If $tan(A-B)=1$ and $sec(A+B)=2/sqrt{3}$, find the minimum positive value of $B$











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If $tan(A-B)=1$ and $sec(A+B)=2/sqrt{3}$, find the minimum positive value of $B$




I am using $tan(A-B)=1$, so $A-B=npi+pi/4$ and $A+B = 2npipmpi/6$. Solving these I am getting $B =7pi/24$ and $A =37pi/24$.



The book I am refering to has marked the answer as $19pi/24$.



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If $tan(A-B)=1$ and $sec(A+B)=2/sqrt{3}$, find the minimum positive value of $B$




I am using $tan(A-B)=1$, so $A-B=npi+pi/4$ and $A+B = 2npipmpi/6$. Solving these I am getting $B =7pi/24$ and $A =37pi/24$.



The book I am refering to has marked the answer as $19pi/24$.



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I am using $tan(A-B)=1$, so $A-B=npi+pi/4$ and $A+B = 2npipmpi/6$. Solving these I am getting $B =7pi/24$ and $A =37pi/24$.



The book I am refering to has marked the answer as $19pi/24$.



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If $tan(A-B)=1$ and $sec(A+B)=2/sqrt{3}$, find the minimum positive value of $B$




I am using $tan(A-B)=1$, so $A-B=npi+pi/4$ and $A+B = 2npipmpi/6$. Solving these I am getting $B =7pi/24$ and $A =37pi/24$.



The book I am refering to has marked the answer as $19pi/24$.



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  • math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…
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  • $sec(theta)$ is an even function, so $sec(theta) = sec(-theta)$.
    – KM101
    Nov 2 at 14:53












  • Well it looks like your answer works, and your value of $B$ is smaller than theirs, so I'd say you're right.
    – Sam Streeter
    Nov 2 at 14:54


















  • math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…
    – KM101
    Nov 2 at 14:36










  • $sec(theta)$ is an even function, so $sec(theta) = sec(-theta)$.
    – KM101
    Nov 2 at 14:53












  • Well it looks like your answer works, and your value of $B$ is smaller than theirs, so I'd say you're right.
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$sec(theta)$ is an even function, so $sec(theta) = sec(-theta)$.
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$sec(theta)$ is an even function, so $sec(theta) = sec(-theta)$.
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Well it looks like your answer works, and your value of $B$ is smaller than theirs, so I'd say you're right.
– Sam Streeter
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Well it looks like your answer works, and your value of $B$ is smaller than theirs, so I'd say you're right.
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You correctly have
$$
A=B+frac{pi}{4}+npi
$$

Therefore $A+B=2B+pi/4+npi$. Hence
$$
cosleft(2B+frac{pi}{4}+npiright)=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}=cosfrac{pi}{6}
$$

Therefore either
$$
2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
$$

or
$$
2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=-frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
$$

In the first case
$$
2B=-frac{pi}{12}+(2m-n)pi
$$

which is minimal positive for $2m-n=1$, giving
$$
B=frac{11}{24}pi
$$

In the second case,
$$
2B=-frac{5}{12}pi+(2m-n)pi
$$

that gives the minimal positive solution
$$
B=frac{7}{24}pi
$$



You are right and the book is wrong.






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    First of all, your values for $A$ and $B$ satisfy the given formulae and $B$ is positive, so their proposed minimum for $B$ is definitely wrong.



    One thing you did miss in your reasoning is that there are two families of solutions to $secleft(thetaright) = frac{2}{sqrt{3}}$; there should be a $pm$ with $frac{pi}{6}$ in your formula for $A+B$. However, it turns out that you get the minimum value for $B$ from the family of solutions you gave, and the minimum positive value of $B$ is indeed $frac{7pi}{24}$.



    Explicitly, $$A-B = frac{pi}{4} + npi,$$ $$A+B = pm frac{pi}{6} + 2mpi,$$ so $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(pmfrac{1}{6} - frac{1}{4} + left(2m - nright)right),$$ and then we see that $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(-frac{1}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z}$$ or $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(frac{-5}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z},$$ and the smallest positive value of $B$ is then $frac{7pi}{24}$.



    EDIT: I see that you have/somebody has now edited your question to include the $pm$.






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      Your answer is correct. For all $n in mathbb{Z}$:



      $$tan(A-B) = 1 implies A-B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n$$



      Recall that secant, like cosine, is an even function. (Which you've apparently referred to as well, after the format editing.)



      $$sec(-theta) = sec(theta)$$



      $$sec(A+B) = frac{2}{sqrt 3} implies cos(A+B) = frac{sqrt 3}{2} implies pm(A+B) = frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



      Therefore, there are $2$ cases, neither of which yields the book's answer.



      Case $1$: With $+(A+B)$, by subtracting the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



      $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



      $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-frac{pi}{6}-2pi n$$



      $$-2B = frac{pi}{12}-pi n$$



      $$B = frac{pi n}{2}-frac{pi}{12}$$



      The minimum here is $B = frac{11pi}{24}$.



      Case $2$: With $-(A+B)$, by adding the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



      $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



      $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



      $$-2B = frac{5pi}{12}+3pi n$$



      $$B = -frac{3pi n}{2}-frac{5pi}{24}$$



      The minimum here is $B = frac{7pi}{24}$.



      Thus, the minimum positive value of $B$, as you correctly found, is $frac{7pi}{24}$.






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        You correctly have
        $$
        A=B+frac{pi}{4}+npi
        $$

        Therefore $A+B=2B+pi/4+npi$. Hence
        $$
        cosleft(2B+frac{pi}{4}+npiright)=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}=cosfrac{pi}{6}
        $$

        Therefore either
        $$
        2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
        $$

        or
        $$
        2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=-frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
        $$

        In the first case
        $$
        2B=-frac{pi}{12}+(2m-n)pi
        $$

        which is minimal positive for $2m-n=1$, giving
        $$
        B=frac{11}{24}pi
        $$

        In the second case,
        $$
        2B=-frac{5}{12}pi+(2m-n)pi
        $$

        that gives the minimal positive solution
        $$
        B=frac{7}{24}pi
        $$



        You are right and the book is wrong.






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          You correctly have
          $$
          A=B+frac{pi}{4}+npi
          $$

          Therefore $A+B=2B+pi/4+npi$. Hence
          $$
          cosleft(2B+frac{pi}{4}+npiright)=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}=cosfrac{pi}{6}
          $$

          Therefore either
          $$
          2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
          $$

          or
          $$
          2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=-frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
          $$

          In the first case
          $$
          2B=-frac{pi}{12}+(2m-n)pi
          $$

          which is minimal positive for $2m-n=1$, giving
          $$
          B=frac{11}{24}pi
          $$

          In the second case,
          $$
          2B=-frac{5}{12}pi+(2m-n)pi
          $$

          that gives the minimal positive solution
          $$
          B=frac{7}{24}pi
          $$



          You are right and the book is wrong.






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            You correctly have
            $$
            A=B+frac{pi}{4}+npi
            $$

            Therefore $A+B=2B+pi/4+npi$. Hence
            $$
            cosleft(2B+frac{pi}{4}+npiright)=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}=cosfrac{pi}{6}
            $$

            Therefore either
            $$
            2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
            $$

            or
            $$
            2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=-frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
            $$

            In the first case
            $$
            2B=-frac{pi}{12}+(2m-n)pi
            $$

            which is minimal positive for $2m-n=1$, giving
            $$
            B=frac{11}{24}pi
            $$

            In the second case,
            $$
            2B=-frac{5}{12}pi+(2m-n)pi
            $$

            that gives the minimal positive solution
            $$
            B=frac{7}{24}pi
            $$



            You are right and the book is wrong.






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            You correctly have
            $$
            A=B+frac{pi}{4}+npi
            $$

            Therefore $A+B=2B+pi/4+npi$. Hence
            $$
            cosleft(2B+frac{pi}{4}+npiright)=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}=cosfrac{pi}{6}
            $$

            Therefore either
            $$
            2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
            $$

            or
            $$
            2B+frac{pi}{4}+npi=-frac{pi}{6}+2mpi
            $$

            In the first case
            $$
            2B=-frac{pi}{12}+(2m-n)pi
            $$

            which is minimal positive for $2m-n=1$, giving
            $$
            B=frac{11}{24}pi
            $$

            In the second case,
            $$
            2B=-frac{5}{12}pi+(2m-n)pi
            $$

            that gives the minimal positive solution
            $$
            B=frac{7}{24}pi
            $$



            You are right and the book is wrong.







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                First of all, your values for $A$ and $B$ satisfy the given formulae and $B$ is positive, so their proposed minimum for $B$ is definitely wrong.



                One thing you did miss in your reasoning is that there are two families of solutions to $secleft(thetaright) = frac{2}{sqrt{3}}$; there should be a $pm$ with $frac{pi}{6}$ in your formula for $A+B$. However, it turns out that you get the minimum value for $B$ from the family of solutions you gave, and the minimum positive value of $B$ is indeed $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                Explicitly, $$A-B = frac{pi}{4} + npi,$$ $$A+B = pm frac{pi}{6} + 2mpi,$$ so $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(pmfrac{1}{6} - frac{1}{4} + left(2m - nright)right),$$ and then we see that $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(-frac{1}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z}$$ or $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(frac{-5}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z},$$ and the smallest positive value of $B$ is then $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                EDIT: I see that you have/somebody has now edited your question to include the $pm$.






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                  First of all, your values for $A$ and $B$ satisfy the given formulae and $B$ is positive, so their proposed minimum for $B$ is definitely wrong.



                  One thing you did miss in your reasoning is that there are two families of solutions to $secleft(thetaright) = frac{2}{sqrt{3}}$; there should be a $pm$ with $frac{pi}{6}$ in your formula for $A+B$. However, it turns out that you get the minimum value for $B$ from the family of solutions you gave, and the minimum positive value of $B$ is indeed $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                  Explicitly, $$A-B = frac{pi}{4} + npi,$$ $$A+B = pm frac{pi}{6} + 2mpi,$$ so $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(pmfrac{1}{6} - frac{1}{4} + left(2m - nright)right),$$ and then we see that $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(-frac{1}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z}$$ or $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(frac{-5}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z},$$ and the smallest positive value of $B$ is then $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                  EDIT: I see that you have/somebody has now edited your question to include the $pm$.






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                    First of all, your values for $A$ and $B$ satisfy the given formulae and $B$ is positive, so their proposed minimum for $B$ is definitely wrong.



                    One thing you did miss in your reasoning is that there are two families of solutions to $secleft(thetaright) = frac{2}{sqrt{3}}$; there should be a $pm$ with $frac{pi}{6}$ in your formula for $A+B$. However, it turns out that you get the minimum value for $B$ from the family of solutions you gave, and the minimum positive value of $B$ is indeed $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                    Explicitly, $$A-B = frac{pi}{4} + npi,$$ $$A+B = pm frac{pi}{6} + 2mpi,$$ so $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(pmfrac{1}{6} - frac{1}{4} + left(2m - nright)right),$$ and then we see that $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(-frac{1}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z}$$ or $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(frac{-5}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z},$$ and the smallest positive value of $B$ is then $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                    EDIT: I see that you have/somebody has now edited your question to include the $pm$.






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                    First of all, your values for $A$ and $B$ satisfy the given formulae and $B$ is positive, so their proposed minimum for $B$ is definitely wrong.



                    One thing you did miss in your reasoning is that there are two families of solutions to $secleft(thetaright) = frac{2}{sqrt{3}}$; there should be a $pm$ with $frac{pi}{6}$ in your formula for $A+B$. However, it turns out that you get the minimum value for $B$ from the family of solutions you gave, and the minimum positive value of $B$ is indeed $frac{7pi}{24}$.



                    Explicitly, $$A-B = frac{pi}{4} + npi,$$ $$A+B = pm frac{pi}{6} + 2mpi,$$ so $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(pmfrac{1}{6} - frac{1}{4} + left(2m - nright)right),$$ and then we see that $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(-frac{1}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z}$$ or $$B = frac{pi}{2}left(frac{-5}{12} + kright), quad k in mathbb{Z},$$ and the smallest positive value of $B$ is then $frac{7pi}{24}$.



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                        Your answer is correct. For all $n in mathbb{Z}$:



                        $$tan(A-B) = 1 implies A-B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n$$



                        Recall that secant, like cosine, is an even function. (Which you've apparently referred to as well, after the format editing.)



                        $$sec(-theta) = sec(theta)$$



                        $$sec(A+B) = frac{2}{sqrt 3} implies cos(A+B) = frac{sqrt 3}{2} implies pm(A+B) = frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                        Therefore, there are $2$ cases, neither of which yields the book's answer.



                        Case $1$: With $+(A+B)$, by subtracting the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                        $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                        $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-frac{pi}{6}-2pi n$$



                        $$-2B = frac{pi}{12}-pi n$$



                        $$B = frac{pi n}{2}-frac{pi}{12}$$



                        The minimum here is $B = frac{11pi}{24}$.



                        Case $2$: With $-(A+B)$, by adding the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                        $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                        $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                        $$-2B = frac{5pi}{12}+3pi n$$



                        $$B = -frac{3pi n}{2}-frac{5pi}{24}$$



                        The minimum here is $B = frac{7pi}{24}$.



                        Thus, the minimum positive value of $B$, as you correctly found, is $frac{7pi}{24}$.






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                          Your answer is correct. For all $n in mathbb{Z}$:



                          $$tan(A-B) = 1 implies A-B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n$$



                          Recall that secant, like cosine, is an even function. (Which you've apparently referred to as well, after the format editing.)



                          $$sec(-theta) = sec(theta)$$



                          $$sec(A+B) = frac{2}{sqrt 3} implies cos(A+B) = frac{sqrt 3}{2} implies pm(A+B) = frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                          Therefore, there are $2$ cases, neither of which yields the book's answer.



                          Case $1$: With $+(A+B)$, by subtracting the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                          $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                          $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-frac{pi}{6}-2pi n$$



                          $$-2B = frac{pi}{12}-pi n$$



                          $$B = frac{pi n}{2}-frac{pi}{12}$$



                          The minimum here is $B = frac{11pi}{24}$.



                          Case $2$: With $-(A+B)$, by adding the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                          $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                          $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                          $$-2B = frac{5pi}{12}+3pi n$$



                          $$B = -frac{3pi n}{2}-frac{5pi}{24}$$



                          The minimum here is $B = frac{7pi}{24}$.



                          Thus, the minimum positive value of $B$, as you correctly found, is $frac{7pi}{24}$.






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                            Your answer is correct. For all $n in mathbb{Z}$:



                            $$tan(A-B) = 1 implies A-B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n$$



                            Recall that secant, like cosine, is an even function. (Which you've apparently referred to as well, after the format editing.)



                            $$sec(-theta) = sec(theta)$$



                            $$sec(A+B) = frac{2}{sqrt 3} implies cos(A+B) = frac{sqrt 3}{2} implies pm(A+B) = frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                            Therefore, there are $2$ cases, neither of which yields the book's answer.



                            Case $1$: With $+(A+B)$, by subtracting the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-frac{pi}{6}-2pi n$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{12}-pi n$$



                            $$B = frac{pi n}{2}-frac{pi}{12}$$



                            The minimum here is $B = frac{11pi}{24}$.



                            Case $2$: With $-(A+B)$, by adding the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                            $$-2B = frac{5pi}{12}+3pi n$$



                            $$B = -frac{3pi n}{2}-frac{5pi}{24}$$



                            The minimum here is $B = frac{7pi}{24}$.



                            Thus, the minimum positive value of $B$, as you correctly found, is $frac{7pi}{24}$.






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                            Your answer is correct. For all $n in mathbb{Z}$:



                            $$tan(A-B) = 1 implies A-B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n$$



                            Recall that secant, like cosine, is an even function. (Which you've apparently referred to as well, after the format editing.)



                            $$sec(-theta) = sec(theta)$$



                            $$sec(A+B) = frac{2}{sqrt 3} implies cos(A+B) = frac{sqrt 3}{2} implies pm(A+B) = frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                            Therefore, there are $2$ cases, neither of which yields the book's answer.



                            Case $1$: With $+(A+B)$, by subtracting the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n-frac{pi}{6}-2pi n$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{12}-pi n$$



                            $$B = frac{pi n}{2}-frac{pi}{12}$$



                            The minimum here is $B = frac{11pi}{24}$.



                            Case $2$: With $-(A+B)$, by adding the two equations to eliminate $A$, the following equation is obtained.



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+bigg(frac{pi}{6}+2pi nbigg)$$



                            $$-2B = frac{pi}{4}+pi n+frac{pi}{6}+2pi n$$



                            $$-2B = frac{5pi}{12}+3pi n$$



                            $$B = -frac{3pi n}{2}-frac{5pi}{24}$$



                            The minimum here is $B = frac{7pi}{24}$.



                            Thus, the minimum positive value of $B$, as you correctly found, is $frac{7pi}{24}$.







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