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I'm trying to figure out the number of ways to divide n people into k groups with at least 2 people in each group. Should I first decide a recurrence relation of the number? I don't know how I could prove such a relation.










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  • I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
    – drhab
    Nov 29 at 13:13












  • The groups are indistinguishable
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 13:21






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    Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
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    Nov 29 at 13:56


















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I'm trying to figure out the number of ways to divide n people into k groups with at least 2 people in each group. Should I first decide a recurrence relation of the number? I don't know how I could prove such a relation.










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  • I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
    – drhab
    Nov 29 at 13:13












  • The groups are indistinguishable
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 13:21






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    Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
    – saulspatz
    Nov 29 at 13:56
















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I'm trying to figure out the number of ways to divide n people into k groups with at least 2 people in each group. Should I first decide a recurrence relation of the number? I don't know how I could prove such a relation.










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I'm trying to figure out the number of ways to divide n people into k groups with at least 2 people in each group. Should I first decide a recurrence relation of the number? I don't know how I could prove such a relation.







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  • I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
    – drhab
    Nov 29 at 13:13












  • The groups are indistinguishable
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 13:21






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    Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
    – saulspatz
    Nov 29 at 13:56




















  • I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
    – drhab
    Nov 29 at 13:13












  • The groups are indistinguishable
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 13:21






  • 1




    Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
    – saulspatz
    Nov 29 at 13:56


















I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
– drhab
Nov 29 at 13:13






I reckon that the persons are distinguishable. Are the groups also distinguishable (I suspect only on cardinality, but it is essential information and must be given)?
– drhab
Nov 29 at 13:13














The groups are indistinguishable
– Jingting931015
Nov 29 at 13:21




The groups are indistinguishable
– Jingting931015
Nov 29 at 13:21




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Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
– saulspatz
Nov 29 at 13:56






Let $G(n,k)$ be the desired number. When we add a new person, we can either add him to an existing group, or we can pair him with one of the $n$ persons, and group the remaining $n-1$ persons into $k-1$ groups of at least two people.$$G(n+1,k)=k(G(n,k)+nG(n-1,k-1)$$
– saulspatz
Nov 29 at 13:56












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Denote by $G(n,k)$ the number of partitions of $n$ people into $k$ groups of size $geq2$. It is obvious that $G(n,k)=0$ if $n<2k$. Furthermore
$$G(n,1)=left{eqalign{&0qquad(n<2)cr &1qquad(ngeq2) .cr}right.$$
A recursion with respect to $k$ is obtained as follows: The oldest person among the $n$ may choose the size $jgeq 2$ of his group and then the other members of his group in ${n-1choose j-1}$ ways. There are then $n-j$ people left over, which have to be partitioned into $k-1$ groups of size $geq2$. This enforces $n-jgeq 2(k-1)$, and leads to the recursion
$$G(n,k)=sum_{j=2}^{n+2-2k}{n-1choose j-1}G(n-j,k-1)qquad(ngeq2k, kgeq2) .$$
In the case $g(k):=G(2k,k)$ one obtains a closed formula with double factorials. By letting the oldest person make the first choice one immediately obtains the recursion $g(k)=(2k-1)g(k-1)$, so that $g(k)=1cdot3cdot5cdotldotscdot(2k-1)$.






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  • I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 15:15










  • Thanks a lot for the explanation!
    – Jingting931015
    Nov 29 at 15:53










  • Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
    – Marko Riedel
    Nov 29 at 19:28



















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We get more or less by inspection the combinatorial class



$$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
textsc{SET}_{=k}(textsc{SET}_{ge 2}(mathcal{Z})).$$



This yields per the generating function



$$G_{n,k} = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!} (exp(z)-z-1)^k
\ = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!}
sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q} z^{k-q}
\ = n! frac{1}{k!}
sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q}
[z^{n+q-k}] (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q}
\ = n! frac{1}{k!}
sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
[z^{n+q-k}] frac{(exp(z)-1)^q}{q!} (-1)^{k-q}
\ = n! frac{1}{k!}
sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
frac{1}{(n+q-k)!} {n+q-kbrace q} (-1)^{k-q}.$$



This simplifies to



$$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{ G_{n,k} =
sum_{q=0}^k {nchoose k-q} (-1)^{k-q} {n+q-kbrace q}.}$$



I.e. we get for $n=10$ the sequence



$$1, 501, 6825, 9450, 945, 0, ldots$$



which points us to OEIS A008299, where
these data are confirmed and, incidentally, shown to match the
accepted answer.






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    Here is a derivation of Marko Riedel's formula using the principle of inclusion-exclusion.



    Let $P$ be the set of partitions of your set of ${1,2,dots,n}$ elements into $k$ groups (without the $ge 2$ restriction). For each $iin {1,2,dots,n}$, let $P_i$ be the number of partitions where $i$ is in a group of size $1$. We want to count
    $$
    Big|Psetminus bigcup_{i=1}^n P_iBig|.
    $$

    Using inclusion exclusion, and the symmetry of the numbers, this is
    $$
    |P|-binom{n}1|P_1|+binom{n}2|P_1cap P_2|-dots+(-1)^jbinom{n}j|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|+dots
    $$

    To count $|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|$, note that elements $1,2,dots,k$ are all alone, so we must partition the remaining $n-j$ elements into $k-j$ parts. This can be done in ${n-j brace k-j}$ ways, by defintion of the Stirling numbers of the second kind. Therefore, the final result is
    $$
    sum_{j=0}^k(-1)^jbinom{n}j{n-j brace k-j}
    $$

    Reversing the order of summation (and changing $j$ to $q$) gives Marko's answer.






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    • Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
      – Marko Riedel
      Nov 30 at 18:09





















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    The the number of ways in which n people can be divided into k groups of which first contain $r_1$ people, second contains $r_2$ people etc. is $frac{n!}{r_1!r_2!...r_k!}$



    Where $r_1,...r_k$ are integers such that $ r_1+r_2 +...+r_k=n, r_igeq 0$






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      Denote by $G(n,k)$ the number of partitions of $n$ people into $k$ groups of size $geq2$. It is obvious that $G(n,k)=0$ if $n<2k$. Furthermore
      $$G(n,1)=left{eqalign{&0qquad(n<2)cr &1qquad(ngeq2) .cr}right.$$
      A recursion with respect to $k$ is obtained as follows: The oldest person among the $n$ may choose the size $jgeq 2$ of his group and then the other members of his group in ${n-1choose j-1}$ ways. There are then $n-j$ people left over, which have to be partitioned into $k-1$ groups of size $geq2$. This enforces $n-jgeq 2(k-1)$, and leads to the recursion
      $$G(n,k)=sum_{j=2}^{n+2-2k}{n-1choose j-1}G(n-j,k-1)qquad(ngeq2k, kgeq2) .$$
      In the case $g(k):=G(2k,k)$ one obtains a closed formula with double factorials. By letting the oldest person make the first choice one immediately obtains the recursion $g(k)=(2k-1)g(k-1)$, so that $g(k)=1cdot3cdot5cdotldotscdot(2k-1)$.






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      • I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:15










      • Thanks a lot for the explanation!
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:53










      • Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
        – Marko Riedel
        Nov 29 at 19:28
















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      Denote by $G(n,k)$ the number of partitions of $n$ people into $k$ groups of size $geq2$. It is obvious that $G(n,k)=0$ if $n<2k$. Furthermore
      $$G(n,1)=left{eqalign{&0qquad(n<2)cr &1qquad(ngeq2) .cr}right.$$
      A recursion with respect to $k$ is obtained as follows: The oldest person among the $n$ may choose the size $jgeq 2$ of his group and then the other members of his group in ${n-1choose j-1}$ ways. There are then $n-j$ people left over, which have to be partitioned into $k-1$ groups of size $geq2$. This enforces $n-jgeq 2(k-1)$, and leads to the recursion
      $$G(n,k)=sum_{j=2}^{n+2-2k}{n-1choose j-1}G(n-j,k-1)qquad(ngeq2k, kgeq2) .$$
      In the case $g(k):=G(2k,k)$ one obtains a closed formula with double factorials. By letting the oldest person make the first choice one immediately obtains the recursion $g(k)=(2k-1)g(k-1)$, so that $g(k)=1cdot3cdot5cdotldotscdot(2k-1)$.






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      • I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:15










      • Thanks a lot for the explanation!
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:53










      • Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
        – Marko Riedel
        Nov 29 at 19:28














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      Denote by $G(n,k)$ the number of partitions of $n$ people into $k$ groups of size $geq2$. It is obvious that $G(n,k)=0$ if $n<2k$. Furthermore
      $$G(n,1)=left{eqalign{&0qquad(n<2)cr &1qquad(ngeq2) .cr}right.$$
      A recursion with respect to $k$ is obtained as follows: The oldest person among the $n$ may choose the size $jgeq 2$ of his group and then the other members of his group in ${n-1choose j-1}$ ways. There are then $n-j$ people left over, which have to be partitioned into $k-1$ groups of size $geq2$. This enforces $n-jgeq 2(k-1)$, and leads to the recursion
      $$G(n,k)=sum_{j=2}^{n+2-2k}{n-1choose j-1}G(n-j,k-1)qquad(ngeq2k, kgeq2) .$$
      In the case $g(k):=G(2k,k)$ one obtains a closed formula with double factorials. By letting the oldest person make the first choice one immediately obtains the recursion $g(k)=(2k-1)g(k-1)$, so that $g(k)=1cdot3cdot5cdotldotscdot(2k-1)$.






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      Denote by $G(n,k)$ the number of partitions of $n$ people into $k$ groups of size $geq2$. It is obvious that $G(n,k)=0$ if $n<2k$. Furthermore
      $$G(n,1)=left{eqalign{&0qquad(n<2)cr &1qquad(ngeq2) .cr}right.$$
      A recursion with respect to $k$ is obtained as follows: The oldest person among the $n$ may choose the size $jgeq 2$ of his group and then the other members of his group in ${n-1choose j-1}$ ways. There are then $n-j$ people left over, which have to be partitioned into $k-1$ groups of size $geq2$. This enforces $n-jgeq 2(k-1)$, and leads to the recursion
      $$G(n,k)=sum_{j=2}^{n+2-2k}{n-1choose j-1}G(n-j,k-1)qquad(ngeq2k, kgeq2) .$$
      In the case $g(k):=G(2k,k)$ one obtains a closed formula with double factorials. By letting the oldest person make the first choice one immediately obtains the recursion $g(k)=(2k-1)g(k-1)$, so that $g(k)=1cdot3cdot5cdotldotscdot(2k-1)$.







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      • I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:15










      • Thanks a lot for the explanation!
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:53










      • Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
        – Marko Riedel
        Nov 29 at 19:28


















      • I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:15










      • Thanks a lot for the explanation!
        – Jingting931015
        Nov 29 at 15:53










      • Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
        – Marko Riedel
        Nov 29 at 19:28
















      I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
      – Jingting931015
      Nov 29 at 15:15




      I see. This is really helpful! Suppose that I want to consider the special case where n=2k, is there a way to find a formula for rn,k?
      – Jingting931015
      Nov 29 at 15:15












      Thanks a lot for the explanation!
      – Jingting931015
      Nov 29 at 15:53




      Thanks a lot for the explanation!
      – Jingting931015
      Nov 29 at 15:53












      Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
      – Marko Riedel
      Nov 29 at 19:28




      Upvoted (+1). Matches the closed form.
      – Marko Riedel
      Nov 29 at 19:28











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      We get more or less by inspection the combinatorial class



      $$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
      defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
      textsc{SET}_{=k}(textsc{SET}_{ge 2}(mathcal{Z})).$$



      This yields per the generating function



      $$G_{n,k} = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!} (exp(z)-z-1)^k
      \ = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!}
      sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q} z^{k-q}
      \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
      sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q}
      [z^{n+q-k}] (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q}
      \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
      sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
      [z^{n+q-k}] frac{(exp(z)-1)^q}{q!} (-1)^{k-q}
      \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
      sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
      frac{1}{(n+q-k)!} {n+q-kbrace q} (-1)^{k-q}.$$



      This simplifies to



      $$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{ G_{n,k} =
      sum_{q=0}^k {nchoose k-q} (-1)^{k-q} {n+q-kbrace q}.}$$



      I.e. we get for $n=10$ the sequence



      $$1, 501, 6825, 9450, 945, 0, ldots$$



      which points us to OEIS A008299, where
      these data are confirmed and, incidentally, shown to match the
      accepted answer.






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        We get more or less by inspection the combinatorial class



        $$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
        defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
        textsc{SET}_{=k}(textsc{SET}_{ge 2}(mathcal{Z})).$$



        This yields per the generating function



        $$G_{n,k} = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!} (exp(z)-z-1)^k
        \ = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!}
        sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q} z^{k-q}
        \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
        sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q}
        [z^{n+q-k}] (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q}
        \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
        sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
        [z^{n+q-k}] frac{(exp(z)-1)^q}{q!} (-1)^{k-q}
        \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
        sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
        frac{1}{(n+q-k)!} {n+q-kbrace q} (-1)^{k-q}.$$



        This simplifies to



        $$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{ G_{n,k} =
        sum_{q=0}^k {nchoose k-q} (-1)^{k-q} {n+q-kbrace q}.}$$



        I.e. we get for $n=10$ the sequence



        $$1, 501, 6825, 9450, 945, 0, ldots$$



        which points us to OEIS A008299, where
        these data are confirmed and, incidentally, shown to match the
        accepted answer.






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          We get more or less by inspection the combinatorial class



          $$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
          defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
          textsc{SET}_{=k}(textsc{SET}_{ge 2}(mathcal{Z})).$$



          This yields per the generating function



          $$G_{n,k} = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!} (exp(z)-z-1)^k
          \ = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q} z^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q}
          [z^{n+q-k}] (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
          [z^{n+q-k}] frac{(exp(z)-1)^q}{q!} (-1)^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
          frac{1}{(n+q-k)!} {n+q-kbrace q} (-1)^{k-q}.$$



          This simplifies to



          $$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{ G_{n,k} =
          sum_{q=0}^k {nchoose k-q} (-1)^{k-q} {n+q-kbrace q}.}$$



          I.e. we get for $n=10$ the sequence



          $$1, 501, 6825, 9450, 945, 0, ldots$$



          which points us to OEIS A008299, where
          these data are confirmed and, incidentally, shown to match the
          accepted answer.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          We get more or less by inspection the combinatorial class



          $$deftextsc#1{dosc#1csod}
          defdosc#1#2csod{{rm #1{small #2}}}
          textsc{SET}_{=k}(textsc{SET}_{ge 2}(mathcal{Z})).$$



          This yields per the generating function



          $$G_{n,k} = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!} (exp(z)-z-1)^k
          \ = n! [z^n] frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q} z^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q}
          [z^{n+q-k}] (exp(z)-1)^q (-1)^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
          [z^{n+q-k}] frac{(exp(z)-1)^q}{q!} (-1)^{k-q}
          \ = n! frac{1}{k!}
          sum_{q=0}^k {kchoose q} q!
          frac{1}{(n+q-k)!} {n+q-kbrace q} (-1)^{k-q}.$$



          This simplifies to



          $$bbox[5px,border:2px solid #00A000]{ G_{n,k} =
          sum_{q=0}^k {nchoose k-q} (-1)^{k-q} {n+q-kbrace q}.}$$



          I.e. we get for $n=10$ the sequence



          $$1, 501, 6825, 9450, 945, 0, ldots$$



          which points us to OEIS A008299, where
          these data are confirmed and, incidentally, shown to match the
          accepted answer.







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          Marko Riedel

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              Here is a derivation of Marko Riedel's formula using the principle of inclusion-exclusion.



              Let $P$ be the set of partitions of your set of ${1,2,dots,n}$ elements into $k$ groups (without the $ge 2$ restriction). For each $iin {1,2,dots,n}$, let $P_i$ be the number of partitions where $i$ is in a group of size $1$. We want to count
              $$
              Big|Psetminus bigcup_{i=1}^n P_iBig|.
              $$

              Using inclusion exclusion, and the symmetry of the numbers, this is
              $$
              |P|-binom{n}1|P_1|+binom{n}2|P_1cap P_2|-dots+(-1)^jbinom{n}j|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|+dots
              $$

              To count $|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|$, note that elements $1,2,dots,k$ are all alone, so we must partition the remaining $n-j$ elements into $k-j$ parts. This can be done in ${n-j brace k-j}$ ways, by defintion of the Stirling numbers of the second kind. Therefore, the final result is
              $$
              sum_{j=0}^k(-1)^jbinom{n}j{n-j brace k-j}
              $$

              Reversing the order of summation (and changing $j$ to $q$) gives Marko's answer.






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              • Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
                – Marko Riedel
                Nov 30 at 18:09


















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              Here is a derivation of Marko Riedel's formula using the principle of inclusion-exclusion.



              Let $P$ be the set of partitions of your set of ${1,2,dots,n}$ elements into $k$ groups (without the $ge 2$ restriction). For each $iin {1,2,dots,n}$, let $P_i$ be the number of partitions where $i$ is in a group of size $1$. We want to count
              $$
              Big|Psetminus bigcup_{i=1}^n P_iBig|.
              $$

              Using inclusion exclusion, and the symmetry of the numbers, this is
              $$
              |P|-binom{n}1|P_1|+binom{n}2|P_1cap P_2|-dots+(-1)^jbinom{n}j|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|+dots
              $$

              To count $|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|$, note that elements $1,2,dots,k$ are all alone, so we must partition the remaining $n-j$ elements into $k-j$ parts. This can be done in ${n-j brace k-j}$ ways, by defintion of the Stirling numbers of the second kind. Therefore, the final result is
              $$
              sum_{j=0}^k(-1)^jbinom{n}j{n-j brace k-j}
              $$

              Reversing the order of summation (and changing $j$ to $q$) gives Marko's answer.






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              • Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
                – Marko Riedel
                Nov 30 at 18:09
















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              Here is a derivation of Marko Riedel's formula using the principle of inclusion-exclusion.



              Let $P$ be the set of partitions of your set of ${1,2,dots,n}$ elements into $k$ groups (without the $ge 2$ restriction). For each $iin {1,2,dots,n}$, let $P_i$ be the number of partitions where $i$ is in a group of size $1$. We want to count
              $$
              Big|Psetminus bigcup_{i=1}^n P_iBig|.
              $$

              Using inclusion exclusion, and the symmetry of the numbers, this is
              $$
              |P|-binom{n}1|P_1|+binom{n}2|P_1cap P_2|-dots+(-1)^jbinom{n}j|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|+dots
              $$

              To count $|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|$, note that elements $1,2,dots,k$ are all alone, so we must partition the remaining $n-j$ elements into $k-j$ parts. This can be done in ${n-j brace k-j}$ ways, by defintion of the Stirling numbers of the second kind. Therefore, the final result is
              $$
              sum_{j=0}^k(-1)^jbinom{n}j{n-j brace k-j}
              $$

              Reversing the order of summation (and changing $j$ to $q$) gives Marko's answer.






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              Here is a derivation of Marko Riedel's formula using the principle of inclusion-exclusion.



              Let $P$ be the set of partitions of your set of ${1,2,dots,n}$ elements into $k$ groups (without the $ge 2$ restriction). For each $iin {1,2,dots,n}$, let $P_i$ be the number of partitions where $i$ is in a group of size $1$. We want to count
              $$
              Big|Psetminus bigcup_{i=1}^n P_iBig|.
              $$

              Using inclusion exclusion, and the symmetry of the numbers, this is
              $$
              |P|-binom{n}1|P_1|+binom{n}2|P_1cap P_2|-dots+(-1)^jbinom{n}j|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|+dots
              $$

              To count $|P_1cap P_2cap dots cap P_j|$, note that elements $1,2,dots,k$ are all alone, so we must partition the remaining $n-j$ elements into $k-j$ parts. This can be done in ${n-j brace k-j}$ ways, by defintion of the Stirling numbers of the second kind. Therefore, the final result is
              $$
              sum_{j=0}^k(-1)^jbinom{n}j{n-j brace k-j}
              $$

              Reversing the order of summation (and changing $j$ to $q$) gives Marko's answer.







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              answered Nov 30 at 17:20









              Mike Earnest

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              • Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
                – Marko Riedel
                Nov 30 at 18:09




















              • Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
                – Marko Riedel
                Nov 30 at 18:09


















              Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
              – Marko Riedel
              Nov 30 at 18:09






              Good work. Verified (+1). For some reason I did not complete the simplification at the end. I will leave my answer as is so that your observations / concluding remarks keep making sense.
              – Marko Riedel
              Nov 30 at 18:09













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              The the number of ways in which n people can be divided into k groups of which first contain $r_1$ people, second contains $r_2$ people etc. is $frac{n!}{r_1!r_2!...r_k!}$



              Where $r_1,...r_k$ are integers such that $ r_1+r_2 +...+r_k=n, r_igeq 0$






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                The the number of ways in which n people can be divided into k groups of which first contain $r_1$ people, second contains $r_2$ people etc. is $frac{n!}{r_1!r_2!...r_k!}$



                Where $r_1,...r_k$ are integers such that $ r_1+r_2 +...+r_k=n, r_igeq 0$






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                  The the number of ways in which n people can be divided into k groups of which first contain $r_1$ people, second contains $r_2$ people etc. is $frac{n!}{r_1!r_2!...r_k!}$



                  Where $r_1,...r_k$ are integers such that $ r_1+r_2 +...+r_k=n, r_igeq 0$






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                  The the number of ways in which n people can be divided into k groups of which first contain $r_1$ people, second contains $r_2$ people etc. is $frac{n!}{r_1!r_2!...r_k!}$



                  Where $r_1,...r_k$ are integers such that $ r_1+r_2 +...+r_k=n, r_igeq 0$







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                  answered Nov 29 at 14:31









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