Homomorphism from $p$-adic to $l$-adic groups
I have seen and heard the statement that the $p$-adic and $l$-adic topologies are incompatible. I would appreciate a proof or references supporting this statement. More precisely, I am interested in the proof of the following statement:
Let $G$ and $H$ be $p$-adic and $l$-adic Lie groups respectively, $l neq p$. Then any homomorphism between them is locally constant.
I am quite certain that this can be found in text book, if so references are welcome.
Thanks!
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I have seen and heard the statement that the $p$-adic and $l$-adic topologies are incompatible. I would appreciate a proof or references supporting this statement. More precisely, I am interested in the proof of the following statement:
Let $G$ and $H$ be $p$-adic and $l$-adic Lie groups respectively, $l neq p$. Then any homomorphism between them is locally constant.
I am quite certain that this can be found in text book, if so references are welcome.
Thanks!
reference-request lie-groups topological-groups p-adic-number-theory
The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:30
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If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33
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I have seen and heard the statement that the $p$-adic and $l$-adic topologies are incompatible. I would appreciate a proof or references supporting this statement. More precisely, I am interested in the proof of the following statement:
Let $G$ and $H$ be $p$-adic and $l$-adic Lie groups respectively, $l neq p$. Then any homomorphism between them is locally constant.
I am quite certain that this can be found in text book, if so references are welcome.
Thanks!
reference-request lie-groups topological-groups p-adic-number-theory
I have seen and heard the statement that the $p$-adic and $l$-adic topologies are incompatible. I would appreciate a proof or references supporting this statement. More precisely, I am interested in the proof of the following statement:
Let $G$ and $H$ be $p$-adic and $l$-adic Lie groups respectively, $l neq p$. Then any homomorphism between them is locally constant.
I am quite certain that this can be found in text book, if so references are welcome.
Thanks!
reference-request lie-groups topological-groups p-adic-number-theory
reference-request lie-groups topological-groups p-adic-number-theory
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The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:30
2
If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33
add a comment |
The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:30
2
If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33
The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:30
The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:30
2
2
If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33
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Let $p neq ell$ be distinct prime numbers, $G$ be a $p$-adic Lie group and $H$ be an $ell$-adic Lie group. Let $f: G to H$ is a continuous group morphism. We show that $f$ is locally constant.
Since $f$ is a group morphism, it is sufficient to show that there is an open neighbourhood $U$ of $1_G$ such that $f$ is constant on $U$.
In general, a $p$-adic Lie group is Hausdorff (by definition) and locally compact (since $Bbb Q_p$ is), and has an open neighbourhood of the identity which is a pro-$p$-group
(see corollary 8.33 in Analytic Pro-P Groups $^{[1]}$), i.e. for every open normal subgroup $Ntriangleleft G$, the quotient $G/N$ is a (finite) $p$-group.
Let $W subset H$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_H$ which is a pro-$ell$-group, and $V subset G$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_G$ which is a pro-$p$-group
Let $U = f^{-1}(W) cap V$, which is an open (hence closed) subgroup of $V$.
A closed subgroup of a pro-$p$-group is a pro-$p$-group (prop. 2.2.1 a) in Ribes, Zalesskii, Profinite groups). Hence $U$ is a pro-$p$-group, which maps via $f$ to the pro-$ell$-group $W$, that is $f(U) subset W$.
Thereby, we may assume that
$f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism from a pro-$p$-group to a pro-$ell$-group. We wish to show that $f(G) = {1_H}$, i.e. $f$ is constant.
In that setting, $f(G)$ is a compact subspace of the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$-group is a pro-$ell$-group. Also, $f(G)$ is a pro-$p$-group.
Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup $N leq f(G)$ has quotient being both a finite $p$-group and an $ell$-group, which implies $f(G) / N = {1}$.
But the identity element of $f(G)$ admits a fundamental system of open normal subgroups, which are all equal to $f(G)$ as we just saw above. Then the topology on $f(G)$ is trivial, and also Hausdorff, hence $f(G)$ is a singleton. This finishes the proof.
$^{[1]}$ I'm not sure that this is an easy result. The main steps seems to be theorem 8.29 on the one hand: every $p$-adic analytic group has an open subgroup which is a "standard group", which is locally homeomorphic to $pBbb Z_p^r$ for some $r geq 0$ (see definition 8.22), and theorem 8.31 on the other hand.
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
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Let $p neq ell$ be distinct prime numbers, $G$ be a $p$-adic Lie group and $H$ be an $ell$-adic Lie group. Let $f: G to H$ is a continuous group morphism. We show that $f$ is locally constant.
Since $f$ is a group morphism, it is sufficient to show that there is an open neighbourhood $U$ of $1_G$ such that $f$ is constant on $U$.
In general, a $p$-adic Lie group is Hausdorff (by definition) and locally compact (since $Bbb Q_p$ is), and has an open neighbourhood of the identity which is a pro-$p$-group
(see corollary 8.33 in Analytic Pro-P Groups $^{[1]}$), i.e. for every open normal subgroup $Ntriangleleft G$, the quotient $G/N$ is a (finite) $p$-group.
Let $W subset H$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_H$ which is a pro-$ell$-group, and $V subset G$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_G$ which is a pro-$p$-group
Let $U = f^{-1}(W) cap V$, which is an open (hence closed) subgroup of $V$.
A closed subgroup of a pro-$p$-group is a pro-$p$-group (prop. 2.2.1 a) in Ribes, Zalesskii, Profinite groups). Hence $U$ is a pro-$p$-group, which maps via $f$ to the pro-$ell$-group $W$, that is $f(U) subset W$.
Thereby, we may assume that
$f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism from a pro-$p$-group to a pro-$ell$-group. We wish to show that $f(G) = {1_H}$, i.e. $f$ is constant.
In that setting, $f(G)$ is a compact subspace of the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$-group is a pro-$ell$-group. Also, $f(G)$ is a pro-$p$-group.
Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup $N leq f(G)$ has quotient being both a finite $p$-group and an $ell$-group, which implies $f(G) / N = {1}$.
But the identity element of $f(G)$ admits a fundamental system of open normal subgroups, which are all equal to $f(G)$ as we just saw above. Then the topology on $f(G)$ is trivial, and also Hausdorff, hence $f(G)$ is a singleton. This finishes the proof.
$^{[1]}$ I'm not sure that this is an easy result. The main steps seems to be theorem 8.29 on the one hand: every $p$-adic analytic group has an open subgroup which is a "standard group", which is locally homeomorphic to $pBbb Z_p^r$ for some $r geq 0$ (see definition 8.22), and theorem 8.31 on the other hand.
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
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Let $p neq ell$ be distinct prime numbers, $G$ be a $p$-adic Lie group and $H$ be an $ell$-adic Lie group. Let $f: G to H$ is a continuous group morphism. We show that $f$ is locally constant.
Since $f$ is a group morphism, it is sufficient to show that there is an open neighbourhood $U$ of $1_G$ such that $f$ is constant on $U$.
In general, a $p$-adic Lie group is Hausdorff (by definition) and locally compact (since $Bbb Q_p$ is), and has an open neighbourhood of the identity which is a pro-$p$-group
(see corollary 8.33 in Analytic Pro-P Groups $^{[1]}$), i.e. for every open normal subgroup $Ntriangleleft G$, the quotient $G/N$ is a (finite) $p$-group.
Let $W subset H$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_H$ which is a pro-$ell$-group, and $V subset G$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_G$ which is a pro-$p$-group
Let $U = f^{-1}(W) cap V$, which is an open (hence closed) subgroup of $V$.
A closed subgroup of a pro-$p$-group is a pro-$p$-group (prop. 2.2.1 a) in Ribes, Zalesskii, Profinite groups). Hence $U$ is a pro-$p$-group, which maps via $f$ to the pro-$ell$-group $W$, that is $f(U) subset W$.
Thereby, we may assume that
$f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism from a pro-$p$-group to a pro-$ell$-group. We wish to show that $f(G) = {1_H}$, i.e. $f$ is constant.
In that setting, $f(G)$ is a compact subspace of the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$-group is a pro-$ell$-group. Also, $f(G)$ is a pro-$p$-group.
Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup $N leq f(G)$ has quotient being both a finite $p$-group and an $ell$-group, which implies $f(G) / N = {1}$.
But the identity element of $f(G)$ admits a fundamental system of open normal subgroups, which are all equal to $f(G)$ as we just saw above. Then the topology on $f(G)$ is trivial, and also Hausdorff, hence $f(G)$ is a singleton. This finishes the proof.
$^{[1]}$ I'm not sure that this is an easy result. The main steps seems to be theorem 8.29 on the one hand: every $p$-adic analytic group has an open subgroup which is a "standard group", which is locally homeomorphic to $pBbb Z_p^r$ for some $r geq 0$ (see definition 8.22), and theorem 8.31 on the other hand.
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
add a comment |
Let $p neq ell$ be distinct prime numbers, $G$ be a $p$-adic Lie group and $H$ be an $ell$-adic Lie group. Let $f: G to H$ is a continuous group morphism. We show that $f$ is locally constant.
Since $f$ is a group morphism, it is sufficient to show that there is an open neighbourhood $U$ of $1_G$ such that $f$ is constant on $U$.
In general, a $p$-adic Lie group is Hausdorff (by definition) and locally compact (since $Bbb Q_p$ is), and has an open neighbourhood of the identity which is a pro-$p$-group
(see corollary 8.33 in Analytic Pro-P Groups $^{[1]}$), i.e. for every open normal subgroup $Ntriangleleft G$, the quotient $G/N$ is a (finite) $p$-group.
Let $W subset H$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_H$ which is a pro-$ell$-group, and $V subset G$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_G$ which is a pro-$p$-group
Let $U = f^{-1}(W) cap V$, which is an open (hence closed) subgroup of $V$.
A closed subgroup of a pro-$p$-group is a pro-$p$-group (prop. 2.2.1 a) in Ribes, Zalesskii, Profinite groups). Hence $U$ is a pro-$p$-group, which maps via $f$ to the pro-$ell$-group $W$, that is $f(U) subset W$.
Thereby, we may assume that
$f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism from a pro-$p$-group to a pro-$ell$-group. We wish to show that $f(G) = {1_H}$, i.e. $f$ is constant.
In that setting, $f(G)$ is a compact subspace of the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$-group is a pro-$ell$-group. Also, $f(G)$ is a pro-$p$-group.
Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup $N leq f(G)$ has quotient being both a finite $p$-group and an $ell$-group, which implies $f(G) / N = {1}$.
But the identity element of $f(G)$ admits a fundamental system of open normal subgroups, which are all equal to $f(G)$ as we just saw above. Then the topology on $f(G)$ is trivial, and also Hausdorff, hence $f(G)$ is a singleton. This finishes the proof.
$^{[1]}$ I'm not sure that this is an easy result. The main steps seems to be theorem 8.29 on the one hand: every $p$-adic analytic group has an open subgroup which is a "standard group", which is locally homeomorphic to $pBbb Z_p^r$ for some $r geq 0$ (see definition 8.22), and theorem 8.31 on the other hand.
Let $p neq ell$ be distinct prime numbers, $G$ be a $p$-adic Lie group and $H$ be an $ell$-adic Lie group. Let $f: G to H$ is a continuous group morphism. We show that $f$ is locally constant.
Since $f$ is a group morphism, it is sufficient to show that there is an open neighbourhood $U$ of $1_G$ such that $f$ is constant on $U$.
In general, a $p$-adic Lie group is Hausdorff (by definition) and locally compact (since $Bbb Q_p$ is), and has an open neighbourhood of the identity which is a pro-$p$-group
(see corollary 8.33 in Analytic Pro-P Groups $^{[1]}$), i.e. for every open normal subgroup $Ntriangleleft G$, the quotient $G/N$ is a (finite) $p$-group.
Let $W subset H$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_H$ which is a pro-$ell$-group, and $V subset G$ be an open neighbourhood of $1_G$ which is a pro-$p$-group
Let $U = f^{-1}(W) cap V$, which is an open (hence closed) subgroup of $V$.
A closed subgroup of a pro-$p$-group is a pro-$p$-group (prop. 2.2.1 a) in Ribes, Zalesskii, Profinite groups). Hence $U$ is a pro-$p$-group, which maps via $f$ to the pro-$ell$-group $W$, that is $f(U) subset W$.
Thereby, we may assume that
$f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism from a pro-$p$-group to a pro-$ell$-group. We wish to show that $f(G) = {1_H}$, i.e. $f$ is constant.
In that setting, $f(G)$ is a compact subspace of the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$-group is a pro-$ell$-group. Also, $f(G)$ is a pro-$p$-group.
Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup $N leq f(G)$ has quotient being both a finite $p$-group and an $ell$-group, which implies $f(G) / N = {1}$.
But the identity element of $f(G)$ admits a fundamental system of open normal subgroups, which are all equal to $f(G)$ as we just saw above. Then the topology on $f(G)$ is trivial, and also Hausdorff, hence $f(G)$ is a singleton. This finishes the proof.
$^{[1]}$ I'm not sure that this is an easy result. The main steps seems to be theorem 8.29 on the one hand: every $p$-adic analytic group has an open subgroup which is a "standard group", which is locally homeomorphic to $pBbb Z_p^r$ for some $r geq 0$ (see definition 8.22), and theorem 8.31 on the other hand.
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Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
add a comment |
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Unfortunately, I don't know any reference which states explicitely that every continuous morphism from a $p$-adic Lie group to an $ell$-adic Lie group is locally constant when $p neq ell$.
– Watson
Dec 8 '18 at 12:45
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
Thanks a lot for posting an answer. It is of great help especially the details and the precise references provided in the answer.
– random123
Dec 8 '18 at 12:56
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The answer here is useful: math.stackexchange.com/questions/182078
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If $f: G to H$ is a continuous morphism, then $f(G)$ is compact in the Hausdorff space $H$, hence closed. But a closed subgroup of a pro-$ell$ is pro-$ell$. Also, $f(G)$ is pro-p. Finally, notice that if $f(G)$ is both pro-$p$ and pro-$ell$, then every open normal subgroup has quotient being a finite p-group and an $ell$-group... it should be helpful.
– Watson
Dec 5 '18 at 17:37
@Watson Thanks for wonderful answer. Since I am new to this, let me just ask, we can assume $G$ and $H$ are pro $p$ and $l$ groups since the question is local in nature and I can always go to open subgroups? Thanks again. Also would you consider making this into an answer or perhaps post the comment itself as an answer?
– random123
Dec 6 '18 at 3:33