" which is false.



I wonder if I am doing some mistake here because the following video https://youtu.be/uQ6KSt94jVY seems to prove the same statement. I think it should be an "inclusive or" there.







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  • How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
    – F.Carette
    Nov 22 at 10:31










  • @F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
    – Ashish K
    Nov 22 at 10:34












  • I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 22 at 17:37


















  • How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
    – F.Carette
    Nov 22 at 10:31










  • @F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
    – Ashish K
    Nov 22 at 10:34












  • I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
    – Andreas Blass
    Nov 22 at 17:37
















How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
– F.Carette
Nov 22 at 10:31




How is the statement false? $ p | a lor p | a equiv p |a $. And $p | a^2 equiv p |a$ (for p prime, of course)
– F.Carette
Nov 22 at 10:31












@F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
– Ashish K
Nov 22 at 10:34






@F.Carette it's an exclusive or.. "exclusive or" is true if exactly one of the statements are true. In this particular case, both would be true.
– Ashish K
Nov 22 at 10:34














I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 22 at 17:37




I see no reason to think that it's an exclusive or.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 22 at 17:37










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Usually, in mathematical and logical contexts, "or" has to be interpreted as an inclusive disjunction, unless it is indicated otherwise.



Note that $3$ (a prime number) divides not only $27 cdot 9$, but also $27$ and $9$. Hence, it is clear that the correct interpretation of the "or" in the statement "if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then $p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$" is the "inclusive or", even when you consider the case where $a neq b$.






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    "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" is correct if and only if the or is an inclusive "or". Hence you are correct.






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      The statement " if $p$ divides $a^2$ then $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$ "
      is not problematic.



      for example $7$ divides $35^2$ so $7$ divides $35$ or $7$ divides $35$ is a true statement. This OR is inclusive and as you know $Plor P equiv P$.






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        Usually, in mathematical and logical contexts, "or" has to be interpreted as an inclusive disjunction, unless it is indicated otherwise.



        Note that $3$ (a prime number) divides not only $27 cdot 9$, but also $27$ and $9$. Hence, it is clear that the correct interpretation of the "or" in the statement "if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then $p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$" is the "inclusive or", even when you consider the case where $a neq b$.






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          Usually, in mathematical and logical contexts, "or" has to be interpreted as an inclusive disjunction, unless it is indicated otherwise.



          Note that $3$ (a prime number) divides not only $27 cdot 9$, but also $27$ and $9$. Hence, it is clear that the correct interpretation of the "or" in the statement "if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then $p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$" is the "inclusive or", even when you consider the case where $a neq b$.






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            Usually, in mathematical and logical contexts, "or" has to be interpreted as an inclusive disjunction, unless it is indicated otherwise.



            Note that $3$ (a prime number) divides not only $27 cdot 9$, but also $27$ and $9$. Hence, it is clear that the correct interpretation of the "or" in the statement "if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then $p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$" is the "inclusive or", even when you consider the case where $a neq b$.






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            Usually, in mathematical and logical contexts, "or" has to be interpreted as an inclusive disjunction, unless it is indicated otherwise.



            Note that $3$ (a prime number) divides not only $27 cdot 9$, but also $27$ and $9$. Hence, it is clear that the correct interpretation of the "or" in the statement "if a prime $p$ divides a product $ab$, then $p$ must divide either $a$ or $b$" is the "inclusive or", even when you consider the case where $a neq b$.







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                "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" is correct if and only if the or is an inclusive "or". Hence you are correct.






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                  "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" is correct if and only if the or is an inclusive "or". Hence you are correct.






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                    "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" is correct if and only if the or is an inclusive "or". Hence you are correct.






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                    "if $p$ divides $a^2$ then either $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$" is correct if and only if the or is an inclusive "or". Hence you are correct.







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                        The statement " if $p$ divides $a^2$ then $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$ "
                        is not problematic.



                        for example $7$ divides $35^2$ so $7$ divides $35$ or $7$ divides $35$ is a true statement. This OR is inclusive and as you know $Plor P equiv P$.






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                          The statement " if $p$ divides $a^2$ then $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$ "
                          is not problematic.



                          for example $7$ divides $35^2$ so $7$ divides $35$ or $7$ divides $35$ is a true statement. This OR is inclusive and as you know $Plor P equiv P$.






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                            The statement " if $p$ divides $a^2$ then $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$ "
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                            for example $7$ divides $35^2$ so $7$ divides $35$ or $7$ divides $35$ is a true statement. This OR is inclusive and as you know $Plor P equiv P$.






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                            The statement " if $p$ divides $a^2$ then $p$ divides $a$ or $p$ divides $a$ "
                            is not problematic.



                            for example $7$ divides $35^2$ so $7$ divides $35$ or $7$ divides $35$ is a true statement. This OR is inclusive and as you know $Plor P equiv P$.







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