The product of a paracompact space and a compact space is paracompact. (Why?)












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A paracompact space is a space in which every open cover has a locally finite refinement.



A compact space is a space in which every open cover has a finite subcover.



Why must the product of a compact and a paracompact space be paracompact?



I really have very little intuition about how to go about this question, so any hints or a proof would be greatly appreciated.










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    @Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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    @Arturo: Sorry, edited for clarity.
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    @Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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    @Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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    @Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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A paracompact space is a space in which every open cover has a locally finite refinement.



A compact space is a space in which every open cover has a finite subcover.



Why must the product of a compact and a paracompact space be paracompact?



I really have very little intuition about how to go about this question, so any hints or a proof would be greatly appreciated.










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    @Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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    @Arturo: Sorry, edited for clarity.
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    @Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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    @Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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    @Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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A paracompact space is a space in which every open cover has a locally finite refinement.



A compact space is a space in which every open cover has a finite subcover.



Why must the product of a compact and a paracompact space be paracompact?



I really have very little intuition about how to go about this question, so any hints or a proof would be greatly appreciated.










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A paracompact space is a space in which every open cover has a locally finite refinement.



A compact space is a space in which every open cover has a finite subcover.



Why must the product of a compact and a paracompact space be paracompact?



I really have very little intuition about how to go about this question, so any hints or a proof would be greatly appreciated.







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    @Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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    @Arturo: Sorry, edited for clarity.
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    @Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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    @Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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    @Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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    @Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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    @Arturo: Sorry, edited for clarity.
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    – Mark
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    @Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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    @Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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    @Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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@Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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@Mark: "two such spaces" is unclear; do you mean, as your title suggests, a product of a paracompact and a compact space? Or do you mean, as "two such spaces" suggests, the product of two paracompact, or of two compact spaces? Or all of the above?
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@Arturo: Sorry, edited for clarity.
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@Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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– Arturo Magidin
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@Mark: The result as stated is false, because you are asking the paracompact space to be Hausdorff but not the compact one. Take a product of a paracompact space with an indiscrete finite space; it will be non-Hausdorff, hence not paracompact by your definition. You should either ask for Hausdorff in both, or in neither (both are definitions that are used by some).
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@Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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@Arturo: Why would the product of a paracompact and indiscrete space be non-Hausdorff? (Intuitively it seems that the product of a Hausdorff space and any other space should be Hausdorff)
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@Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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@Mark: Take the underlying sets of $X$ and $Y$ to be ${x,y}$, give $X$ the discrete topology, $Y$ the indiscrete topology. The open sets of $Xtimes Y$ are $emptyset$, ${(x,x),(x,y)}$, ${(y,x), (y,y)}$, and $Xtimes Y$. What are the disjoint neighborhoods of $(x,x)$ and $(x,y)$? The error in your intuition is that $(a,b)neq(c,d)$ does not imply $aneq c$.
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I think Trevor is right. Here are the details (this is an adaptation of the classical proof that the product of two compact spaces is a compact space that you can find in Munkres, for instance).



Let $X$ be a paracompact space, $Y$ a compact one and ${cal U}$ an open cover of $X times Y$.



For any $x in X$, the slice $left{ x right} times Y$ is a compact space and ${cal U}$ an open cover of it (as a subspace). So it admits a finite subcover $U_{x,1}, dots , U_{x,n_x} in {cal U}$. Let us call $N_x = U_{x,1} cup dots cup U_{x,n_x}$ their union.



So $N_x$ is an open set that contains the slice $left{ x right} times Y$. Because of the tube lemma, there exists an open set $W_x subset X$ such that



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left{ x right} times Y quad subset quad W_x times Y quad subset quad N_x .
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Now, those $W_x$ form an open cover ${cal W}$ of $X$. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement ${cal W}' = left{ W_{x_i}right}$, $iin I$ for some index set $I$.



Consider the following subcover of ${cal U}$:



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{cal U}' = left{ U_{x_i,j}right} ,
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with $iin I$ and $j = 1, dots , n_{x_i}$.



Let us show that ${cal U}'$ is a locally finite subcover of ${cal U}$: take any point $(x,y) in X times Y$. By hypothesis, there is a neighborhood $V subset X$ of $x$ such that $V$ interesects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal W}'$. Then $Vtimes Y$ is a neighborhood of $(x,y)$ that intersects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal U}'$.






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    You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
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    Actually, I get it now, thanks!
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    Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
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    Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
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The key idea is indeed to use the "tube lemma", as d.t. did in his solution, but there is a small gap in his solution.



(This proof does not assume prior knowledge of tube lemma)



Let $X$ be paracompact and $Y$ be compact. Let $mathcal{A}$ be an open cover of $Xtimes Y$.



(Tube lemma part) First fix $xin X$, and for each $y in Y$, find $Ainmathcal{A}$ and basis element $Utimes V$ such that $(x,y)in Utimes Vsubseteq A$. As $y$ ranges in $Y$, these various $Utimes V$ cover ${x}times Y$, which is compact. Thus there exists finitely many $U_1times V_1 subseteq A_1,dots,U_ntimes V_nsubseteq A_n$ that cover ${x}times Y$. Let $U_x = U_1cap dots cap U_n$. For later use, let $mathcal{A}_x={A_1,...,A_n}$.



Now, ${U_x}_{xin X}$ is an open cover of $X$. Using paracompactness, there is an locally finite open refinement $mathcal{B}$ that covers $X$. For purpose of notation, suppose $B_i,iin I$ are the elements of $mathcal{B}$. Using the refinement property, for each $iin I$, pick $x_iin X$ such that $B_isubseteq U_{x_i}$.



Consider the open refinement $mathcal{C}$ of $mathcal{A}$ given by



$$mathcal{C_{x_i}}:={Acap (B_itimes Y)}_{Ain mathcal{A}_{x_i}},quad mathcal{C}:=bigcup_{iin I}mathcal{C}_{x_i}$$



To prove that this is a cover, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First $x$ is in some $B_i$. Since $mathcal{C}_{x_i}$ covers $B_i times Y$, $(x,y)$ is covered by $mathcal{C}$.



To prove that it is locally finite, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First there exists an open neighbourhood $Usubseteq X$ of $x$ that intersects only finitely many elements of $mathcal{B}$, say $B_1,...,B_m$. Then $Utimes Y$ is the desired neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that only intersects finitely many elements of $mathcal{C}$ as it can only intersect elements from $mathcal{C}_{x_1},...,mathcal{C}_{x_m}$, each of which is a finite collection.






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    You could prove that the product of a paracompact space and a compact space is paracompact by using the tube lemma.






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      I think Trevor is right. Here are the details (this is an adaptation of the classical proof that the product of two compact spaces is a compact space that you can find in Munkres, for instance).



      Let $X$ be a paracompact space, $Y$ a compact one and ${cal U}$ an open cover of $X times Y$.



      For any $x in X$, the slice $left{ x right} times Y$ is a compact space and ${cal U}$ an open cover of it (as a subspace). So it admits a finite subcover $U_{x,1}, dots , U_{x,n_x} in {cal U}$. Let us call $N_x = U_{x,1} cup dots cup U_{x,n_x}$ their union.



      So $N_x$ is an open set that contains the slice $left{ x right} times Y$. Because of the tube lemma, there exists an open set $W_x subset X$ such that



      $$
      left{ x right} times Y quad subset quad W_x times Y quad subset quad N_x .
      $$



      Now, those $W_x$ form an open cover ${cal W}$ of $X$. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement ${cal W}' = left{ W_{x_i}right}$, $iin I$ for some index set $I$.



      Consider the following subcover of ${cal U}$:



      $$
      {cal U}' = left{ U_{x_i,j}right} ,
      $$



      with $iin I$ and $j = 1, dots , n_{x_i}$.



      Let us show that ${cal U}'$ is a locally finite subcover of ${cal U}$: take any point $(x,y) in X times Y$. By hypothesis, there is a neighborhood $V subset X$ of $x$ such that $V$ interesects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal W}'$. Then $Vtimes Y$ is a neighborhood of $(x,y)$ that intersects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal U}'$.






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        You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
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        Actually, I get it now, thanks!
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        Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
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        Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
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        The fix I proposed also misses a step, so I decided I should write up a solution instead
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      I think Trevor is right. Here are the details (this is an adaptation of the classical proof that the product of two compact spaces is a compact space that you can find in Munkres, for instance).



      Let $X$ be a paracompact space, $Y$ a compact one and ${cal U}$ an open cover of $X times Y$.



      For any $x in X$, the slice $left{ x right} times Y$ is a compact space and ${cal U}$ an open cover of it (as a subspace). So it admits a finite subcover $U_{x,1}, dots , U_{x,n_x} in {cal U}$. Let us call $N_x = U_{x,1} cup dots cup U_{x,n_x}$ their union.



      So $N_x$ is an open set that contains the slice $left{ x right} times Y$. Because of the tube lemma, there exists an open set $W_x subset X$ such that



      $$
      left{ x right} times Y quad subset quad W_x times Y quad subset quad N_x .
      $$



      Now, those $W_x$ form an open cover ${cal W}$ of $X$. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement ${cal W}' = left{ W_{x_i}right}$, $iin I$ for some index set $I$.



      Consider the following subcover of ${cal U}$:



      $$
      {cal U}' = left{ U_{x_i,j}right} ,
      $$



      with $iin I$ and $j = 1, dots , n_{x_i}$.



      Let us show that ${cal U}'$ is a locally finite subcover of ${cal U}$: take any point $(x,y) in X times Y$. By hypothesis, there is a neighborhood $V subset X$ of $x$ such that $V$ interesects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal W}'$. Then $Vtimes Y$ is a neighborhood of $(x,y)$ that intersects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal U}'$.






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        You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
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        Actually, I get it now, thanks!
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        Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
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        Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
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      I think Trevor is right. Here are the details (this is an adaptation of the classical proof that the product of two compact spaces is a compact space that you can find in Munkres, for instance).



      Let $X$ be a paracompact space, $Y$ a compact one and ${cal U}$ an open cover of $X times Y$.



      For any $x in X$, the slice $left{ x right} times Y$ is a compact space and ${cal U}$ an open cover of it (as a subspace). So it admits a finite subcover $U_{x,1}, dots , U_{x,n_x} in {cal U}$. Let us call $N_x = U_{x,1} cup dots cup U_{x,n_x}$ their union.



      So $N_x$ is an open set that contains the slice $left{ x right} times Y$. Because of the tube lemma, there exists an open set $W_x subset X$ such that



      $$
      left{ x right} times Y quad subset quad W_x times Y quad subset quad N_x .
      $$



      Now, those $W_x$ form an open cover ${cal W}$ of $X$. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement ${cal W}' = left{ W_{x_i}right}$, $iin I$ for some index set $I$.



      Consider the following subcover of ${cal U}$:



      $$
      {cal U}' = left{ U_{x_i,j}right} ,
      $$



      with $iin I$ and $j = 1, dots , n_{x_i}$.



      Let us show that ${cal U}'$ is a locally finite subcover of ${cal U}$: take any point $(x,y) in X times Y$. By hypothesis, there is a neighborhood $V subset X$ of $x$ such that $V$ interesects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal W}'$. Then $Vtimes Y$ is a neighborhood of $(x,y)$ that intersects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal U}'$.






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      I think Trevor is right. Here are the details (this is an adaptation of the classical proof that the product of two compact spaces is a compact space that you can find in Munkres, for instance).



      Let $X$ be a paracompact space, $Y$ a compact one and ${cal U}$ an open cover of $X times Y$.



      For any $x in X$, the slice $left{ x right} times Y$ is a compact space and ${cal U}$ an open cover of it (as a subspace). So it admits a finite subcover $U_{x,1}, dots , U_{x,n_x} in {cal U}$. Let us call $N_x = U_{x,1} cup dots cup U_{x,n_x}$ their union.



      So $N_x$ is an open set that contains the slice $left{ x right} times Y$. Because of the tube lemma, there exists an open set $W_x subset X$ such that



      $$
      left{ x right} times Y quad subset quad W_x times Y quad subset quad N_x .
      $$



      Now, those $W_x$ form an open cover ${cal W}$ of $X$. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement ${cal W}' = left{ W_{x_i}right}$, $iin I$ for some index set $I$.



      Consider the following subcover of ${cal U}$:



      $$
      {cal U}' = left{ U_{x_i,j}right} ,
      $$



      with $iin I$ and $j = 1, dots , n_{x_i}$.



      Let us show that ${cal U}'$ is a locally finite subcover of ${cal U}$: take any point $(x,y) in X times Y$. By hypothesis, there is a neighborhood $V subset X$ of $x$ such that $V$ interesects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal W}'$. Then $Vtimes Y$ is a neighborhood of $(x,y)$ that intersects only finitely many of the sets of ${cal U}'$.







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        You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
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        Actually, I get it now, thanks!
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        Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
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        Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
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        – polynomial_donut
        Jun 1 '17 at 21:15






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        The fix I proposed also misses a step, so I decided I should write up a solution instead
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      • $begingroup$
        You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
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        – Mark
        Jan 3 '11 at 16:24










      • $begingroup$
        Actually, I get it now, thanks!
        $endgroup$
        – Mark
        Jan 4 '11 at 1:16






      • 1




        $begingroup$
        Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
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        – polynomial_donut
        Jun 1 '17 at 19:30








      • 1




        $begingroup$
        Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
        $endgroup$
        – polynomial_donut
        Jun 1 '17 at 21:15






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        The fix I proposed also misses a step, so I decided I should write up a solution instead
        $endgroup$
        – suncup224
        Sep 30 '17 at 3:36
















      $begingroup$
      You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
      $endgroup$
      – Mark
      Jan 3 '11 at 16:24




      $begingroup$
      You have the step: Now, those Wx form an open cover W of X. By hypothesis, there is a locally finite refinement W′={Wxi} Here, it seems that you are assuming a finite subcover, not a locally finite refinement. Also, for the last step, what if the set V contains infinitely many points? Then it seems it contains infinitely many slices of the form {x}*Y, and each slice intersects at least one neighborhood in your refinement.
      $endgroup$
      – Mark
      Jan 3 '11 at 16:24












      $begingroup$
      Actually, I get it now, thanks!
      $endgroup$
      – Mark
      Jan 4 '11 at 1:16




      $begingroup$
      Actually, I get it now, thanks!
      $endgroup$
      – Mark
      Jan 4 '11 at 1:16




      1




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      $begingroup$
      Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
      $endgroup$
      – polynomial_donut
      Jun 1 '17 at 19:30






      $begingroup$
      Are you sure the last sentence is correct? I fail to see how this holds true (might completely be on me, I'd just like to understand, then): From what I understand all we can conclude is that $V times Y$ is contained in finitely many of the sets of $mathcal{U}'$; however, I don't get how we can assume that other elements of $mathcal{U}'$ have empty intersection with $V times Y$. I'm thinking of $W_x subsetneq N_x,,;x in X$...
      $endgroup$
      – polynomial_donut
      Jun 1 '17 at 19:30






      1




      1




      $begingroup$
      Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
      $endgroup$
      – polynomial_donut
      Jun 1 '17 at 21:15




      $begingroup$
      Just found a proof at topospaces.subwiki.org/wiki/… ; there an important last step is included, which I would say is missing here. However, they are a bit sloppy in point 5, as they miss to state explicitly that they are only looking at finitely many intersections for each $P$.
      $endgroup$
      – polynomial_donut
      Jun 1 '17 at 21:15




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      The fix I proposed also misses a step, so I decided I should write up a solution instead
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      – suncup224
      Sep 30 '17 at 3:36




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      The fix I proposed also misses a step, so I decided I should write up a solution instead
      $endgroup$
      – suncup224
      Sep 30 '17 at 3:36











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      The key idea is indeed to use the "tube lemma", as d.t. did in his solution, but there is a small gap in his solution.



      (This proof does not assume prior knowledge of tube lemma)



      Let $X$ be paracompact and $Y$ be compact. Let $mathcal{A}$ be an open cover of $Xtimes Y$.



      (Tube lemma part) First fix $xin X$, and for each $y in Y$, find $Ainmathcal{A}$ and basis element $Utimes V$ such that $(x,y)in Utimes Vsubseteq A$. As $y$ ranges in $Y$, these various $Utimes V$ cover ${x}times Y$, which is compact. Thus there exists finitely many $U_1times V_1 subseteq A_1,dots,U_ntimes V_nsubseteq A_n$ that cover ${x}times Y$. Let $U_x = U_1cap dots cap U_n$. For later use, let $mathcal{A}_x={A_1,...,A_n}$.



      Now, ${U_x}_{xin X}$ is an open cover of $X$. Using paracompactness, there is an locally finite open refinement $mathcal{B}$ that covers $X$. For purpose of notation, suppose $B_i,iin I$ are the elements of $mathcal{B}$. Using the refinement property, for each $iin I$, pick $x_iin X$ such that $B_isubseteq U_{x_i}$.



      Consider the open refinement $mathcal{C}$ of $mathcal{A}$ given by



      $$mathcal{C_{x_i}}:={Acap (B_itimes Y)}_{Ain mathcal{A}_{x_i}},quad mathcal{C}:=bigcup_{iin I}mathcal{C}_{x_i}$$



      To prove that this is a cover, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First $x$ is in some $B_i$. Since $mathcal{C}_{x_i}$ covers $B_i times Y$, $(x,y)$ is covered by $mathcal{C}$.



      To prove that it is locally finite, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First there exists an open neighbourhood $Usubseteq X$ of $x$ that intersects only finitely many elements of $mathcal{B}$, say $B_1,...,B_m$. Then $Utimes Y$ is the desired neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that only intersects finitely many elements of $mathcal{C}$ as it can only intersect elements from $mathcal{C}_{x_1},...,mathcal{C}_{x_m}$, each of which is a finite collection.






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        The key idea is indeed to use the "tube lemma", as d.t. did in his solution, but there is a small gap in his solution.



        (This proof does not assume prior knowledge of tube lemma)



        Let $X$ be paracompact and $Y$ be compact. Let $mathcal{A}$ be an open cover of $Xtimes Y$.



        (Tube lemma part) First fix $xin X$, and for each $y in Y$, find $Ainmathcal{A}$ and basis element $Utimes V$ such that $(x,y)in Utimes Vsubseteq A$. As $y$ ranges in $Y$, these various $Utimes V$ cover ${x}times Y$, which is compact. Thus there exists finitely many $U_1times V_1 subseteq A_1,dots,U_ntimes V_nsubseteq A_n$ that cover ${x}times Y$. Let $U_x = U_1cap dots cap U_n$. For later use, let $mathcal{A}_x={A_1,...,A_n}$.



        Now, ${U_x}_{xin X}$ is an open cover of $X$. Using paracompactness, there is an locally finite open refinement $mathcal{B}$ that covers $X$. For purpose of notation, suppose $B_i,iin I$ are the elements of $mathcal{B}$. Using the refinement property, for each $iin I$, pick $x_iin X$ such that $B_isubseteq U_{x_i}$.



        Consider the open refinement $mathcal{C}$ of $mathcal{A}$ given by



        $$mathcal{C_{x_i}}:={Acap (B_itimes Y)}_{Ain mathcal{A}_{x_i}},quad mathcal{C}:=bigcup_{iin I}mathcal{C}_{x_i}$$



        To prove that this is a cover, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First $x$ is in some $B_i$. Since $mathcal{C}_{x_i}$ covers $B_i times Y$, $(x,y)$ is covered by $mathcal{C}$.



        To prove that it is locally finite, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First there exists an open neighbourhood $Usubseteq X$ of $x$ that intersects only finitely many elements of $mathcal{B}$, say $B_1,...,B_m$. Then $Utimes Y$ is the desired neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that only intersects finitely many elements of $mathcal{C}$ as it can only intersect elements from $mathcal{C}_{x_1},...,mathcal{C}_{x_m}$, each of which is a finite collection.






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          The key idea is indeed to use the "tube lemma", as d.t. did in his solution, but there is a small gap in his solution.



          (This proof does not assume prior knowledge of tube lemma)



          Let $X$ be paracompact and $Y$ be compact. Let $mathcal{A}$ be an open cover of $Xtimes Y$.



          (Tube lemma part) First fix $xin X$, and for each $y in Y$, find $Ainmathcal{A}$ and basis element $Utimes V$ such that $(x,y)in Utimes Vsubseteq A$. As $y$ ranges in $Y$, these various $Utimes V$ cover ${x}times Y$, which is compact. Thus there exists finitely many $U_1times V_1 subseteq A_1,dots,U_ntimes V_nsubseteq A_n$ that cover ${x}times Y$. Let $U_x = U_1cap dots cap U_n$. For later use, let $mathcal{A}_x={A_1,...,A_n}$.



          Now, ${U_x}_{xin X}$ is an open cover of $X$. Using paracompactness, there is an locally finite open refinement $mathcal{B}$ that covers $X$. For purpose of notation, suppose $B_i,iin I$ are the elements of $mathcal{B}$. Using the refinement property, for each $iin I$, pick $x_iin X$ such that $B_isubseteq U_{x_i}$.



          Consider the open refinement $mathcal{C}$ of $mathcal{A}$ given by



          $$mathcal{C_{x_i}}:={Acap (B_itimes Y)}_{Ain mathcal{A}_{x_i}},quad mathcal{C}:=bigcup_{iin I}mathcal{C}_{x_i}$$



          To prove that this is a cover, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First $x$ is in some $B_i$. Since $mathcal{C}_{x_i}$ covers $B_i times Y$, $(x,y)$ is covered by $mathcal{C}$.



          To prove that it is locally finite, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First there exists an open neighbourhood $Usubseteq X$ of $x$ that intersects only finitely many elements of $mathcal{B}$, say $B_1,...,B_m$. Then $Utimes Y$ is the desired neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that only intersects finitely many elements of $mathcal{C}$ as it can only intersect elements from $mathcal{C}_{x_1},...,mathcal{C}_{x_m}$, each of which is a finite collection.






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          The key idea is indeed to use the "tube lemma", as d.t. did in his solution, but there is a small gap in his solution.



          (This proof does not assume prior knowledge of tube lemma)



          Let $X$ be paracompact and $Y$ be compact. Let $mathcal{A}$ be an open cover of $Xtimes Y$.



          (Tube lemma part) First fix $xin X$, and for each $y in Y$, find $Ainmathcal{A}$ and basis element $Utimes V$ such that $(x,y)in Utimes Vsubseteq A$. As $y$ ranges in $Y$, these various $Utimes V$ cover ${x}times Y$, which is compact. Thus there exists finitely many $U_1times V_1 subseteq A_1,dots,U_ntimes V_nsubseteq A_n$ that cover ${x}times Y$. Let $U_x = U_1cap dots cap U_n$. For later use, let $mathcal{A}_x={A_1,...,A_n}$.



          Now, ${U_x}_{xin X}$ is an open cover of $X$. Using paracompactness, there is an locally finite open refinement $mathcal{B}$ that covers $X$. For purpose of notation, suppose $B_i,iin I$ are the elements of $mathcal{B}$. Using the refinement property, for each $iin I$, pick $x_iin X$ such that $B_isubseteq U_{x_i}$.



          Consider the open refinement $mathcal{C}$ of $mathcal{A}$ given by



          $$mathcal{C_{x_i}}:={Acap (B_itimes Y)}_{Ain mathcal{A}_{x_i}},quad mathcal{C}:=bigcup_{iin I}mathcal{C}_{x_i}$$



          To prove that this is a cover, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First $x$ is in some $B_i$. Since $mathcal{C}_{x_i}$ covers $B_i times Y$, $(x,y)$ is covered by $mathcal{C}$.



          To prove that it is locally finite, consider any $(x,y)in Xtimes Y$. First there exists an open neighbourhood $Usubseteq X$ of $x$ that intersects only finitely many elements of $mathcal{B}$, say $B_1,...,B_m$. Then $Utimes Y$ is the desired neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that only intersects finitely many elements of $mathcal{C}$ as it can only intersect elements from $mathcal{C}_{x_1},...,mathcal{C}_{x_m}$, each of which is a finite collection.







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              You could prove that the product of a paracompact space and a compact space is paracompact by using the tube lemma.






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                  You could prove that the product of a paracompact space and a compact space is paracompact by using the tube lemma.






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                  You could prove that the product of a paracompact space and a compact space is paracompact by using the tube lemma.







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