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Train services on a railway branch line cost $ $ 1600$ per month to operate. Passengers consists of two cohorts (business passengers and retired holiday makers):
business passengers with aggregated demand $ Q_d=2000-10P$, where $ Q_d$ denotes the number of journeys made per month and $P$ is the price in cents charged for each journey,
while the retired holiday makers has demand function $Q_d=4000-50P$.



How much the railway authority charge if same price is charged for every one?



Answer:



If every passenger is charged equally ($P$ cents), then



$ (2000-10P) times text{P cents}+(4000-50P) times text{P cents}=$1600 \ Rightarrow 60P^2-6000P+160000=0 $ ($ because P text{cent}=frac{P}{100} text{dollar}$)



which give no solution of $P$.



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    The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
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  • @smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
    – arifamath
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  • If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
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  • This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:24















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Train services on a railway branch line cost $ $ 1600$ per month to operate. Passengers consists of two cohorts (business passengers and retired holiday makers):
business passengers with aggregated demand $ Q_d=2000-10P$, where $ Q_d$ denotes the number of journeys made per month and $P$ is the price in cents charged for each journey,
while the retired holiday makers has demand function $Q_d=4000-50P$.



How much the railway authority charge if same price is charged for every one?



Answer:



If every passenger is charged equally ($P$ cents), then



$ (2000-10P) times text{P cents}+(4000-50P) times text{P cents}=$1600 \ Rightarrow 60P^2-6000P+160000=0 $ ($ because P text{cent}=frac{P}{100} text{dollar}$)



which give no solution of $P$.



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    The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:07












  • @smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
    – arifamath
    Nov 24 at 20:12










  • If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:21










  • This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:24













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Train services on a railway branch line cost $ $ 1600$ per month to operate. Passengers consists of two cohorts (business passengers and retired holiday makers):
business passengers with aggregated demand $ Q_d=2000-10P$, where $ Q_d$ denotes the number of journeys made per month and $P$ is the price in cents charged for each journey,
while the retired holiday makers has demand function $Q_d=4000-50P$.



How much the railway authority charge if same price is charged for every one?



Answer:



If every passenger is charged equally ($P$ cents), then



$ (2000-10P) times text{P cents}+(4000-50P) times text{P cents}=$1600 \ Rightarrow 60P^2-6000P+160000=0 $ ($ because P text{cent}=frac{P}{100} text{dollar}$)



which give no solution of $P$.



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Train services on a railway branch line cost $ $ 1600$ per month to operate. Passengers consists of two cohorts (business passengers and retired holiday makers):
business passengers with aggregated demand $ Q_d=2000-10P$, where $ Q_d$ denotes the number of journeys made per month and $P$ is the price in cents charged for each journey,
while the retired holiday makers has demand function $Q_d=4000-50P$.



How much the railway authority charge if same price is charged for every one?



Answer:



If every passenger is charged equally ($P$ cents), then



$ (2000-10P) times text{P cents}+(4000-50P) times text{P cents}=$1600 \ Rightarrow 60P^2-6000P+160000=0 $ ($ because P text{cent}=frac{P}{100} text{dollar}$)



which give no solution of $P$.



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  • 3




    The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:07












  • @smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
    – arifamath
    Nov 24 at 20:12










  • If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:21










  • This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:24














  • 3




    The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:07












  • @smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
    – arifamath
    Nov 24 at 20:12










  • If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:21










  • This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
    – smcc
    Nov 24 at 20:24








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The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
– smcc
Nov 24 at 20:07






The cost 1600 is fixed (does not depend on the number of passengers), so it does not affect the profit-maximizing price (except in deciding whether to operate or not). Your attempt at an answer seems to be looking for where profit is zero, rather than where it is maximized.
– smcc
Nov 24 at 20:07














@smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
– arifamath
Nov 24 at 20:12




@smcc, I did not get you. Can you do a little bit more? If possible a short answer
– arifamath
Nov 24 at 20:12












If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
– Sauhard Sharma
Nov 24 at 20:21




If there is any positive profit, still the equation would come as unsolvable. Only with a minimum loss of $10000$ cents or $100$ dollars, will you come to an equation that is solvable and gives a result of $P = 50$ cents
– Sauhard Sharma
Nov 24 at 20:21












This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
– smcc
Nov 24 at 20:24




This is true, but it is possible that the rail service will want to serve only the business passengers (so the OP needs to check that case too).
– smcc
Nov 24 at 20:24










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Hint: The profit is equal to the price times the number of passengers minus the operating costs
$$
begin{align}
mathrm{Profit}&= Pcdot (Q_b(P) + Q_h(P)) - mathrm{Cost}\
&=P((2000-10;P)+(4000-50P))-160000\
&=-60 P^2+6000 P-160000
end{align}
$$

where $Q_b(P)$ is the monthly number of business passengers that will use the train if the price is $P$ cents per ticket and $Q_h(P)$ is the monthly number of holiday passengers.



Note that we do not want to find the value of P where the Profit is zero. We want to maximize the profit.



There are two standard ways to find the best price: take the derivative and set it to zero or use the fact that the vertex of the parabola $y=ax^2+bx+c$ is at the point $(-b/(2a), c-b^2/(4a))$.



enter image description here



PS: Once you have found the best price $P$, make sure that $Q_h(P)$ and $Q_b(P)$ are both positive. If they are not, then you will need to make some modifications. Also, you need to check whether the optimal $P$ yields a positive profit.



PPS: Thanks to Sauhard Sharma for pointing out the error in the first version of the answer.






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  • The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:40




















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Your attempt at an answer actually shows that it is not possible to get a positive profit when serving both passengers. To finish the work, you need to check it is not worthwhile to serve just the business passengers. Below I show how you would find the profit-maximizing price (which is what you would need to do if a positive profit were possible).





The market demand function $D$ is given by



$$D(P)=begin{cases}6000-60P&Pleq 80\ 2000-10P & 80<Pleq 200end{cases}$$



The price should be chosen to maximize profit. Here there are no variable costs, so if it is worthwhile to run the rail service, then maximizing profit amounts to maximizing revenue.



There are two possibilities: either revenue is maximized at a price $Pleq 80$ or at a price $P>80$.





When $Pleq 80$, revenue is



$$P(6000-60P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=100$, so the maximizer is $P=50leq 80$ where revenue is $$1500$





When $P>80$, revenue is



$$P(2000-10P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=200$, so the maximizer is at $P=100>80$, where revenue is $$1000$.





Since neither revenue is more than the fixed cost of operating, the train service should not operate.






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  • Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:42










  • Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
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Hint: The profit is equal to the price times the number of passengers minus the operating costs
$$
begin{align}
mathrm{Profit}&= Pcdot (Q_b(P) + Q_h(P)) - mathrm{Cost}\
&=P((2000-10;P)+(4000-50P))-160000\
&=-60 P^2+6000 P-160000
end{align}
$$

where $Q_b(P)$ is the monthly number of business passengers that will use the train if the price is $P$ cents per ticket and $Q_h(P)$ is the monthly number of holiday passengers.



Note that we do not want to find the value of P where the Profit is zero. We want to maximize the profit.



There are two standard ways to find the best price: take the derivative and set it to zero or use the fact that the vertex of the parabola $y=ax^2+bx+c$ is at the point $(-b/(2a), c-b^2/(4a))$.



enter image description here



PS: Once you have found the best price $P$, make sure that $Q_h(P)$ and $Q_b(P)$ are both positive. If they are not, then you will need to make some modifications. Also, you need to check whether the optimal $P$ yields a positive profit.



PPS: Thanks to Sauhard Sharma for pointing out the error in the first version of the answer.






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  • The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:40

















up vote
1
down vote



accepted










Hint: The profit is equal to the price times the number of passengers minus the operating costs
$$
begin{align}
mathrm{Profit}&= Pcdot (Q_b(P) + Q_h(P)) - mathrm{Cost}\
&=P((2000-10;P)+(4000-50P))-160000\
&=-60 P^2+6000 P-160000
end{align}
$$

where $Q_b(P)$ is the monthly number of business passengers that will use the train if the price is $P$ cents per ticket and $Q_h(P)$ is the monthly number of holiday passengers.



Note that we do not want to find the value of P where the Profit is zero. We want to maximize the profit.



There are two standard ways to find the best price: take the derivative and set it to zero or use the fact that the vertex of the parabola $y=ax^2+bx+c$ is at the point $(-b/(2a), c-b^2/(4a))$.



enter image description here



PS: Once you have found the best price $P$, make sure that $Q_h(P)$ and $Q_b(P)$ are both positive. If they are not, then you will need to make some modifications. Also, you need to check whether the optimal $P$ yields a positive profit.



PPS: Thanks to Sauhard Sharma for pointing out the error in the first version of the answer.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:40















up vote
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up vote
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Hint: The profit is equal to the price times the number of passengers minus the operating costs
$$
begin{align}
mathrm{Profit}&= Pcdot (Q_b(P) + Q_h(P)) - mathrm{Cost}\
&=P((2000-10;P)+(4000-50P))-160000\
&=-60 P^2+6000 P-160000
end{align}
$$

where $Q_b(P)$ is the monthly number of business passengers that will use the train if the price is $P$ cents per ticket and $Q_h(P)$ is the monthly number of holiday passengers.



Note that we do not want to find the value of P where the Profit is zero. We want to maximize the profit.



There are two standard ways to find the best price: take the derivative and set it to zero or use the fact that the vertex of the parabola $y=ax^2+bx+c$ is at the point $(-b/(2a), c-b^2/(4a))$.



enter image description here



PS: Once you have found the best price $P$, make sure that $Q_h(P)$ and $Q_b(P)$ are both positive. If they are not, then you will need to make some modifications. Also, you need to check whether the optimal $P$ yields a positive profit.



PPS: Thanks to Sauhard Sharma for pointing out the error in the first version of the answer.






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Hint: The profit is equal to the price times the number of passengers minus the operating costs
$$
begin{align}
mathrm{Profit}&= Pcdot (Q_b(P) + Q_h(P)) - mathrm{Cost}\
&=P((2000-10;P)+(4000-50P))-160000\
&=-60 P^2+6000 P-160000
end{align}
$$

where $Q_b(P)$ is the monthly number of business passengers that will use the train if the price is $P$ cents per ticket and $Q_h(P)$ is the monthly number of holiday passengers.



Note that we do not want to find the value of P where the Profit is zero. We want to maximize the profit.



There are two standard ways to find the best price: take the derivative and set it to zero or use the fact that the vertex of the parabola $y=ax^2+bx+c$ is at the point $(-b/(2a), c-b^2/(4a))$.



enter image description here



PS: Once you have found the best price $P$, make sure that $Q_h(P)$ and $Q_b(P)$ are both positive. If they are not, then you will need to make some modifications. Also, you need to check whether the optimal $P$ yields a positive profit.



PPS: Thanks to Sauhard Sharma for pointing out the error in the first version of the answer.







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  • The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:40




















  • The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
    – Sauhard Sharma
    Nov 24 at 20:40


















The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
– Sauhard Sharma
Nov 24 at 20:40






The $P$ in demand quantity is actually in cents. So either change $1600$ into $160000$ or the cost multiplier $P$ into $frac{P}{100}$
– Sauhard Sharma
Nov 24 at 20:40












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Your attempt at an answer actually shows that it is not possible to get a positive profit when serving both passengers. To finish the work, you need to check it is not worthwhile to serve just the business passengers. Below I show how you would find the profit-maximizing price (which is what you would need to do if a positive profit were possible).





The market demand function $D$ is given by



$$D(P)=begin{cases}6000-60P&Pleq 80\ 2000-10P & 80<Pleq 200end{cases}$$



The price should be chosen to maximize profit. Here there are no variable costs, so if it is worthwhile to run the rail service, then maximizing profit amounts to maximizing revenue.



There are two possibilities: either revenue is maximized at a price $Pleq 80$ or at a price $P>80$.





When $Pleq 80$, revenue is



$$P(6000-60P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=100$, so the maximizer is $P=50leq 80$ where revenue is $$1500$





When $P>80$, revenue is



$$P(2000-10P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=200$, so the maximizer is at $P=100>80$, where revenue is $$1000$.





Since neither revenue is more than the fixed cost of operating, the train service should not operate.






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  • Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:42










  • Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:45















up vote
1
down vote













Your attempt at an answer actually shows that it is not possible to get a positive profit when serving both passengers. To finish the work, you need to check it is not worthwhile to serve just the business passengers. Below I show how you would find the profit-maximizing price (which is what you would need to do if a positive profit were possible).





The market demand function $D$ is given by



$$D(P)=begin{cases}6000-60P&Pleq 80\ 2000-10P & 80<Pleq 200end{cases}$$



The price should be chosen to maximize profit. Here there are no variable costs, so if it is worthwhile to run the rail service, then maximizing profit amounts to maximizing revenue.



There are two possibilities: either revenue is maximized at a price $Pleq 80$ or at a price $P>80$.





When $Pleq 80$, revenue is



$$P(6000-60P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=100$, so the maximizer is $P=50leq 80$ where revenue is $$1500$





When $P>80$, revenue is



$$P(2000-10P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=200$, so the maximizer is at $P=100>80$, where revenue is $$1000$.





Since neither revenue is more than the fixed cost of operating, the train service should not operate.






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  • Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:42










  • Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:45













up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









Your attempt at an answer actually shows that it is not possible to get a positive profit when serving both passengers. To finish the work, you need to check it is not worthwhile to serve just the business passengers. Below I show how you would find the profit-maximizing price (which is what you would need to do if a positive profit were possible).





The market demand function $D$ is given by



$$D(P)=begin{cases}6000-60P&Pleq 80\ 2000-10P & 80<Pleq 200end{cases}$$



The price should be chosen to maximize profit. Here there are no variable costs, so if it is worthwhile to run the rail service, then maximizing profit amounts to maximizing revenue.



There are two possibilities: either revenue is maximized at a price $Pleq 80$ or at a price $P>80$.





When $Pleq 80$, revenue is



$$P(6000-60P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=100$, so the maximizer is $P=50leq 80$ where revenue is $$1500$





When $P>80$, revenue is



$$P(2000-10P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=200$, so the maximizer is at $P=100>80$, where revenue is $$1000$.





Since neither revenue is more than the fixed cost of operating, the train service should not operate.






share|cite|improve this answer














Your attempt at an answer actually shows that it is not possible to get a positive profit when serving both passengers. To finish the work, you need to check it is not worthwhile to serve just the business passengers. Below I show how you would find the profit-maximizing price (which is what you would need to do if a positive profit were possible).





The market demand function $D$ is given by



$$D(P)=begin{cases}6000-60P&Pleq 80\ 2000-10P & 80<Pleq 200end{cases}$$



The price should be chosen to maximize profit. Here there are no variable costs, so if it is worthwhile to run the rail service, then maximizing profit amounts to maximizing revenue.



There are two possibilities: either revenue is maximized at a price $Pleq 80$ or at a price $P>80$.





When $Pleq 80$, revenue is



$$P(6000-60P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=100$, so the maximizer is $P=50leq 80$ where revenue is $$1500$





When $P>80$, revenue is



$$P(2000-10P)$$



This is a quadratic with intercepts at $P=0$ and $P=200$, so the maximizer is at $P=100>80$, where revenue is $$1000$.





Since neither revenue is more than the fixed cost of operating, the train service should not operate.







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  • Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:42










  • Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:45


















  • Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:42










  • Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
    – irchans
    Nov 24 at 20:45
















Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
– irchans
Nov 24 at 20:42




Did I miss something? It seems to me that when $P=50$, $P(6000-60P)$ is $150,000. Otherwise, I like your more complete answer more than mine :)
– irchans
Nov 24 at 20:42












Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
– irchans
Nov 24 at 20:45




Yep, I missed "price in cents" !
– irchans
Nov 24 at 20:45


















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