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I am trying to understand the following statement:




Suppose $rho: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V)$ an irreducible representation of a finite group $G$. Then its contragredient representation $rho ^*: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V^*)$ is also an irreducible representation.




I have seen a site where they prove it using this:




Suppose $U$ is a $G$-subspace of $V^*$, i.e. $rho^*(g)(U) subseteq U$ for all $g in G$. Define $$W := {v in V | f(v)=0, forall f in U},.$$ Then, $W$ is a $G$-subspace of $V$.




PROOF:



We have $f rho(g)=rho^*(g^{-1})(f) =0$ over $W$ for all $f in U$, because $rho^*(g^{-1})(U) subseteq U$. So $rho(g)(W) subseteq W$.



Can anyone help me understanding this proof?



Thank you very much. Let me know any improvement of the post that can be done.










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    Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
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    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:52










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    That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
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    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:54






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    What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
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    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:56










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    Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
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    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:57






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    Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
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    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:58
















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I am trying to understand the following statement:




Suppose $rho: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V)$ an irreducible representation of a finite group $G$. Then its contragredient representation $rho ^*: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V^*)$ is also an irreducible representation.




I have seen a site where they prove it using this:




Suppose $U$ is a $G$-subspace of $V^*$, i.e. $rho^*(g)(U) subseteq U$ for all $g in G$. Define $$W := {v in V | f(v)=0, forall f in U},.$$ Then, $W$ is a $G$-subspace of $V$.




PROOF:



We have $f rho(g)=rho^*(g^{-1})(f) =0$ over $W$ for all $f in U$, because $rho^*(g^{-1})(U) subseteq U$. So $rho(g)(W) subseteq W$.



Can anyone help me understanding this proof?



Thank you very much. Let me know any improvement of the post that can be done.










share|cite|improve this question











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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:52










  • $begingroup$
    That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:54






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:56










  • $begingroup$
    Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:57






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:58














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$begingroup$


I am trying to understand the following statement:




Suppose $rho: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V)$ an irreducible representation of a finite group $G$. Then its contragredient representation $rho ^*: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V^*)$ is also an irreducible representation.




I have seen a site where they prove it using this:




Suppose $U$ is a $G$-subspace of $V^*$, i.e. $rho^*(g)(U) subseteq U$ for all $g in G$. Define $$W := {v in V | f(v)=0, forall f in U},.$$ Then, $W$ is a $G$-subspace of $V$.




PROOF:



We have $f rho(g)=rho^*(g^{-1})(f) =0$ over $W$ for all $f in U$, because $rho^*(g^{-1})(U) subseteq U$. So $rho(g)(W) subseteq W$.



Can anyone help me understanding this proof?



Thank you very much. Let me know any improvement of the post that can be done.










share|cite|improve this question











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I am trying to understand the following statement:




Suppose $rho: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V)$ an irreducible representation of a finite group $G$. Then its contragredient representation $rho ^*: G longrightarrow text{GL}_mathbb{C}(V^*)$ is also an irreducible representation.




I have seen a site where they prove it using this:




Suppose $U$ is a $G$-subspace of $V^*$, i.e. $rho^*(g)(U) subseteq U$ for all $g in G$. Define $$W := {v in V | f(v)=0, forall f in U},.$$ Then, $W$ is a $G$-subspace of $V$.




PROOF:



We have $f rho(g)=rho^*(g^{-1})(f) =0$ over $W$ for all $f in U$, because $rho^*(g^{-1})(U) subseteq U$. So $rho(g)(W) subseteq W$.



Can anyone help me understanding this proof?



Thank you very much. Let me know any improvement of the post that can be done.







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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:52










  • $begingroup$
    That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:54






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:56










  • $begingroup$
    Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:57






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:58














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:52










  • $begingroup$
    That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:54






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:56










  • $begingroup$
    Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
    $endgroup$
    – idriskameni
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:57






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Dec 10 '18 at 13:58








1




1




$begingroup$
Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:52




$begingroup$
Which part is the problem? The proof is very short and direct, so it is hard to see which part could be an issue.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:52












$begingroup$
That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
$endgroup$
– idriskameni
Dec 10 '18 at 13:54




$begingroup$
That is the problem for me. I do not see anything in the proof. If anyone can see anything... Idk.
$endgroup$
– idriskameni
Dec 10 '18 at 13:54




1




1




$begingroup$
What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:56




$begingroup$
What do you mean? The proof precisely includes those things needed for the statement, so I don't see how you don't see anything in the proof.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:56












$begingroup$
Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
$endgroup$
– idriskameni
Dec 10 '18 at 13:57




$begingroup$
Could you rewrite it and explain it step by step?
$endgroup$
– idriskameni
Dec 10 '18 at 13:57




1




1




$begingroup$
Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:58




$begingroup$
Not unless you can pinpoint which part is an issue. The proof is already very much step by step.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Dec 10 '18 at 13:58










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