Inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{18}$
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Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be positive numbers. Prove that:
$$frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}+frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}+frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Note that for $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$, the difference between the LHS and the RHS is around $0.0000158...$.
I tried to use Cauchy-Schwarz, but without success.
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Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be positive numbers. Prove that:
$$frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}+frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}+frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Note that for $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$, the difference between the LHS and the RHS is around $0.0000158...$.
I tried to use Cauchy-Schwarz, but without success.
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Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
May 8 '16 at 18:17
See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
– David Quinn
May 8 '16 at 18:42
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@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
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@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
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Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50
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Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be positive numbers. Prove that:
$$frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}+frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}+frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Note that for $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$, the difference between the LHS and the RHS is around $0.0000158...$.
I tried to use Cauchy-Schwarz, but without success.
real-analysis inequality contest-math
Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be positive numbers. Prove that:
$$frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}+frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}+frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Note that for $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$, the difference between the LHS and the RHS is around $0.0000158...$.
I tried to use Cauchy-Schwarz, but without success.
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Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
May 8 '16 at 18:17
See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
– David Quinn
May 8 '16 at 18:42
1
@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
1
@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
1
Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50
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show 21 more comments
2
Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
May 8 '16 at 18:17
See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
– David Quinn
May 8 '16 at 18:42
1
@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
1
@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
1
Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50
2
2
Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
May 8 '16 at 18:17
Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
May 8 '16 at 18:17
See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
– David Quinn
May 8 '16 at 18:42
See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
– David Quinn
May 8 '16 at 18:42
1
1
@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
1
1
@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
1
1
Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50
Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50
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Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sum_{cyc}frac{a}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2geq frac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Each side is divided by $b$
We get :
$$frac{a}{13b} sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2+frac{1}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}))^2+frac{c}{13b}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}))^2geq frac{1+frac{a}{b}+frac{c}{b}}{18}$$
Now we put :
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}=x$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}=y$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}=z$
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}$$$$geq dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
With the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$
We study the following function :
$$f(x)=sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}-dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
This function is easily differentiable and the minimum is for $x=sqrt{frac{3sqrt{77}}{17}-frac{26}{17}}=alpha$
So with the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$ becomes $yz=frac{(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3}{alpha}=beta$
So we have this inequality just with $y$ :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(alpha)^3}{(alpha^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(frac{beta}{y})^2}{((frac{beta}{y})^2+1)}geqdfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}alpha+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
Wich is easily analyzable .
Done !
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
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Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
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I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
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Second proof :
We have the following theorem :
Let $a,b,c$ be real positive numbers then we have :
$$big(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}big)^2+big(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}big)^2+big(frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}big)^2geq frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{18^2}$$
Proof :
The inequality is equivalent to this :
$$big(frac{1}{13+5x^2}big)^2+x^2big(frac{1}{13+5y^2}big)^2+frac{1}{z^2}big(frac{1}{13+5z^2}big)^2geq frac{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}{18^2}$$
With :
$x=frac{b}{a}$
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$y=frac{c}{b}$,
$z=frac{a}{c}$
If we put $f(x)=(frac{1}{13+5x})^2$ we have :
$$f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)geq f(1)+f(1)x^2+f(1)frac{1}{z^2}$$
Or :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(1)$$
Now we can apply Jensen's inequality to the function $f(x)$ with the appropriate weight to get :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(frac{x^2+(xy)^2+frac{z^2}{z^2}}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}})=f(1)$$
So it's proved because we have the condition $xyz=1$.
Now it remains to prove the following inequality :
$$sum_{cyc}(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2})(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2})geq frac{ab+bc+ca}{18^2}$$
I put it in a question because I can't solve it now .
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
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Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sum_{cyc}frac{a}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2geq frac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Each side is divided by $b$
We get :
$$frac{a}{13b} sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2+frac{1}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}))^2+frac{c}{13b}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}))^2geq frac{1+frac{a}{b}+frac{c}{b}}{18}$$
Now we put :
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}=x$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}=y$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}=z$
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}$$$$geq dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
With the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$
We study the following function :
$$f(x)=sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}-dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
This function is easily differentiable and the minimum is for $x=sqrt{frac{3sqrt{77}}{17}-frac{26}{17}}=alpha$
So with the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$ becomes $yz=frac{(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3}{alpha}=beta$
So we have this inequality just with $y$ :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(alpha)^3}{(alpha^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(frac{beta}{y})^2}{((frac{beta}{y})^2+1)}geqdfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}alpha+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
Wich is easily analyzable .
Done !
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
1
Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
4
I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
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Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sum_{cyc}frac{a}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2geq frac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Each side is divided by $b$
We get :
$$frac{a}{13b} sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2+frac{1}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}))^2+frac{c}{13b}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}))^2geq frac{1+frac{a}{b}+frac{c}{b}}{18}$$
Now we put :
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}=x$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}=y$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}=z$
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}$$$$geq dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
With the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$
We study the following function :
$$f(x)=sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}-dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
This function is easily differentiable and the minimum is for $x=sqrt{frac{3sqrt{77}}{17}-frac{26}{17}}=alpha$
So with the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$ becomes $yz=frac{(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3}{alpha}=beta$
So we have this inequality just with $y$ :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(alpha)^3}{(alpha^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(frac{beta}{y})^2}{((frac{beta}{y})^2+1)}geqdfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}alpha+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
Wich is easily analyzable .
Done !
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
1
Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
4
I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
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Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sum_{cyc}frac{a}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2geq frac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Each side is divided by $b$
We get :
$$frac{a}{13b} sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2+frac{1}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}))^2+frac{c}{13b}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}))^2geq frac{1+frac{a}{b}+frac{c}{b}}{18}$$
Now we put :
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}=x$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}=y$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}=z$
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}$$$$geq dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
With the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$
We study the following function :
$$f(x)=sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}-dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
This function is easily differentiable and the minimum is for $x=sqrt{frac{3sqrt{77}}{17}-frac{26}{17}}=alpha$
So with the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$ becomes $yz=frac{(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3}{alpha}=beta$
So we have this inequality just with $y$ :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(alpha)^3}{(alpha^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(frac{beta}{y})^2}{((frac{beta}{y})^2+1)}geqdfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}alpha+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
Wich is easily analyzable .
Done !
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sum_{cyc}frac{a}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2geq frac{a+b+c}{18}$$
Each side is divided by $b$
We get :
$$frac{a}{13b} sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}))^2+frac{1}{13}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}))^2+frac{c}{13b}sin(arctan(sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}))^2geq frac{1+frac{a}{b}+frac{c}{b}}{18}$$
Now we put :
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{a}{b}=x$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{b}{c}=y$
$sqrt{frac{13}{5}}frac{c}{a}=z$
Your inequality is equivalent to :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}$$$$geq dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
With the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$
We study the following function :
$$f(x)=sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(x)^3}{(x^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(z)^2}{(z^2+1)}-dfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}x+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
This function is easily differentiable and the minimum is for $x=sqrt{frac{3sqrt{77}}{17}-frac{26}{17}}=alpha$
So with the condition $xyz=(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3$ becomes $yz=frac{(sqrt{frac{13}{5}})^3}{alpha}=beta$
So we have this inequality just with $y$ :
$$sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}frac{1}{13}dfrac{(alpha)^3}{(alpha^2+1)}+dfrac{1}{13}dfrac{(y)^2}{(y^2+1)}+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{13(y)}dfrac{(frac{beta}{y})^2}{((frac{beta}{y})^2+1)}geqdfrac{1+sqrt{dfrac{5}{13}}alpha+sqrt{dfrac{13}{5}}dfrac{1}{y}}{18}$$
Wich is easily analyzable .
Done !
edited Oct 22 '17 at 9:12
answered Oct 21 '17 at 14:41
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Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
1
Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
4
I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
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show 3 more comments
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
1
Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
4
I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Why the last inequality is true?
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 14:43
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
Wow you analyze rapidly (without irony).I check it with wolfram alpha but I will create a question for this I think .
– max8128
Oct 21 '17 at 14:45
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
We can check the starting inequality by WA without your previous work. But maybe WA is wrong (by the way, it happens sometimes!).
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 15:02
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Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
Delete please your "solution". I think it's not good, which you are doing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 21 '17 at 16:59
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I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
I think it's nothing.
– Michael Rozenberg
Oct 25 '17 at 11:15
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Second proof :
We have the following theorem :
Let $a,b,c$ be real positive numbers then we have :
$$big(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}big)^2+big(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}big)^2+big(frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}big)^2geq frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{18^2}$$
Proof :
The inequality is equivalent to this :
$$big(frac{1}{13+5x^2}big)^2+x^2big(frac{1}{13+5y^2}big)^2+frac{1}{z^2}big(frac{1}{13+5z^2}big)^2geq frac{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}{18^2}$$
With :
$x=frac{b}{a}$
,
$y=frac{c}{b}$,
$z=frac{a}{c}$
If we put $f(x)=(frac{1}{13+5x})^2$ we have :
$$f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)geq f(1)+f(1)x^2+f(1)frac{1}{z^2}$$
Or :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(1)$$
Now we can apply Jensen's inequality to the function $f(x)$ with the appropriate weight to get :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(frac{x^2+(xy)^2+frac{z^2}{z^2}}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}})=f(1)$$
So it's proved because we have the condition $xyz=1$.
Now it remains to prove the following inequality :
$$sum_{cyc}(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2})(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2})geq frac{ab+bc+ca}{18^2}$$
I put it in a question because I can't solve it now .
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
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Second proof :
We have the following theorem :
Let $a,b,c$ be real positive numbers then we have :
$$big(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}big)^2+big(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}big)^2+big(frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}big)^2geq frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{18^2}$$
Proof :
The inequality is equivalent to this :
$$big(frac{1}{13+5x^2}big)^2+x^2big(frac{1}{13+5y^2}big)^2+frac{1}{z^2}big(frac{1}{13+5z^2}big)^2geq frac{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}{18^2}$$
With :
$x=frac{b}{a}$
,
$y=frac{c}{b}$,
$z=frac{a}{c}$
If we put $f(x)=(frac{1}{13+5x})^2$ we have :
$$f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)geq f(1)+f(1)x^2+f(1)frac{1}{z^2}$$
Or :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(1)$$
Now we can apply Jensen's inequality to the function $f(x)$ with the appropriate weight to get :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(frac{x^2+(xy)^2+frac{z^2}{z^2}}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}})=f(1)$$
So it's proved because we have the condition $xyz=1$.
Now it remains to prove the following inequality :
$$sum_{cyc}(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2})(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2})geq frac{ab+bc+ca}{18^2}$$
I put it in a question because I can't solve it now .
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
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up vote
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up vote
-1
down vote
Second proof :
We have the following theorem :
Let $a,b,c$ be real positive numbers then we have :
$$big(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}big)^2+big(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}big)^2+big(frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}big)^2geq frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{18^2}$$
Proof :
The inequality is equivalent to this :
$$big(frac{1}{13+5x^2}big)^2+x^2big(frac{1}{13+5y^2}big)^2+frac{1}{z^2}big(frac{1}{13+5z^2}big)^2geq frac{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}{18^2}$$
With :
$x=frac{b}{a}$
,
$y=frac{c}{b}$,
$z=frac{a}{c}$
If we put $f(x)=(frac{1}{13+5x})^2$ we have :
$$f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)geq f(1)+f(1)x^2+f(1)frac{1}{z^2}$$
Or :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(1)$$
Now we can apply Jensen's inequality to the function $f(x)$ with the appropriate weight to get :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(frac{x^2+(xy)^2+frac{z^2}{z^2}}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}})=f(1)$$
So it's proved because we have the condition $xyz=1$.
Now it remains to prove the following inequality :
$$sum_{cyc}(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2})(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2})geq frac{ab+bc+ca}{18^2}$$
I put it in a question because I can't solve it now .
Second proof :
We have the following theorem :
Let $a,b,c$ be real positive numbers then we have :
$$big(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2}big)^2+big(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2}big)^2+big(frac{c^3}{13c^2+5a^2}big)^2geq frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{18^2}$$
Proof :
The inequality is equivalent to this :
$$big(frac{1}{13+5x^2}big)^2+x^2big(frac{1}{13+5y^2}big)^2+frac{1}{z^2}big(frac{1}{13+5z^2}big)^2geq frac{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}{18^2}$$
With :
$x=frac{b}{a}$
,
$y=frac{c}{b}$,
$z=frac{a}{c}$
If we put $f(x)=(frac{1}{13+5x})^2$ we have :
$$f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)geq f(1)+f(1)x^2+f(1)frac{1}{z^2}$$
Or :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(1)$$
Now we can apply Jensen's inequality to the function $f(x)$ with the appropriate weight to get :
$$frac{f(x^2)+x^2f(y^2)+frac{1}{z^2}f(z^2)}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}}geq f(frac{x^2+(xy)^2+frac{z^2}{z^2}}{1+x^2+frac{1}{z^2}})=f(1)$$
So it's proved because we have the condition $xyz=1$.
Now it remains to prove the following inequality :
$$sum_{cyc}(frac{a^3}{13a^2+5b^2})(frac{b^3}{13b^2+5c^2})geq frac{ab+bc+ca}{18^2}$$
I put it in a question because I can't solve it now .
answered Nov 23 at 7:49
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The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
add a comment |
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
The “it remains to prove” part is wrong, as the example $(a,b,c)=(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ from the question shows.
– Martin R
Nov 23 at 9:01
add a comment |
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Is the function $f : (a,b,c) rightarrow sumlimits_{cyc} frac{6a^3}{13a^2+5b^2} $ concave? Also, C-S = "Cauchy-Schwarz inequality"? Avoid this kind of unconventional abbreviation, please.
– Vincent
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See also math.stackexchange.com/questions/1775572/…
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@Santropedro There is the following known inequality $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{a^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{2}$. I think, it's just interesting, for which maximal value of $k$ the following inequality is still true. $sumlimits_{cyc}frac{a^3}{ka^2+b^2}geqfrac{a+b+c}{k+1}$.
– Michael Rozenberg
Apr 19 '17 at 17:28
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@Santropedro The value $,k=2.6,$ in the OP is pretty sharp. I found that $k=2.603279$ is already beyond: Then Michael's given $(0.785, 1.25, 1.861)$ violates the ineq..
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:24
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Further result obtained via random-based simulation: $(0.785, 1.2535, 1.873)$ doesn't satisfy the inequality if $,k=2.603262,$. Below that $k$-value I didn't detect a violation.
– Hanno
May 11 '17 at 18:50