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How can I intutively understand the formula for getting new coordinate of point P after rotation of axes which was P(x,y) with respect to the old axes?
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Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
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Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
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Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
– Henry
Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
– pcforgeek
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Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
– Henry
Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
– pcforgeek
Jul 5 '15 at 14:07
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Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
– Henry
Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
– Henry
Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
– pcforgeek
Jul 5 '15 at 14:07
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
– pcforgeek
Jul 5 '15 at 14:07
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Consider the following figure

Here the red coordinate system is rotated by $alpha$.
We have for the black coordinates $$x=Rcos(beta),y=Rsin(beta)$$,
Also, for the red coordinates we have
$$x'=Rcos(gamma), y'=Rsin(gamma).$$
Notice that $gamma=beta-alpha$ and use the adequate trig formula:
$$x'=Rcos(beta-alpha)=R(cos(alpha)cos(beta)+sin(alpha)sin(beta))=xcos(alpha)+ysin(alpha)$$
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Consider initially that the vectors are written in the canonical base, so rotating this vector is equivalent to rotating the canonical base and then seeing the coordinates of that vector in this new base, looking at the figure that rotates the base the vectors of the canonical base in a theta angle, we can see that
$$e'_1=(cos(theta),sen(theta))$$ and $$e'_2=(-sen(theta),cos(theta))$$
then the transformation is the matrix
$$ M= left[
begin{array}{cc}
cos(theta) & sen(theta)\
-sen(theta) & cos(theta)\
end{array}
right]$$
so after rotating the vector $$(x,y)$$ we will have
$$(xcos(theta)+ysen(theta),-xsen(theta)+ycos(theta))$$
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Let old point be at $1$ and new point be at $2$ both in first quadrant. Let the rotation angle be a small $theta$ counter-clockwise.
$$x_{new} =x_{old} , cos ,theta -y_{old} ,sin ,theta tag1 $$
$$y_{new} = x_{old} ,sintheta + y _{old}costheta tag2 $$
It is noticed that
as far as new $x$ is concered there is a minus sign at right hand side and its x-coordinate got reduced.
as far as new $y$ is concered there is a plus sign at right hand side and its y-coordinate got increased.

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Assume the ray to the point (x,y) from the origin makes an angle of $alpha$ anti-clockwise with +ve x-axis.
Then (x,y) = (r cos$alpha$,r sin$alpha$) where $r = sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
If the point is rotated by an angle of $theta$ anti-clockwise around the origin, then the point makes an angle of $alpha+theta$ with the +ve x-axis. Since the distance of the point from the origin doesn't change due to the rotation around it, the new co-ordinates will be (X,Y) = (r cos$(alpha+theta)$,r sin$(alpha+theta)$).
Using basic trigonometric identities,
(X,Y)=$(r cos(alpha+theta),r sin(alpha+theta)bigr)$
=$(r cosalpha*costheta-r sinalpha*sintheta, r cosalpha*sintheta-r sinalpha*costheta)$ = $(x costheta-y sintheta,x sintheta+y costheta)$
P.S: Can a kind soul format my answer better (Not familiar with MathJax). Thanks.
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Consider the following figure

Here the red coordinate system is rotated by $alpha$.
We have for the black coordinates $$x=Rcos(beta),y=Rsin(beta)$$,
Also, for the red coordinates we have
$$x'=Rcos(gamma), y'=Rsin(gamma).$$
Notice that $gamma=beta-alpha$ and use the adequate trig formula:
$$x'=Rcos(beta-alpha)=R(cos(alpha)cos(beta)+sin(alpha)sin(beta))=xcos(alpha)+ysin(alpha)$$
and
...
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Consider the following figure

Here the red coordinate system is rotated by $alpha$.
We have for the black coordinates $$x=Rcos(beta),y=Rsin(beta)$$,
Also, for the red coordinates we have
$$x'=Rcos(gamma), y'=Rsin(gamma).$$
Notice that $gamma=beta-alpha$ and use the adequate trig formula:
$$x'=Rcos(beta-alpha)=R(cos(alpha)cos(beta)+sin(alpha)sin(beta))=xcos(alpha)+ysin(alpha)$$
and
...
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Consider the following figure

Here the red coordinate system is rotated by $alpha$.
We have for the black coordinates $$x=Rcos(beta),y=Rsin(beta)$$,
Also, for the red coordinates we have
$$x'=Rcos(gamma), y'=Rsin(gamma).$$
Notice that $gamma=beta-alpha$ and use the adequate trig formula:
$$x'=Rcos(beta-alpha)=R(cos(alpha)cos(beta)+sin(alpha)sin(beta))=xcos(alpha)+ysin(alpha)$$
and
...
Consider the following figure

Here the red coordinate system is rotated by $alpha$.
We have for the black coordinates $$x=Rcos(beta),y=Rsin(beta)$$,
Also, for the red coordinates we have
$$x'=Rcos(gamma), y'=Rsin(gamma).$$
Notice that $gamma=beta-alpha$ and use the adequate trig formula:
$$x'=Rcos(beta-alpha)=R(cos(alpha)cos(beta)+sin(alpha)sin(beta))=xcos(alpha)+ysin(alpha)$$
and
...
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answered Jul 5 '15 at 14:34
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Consider initially that the vectors are written in the canonical base, so rotating this vector is equivalent to rotating the canonical base and then seeing the coordinates of that vector in this new base, looking at the figure that rotates the base the vectors of the canonical base in a theta angle, we can see that
$$e'_1=(cos(theta),sen(theta))$$ and $$e'_2=(-sen(theta),cos(theta))$$
then the transformation is the matrix
$$ M= left[
begin{array}{cc}
cos(theta) & sen(theta)\
-sen(theta) & cos(theta)\
end{array}
right]$$
so after rotating the vector $$(x,y)$$ we will have
$$(xcos(theta)+ysen(theta),-xsen(theta)+ycos(theta))$$
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Consider initially that the vectors are written in the canonical base, so rotating this vector is equivalent to rotating the canonical base and then seeing the coordinates of that vector in this new base, looking at the figure that rotates the base the vectors of the canonical base in a theta angle, we can see that
$$e'_1=(cos(theta),sen(theta))$$ and $$e'_2=(-sen(theta),cos(theta))$$
then the transformation is the matrix
$$ M= left[
begin{array}{cc}
cos(theta) & sen(theta)\
-sen(theta) & cos(theta)\
end{array}
right]$$
so after rotating the vector $$(x,y)$$ we will have
$$(xcos(theta)+ysen(theta),-xsen(theta)+ycos(theta))$$
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Consider initially that the vectors are written in the canonical base, so rotating this vector is equivalent to rotating the canonical base and then seeing the coordinates of that vector in this new base, looking at the figure that rotates the base the vectors of the canonical base in a theta angle, we can see that
$$e'_1=(cos(theta),sen(theta))$$ and $$e'_2=(-sen(theta),cos(theta))$$
then the transformation is the matrix
$$ M= left[
begin{array}{cc}
cos(theta) & sen(theta)\
-sen(theta) & cos(theta)\
end{array}
right]$$
so after rotating the vector $$(x,y)$$ we will have
$$(xcos(theta)+ysen(theta),-xsen(theta)+ycos(theta))$$

Consider initially that the vectors are written in the canonical base, so rotating this vector is equivalent to rotating the canonical base and then seeing the coordinates of that vector in this new base, looking at the figure that rotates the base the vectors of the canonical base in a theta angle, we can see that
$$e'_1=(cos(theta),sen(theta))$$ and $$e'_2=(-sen(theta),cos(theta))$$
then the transformation is the matrix
$$ M= left[
begin{array}{cc}
cos(theta) & sen(theta)\
-sen(theta) & cos(theta)\
end{array}
right]$$
so after rotating the vector $$(x,y)$$ we will have
$$(xcos(theta)+ysen(theta),-xsen(theta)+ycos(theta))$$
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answered May 15 at 2:43
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Let old point be at $1$ and new point be at $2$ both in first quadrant. Let the rotation angle be a small $theta$ counter-clockwise.
$$x_{new} =x_{old} , cos ,theta -y_{old} ,sin ,theta tag1 $$
$$y_{new} = x_{old} ,sintheta + y _{old}costheta tag2 $$
It is noticed that
as far as new $x$ is concered there is a minus sign at right hand side and its x-coordinate got reduced.
as far as new $y$ is concered there is a plus sign at right hand side and its y-coordinate got increased.

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Let old point be at $1$ and new point be at $2$ both in first quadrant. Let the rotation angle be a small $theta$ counter-clockwise.
$$x_{new} =x_{old} , cos ,theta -y_{old} ,sin ,theta tag1 $$
$$y_{new} = x_{old} ,sintheta + y _{old}costheta tag2 $$
It is noticed that
as far as new $x$ is concered there is a minus sign at right hand side and its x-coordinate got reduced.
as far as new $y$ is concered there is a plus sign at right hand side and its y-coordinate got increased.

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Let old point be at $1$ and new point be at $2$ both in first quadrant. Let the rotation angle be a small $theta$ counter-clockwise.
$$x_{new} =x_{old} , cos ,theta -y_{old} ,sin ,theta tag1 $$
$$y_{new} = x_{old} ,sintheta + y _{old}costheta tag2 $$
It is noticed that
as far as new $x$ is concered there is a minus sign at right hand side and its x-coordinate got reduced.
as far as new $y$ is concered there is a plus sign at right hand side and its y-coordinate got increased.

Let old point be at $1$ and new point be at $2$ both in first quadrant. Let the rotation angle be a small $theta$ counter-clockwise.
$$x_{new} =x_{old} , cos ,theta -y_{old} ,sin ,theta tag1 $$
$$y_{new} = x_{old} ,sintheta + y _{old}costheta tag2 $$
It is noticed that
as far as new $x$ is concered there is a minus sign at right hand side and its x-coordinate got reduced.
as far as new $y$ is concered there is a plus sign at right hand side and its y-coordinate got increased.

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Assume the ray to the point (x,y) from the origin makes an angle of $alpha$ anti-clockwise with +ve x-axis.
Then (x,y) = (r cos$alpha$,r sin$alpha$) where $r = sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
If the point is rotated by an angle of $theta$ anti-clockwise around the origin, then the point makes an angle of $alpha+theta$ with the +ve x-axis. Since the distance of the point from the origin doesn't change due to the rotation around it, the new co-ordinates will be (X,Y) = (r cos$(alpha+theta)$,r sin$(alpha+theta)$).
Using basic trigonometric identities,
(X,Y)=$(r cos(alpha+theta),r sin(alpha+theta)bigr)$
=$(r cosalpha*costheta-r sinalpha*sintheta, r cosalpha*sintheta-r sinalpha*costheta)$ = $(x costheta-y sintheta,x sintheta+y costheta)$
P.S: Can a kind soul format my answer better (Not familiar with MathJax). Thanks.
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Assume the ray to the point (x,y) from the origin makes an angle of $alpha$ anti-clockwise with +ve x-axis.
Then (x,y) = (r cos$alpha$,r sin$alpha$) where $r = sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
If the point is rotated by an angle of $theta$ anti-clockwise around the origin, then the point makes an angle of $alpha+theta$ with the +ve x-axis. Since the distance of the point from the origin doesn't change due to the rotation around it, the new co-ordinates will be (X,Y) = (r cos$(alpha+theta)$,r sin$(alpha+theta)$).
Using basic trigonometric identities,
(X,Y)=$(r cos(alpha+theta),r sin(alpha+theta)bigr)$
=$(r cosalpha*costheta-r sinalpha*sintheta, r cosalpha*sintheta-r sinalpha*costheta)$ = $(x costheta-y sintheta,x sintheta+y costheta)$
P.S: Can a kind soul format my answer better (Not familiar with MathJax). Thanks.
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Assume the ray to the point (x,y) from the origin makes an angle of $alpha$ anti-clockwise with +ve x-axis.
Then (x,y) = (r cos$alpha$,r sin$alpha$) where $r = sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
If the point is rotated by an angle of $theta$ anti-clockwise around the origin, then the point makes an angle of $alpha+theta$ with the +ve x-axis. Since the distance of the point from the origin doesn't change due to the rotation around it, the new co-ordinates will be (X,Y) = (r cos$(alpha+theta)$,r sin$(alpha+theta)$).
Using basic trigonometric identities,
(X,Y)=$(r cos(alpha+theta),r sin(alpha+theta)bigr)$
=$(r cosalpha*costheta-r sinalpha*sintheta, r cosalpha*sintheta-r sinalpha*costheta)$ = $(x costheta-y sintheta,x sintheta+y costheta)$
P.S: Can a kind soul format my answer better (Not familiar with MathJax). Thanks.
Assume the ray to the point (x,y) from the origin makes an angle of $alpha$ anti-clockwise with +ve x-axis.
Then (x,y) = (r cos$alpha$,r sin$alpha$) where $r = sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
If the point is rotated by an angle of $theta$ anti-clockwise around the origin, then the point makes an angle of $alpha+theta$ with the +ve x-axis. Since the distance of the point from the origin doesn't change due to the rotation around it, the new co-ordinates will be (X,Y) = (r cos$(alpha+theta)$,r sin$(alpha+theta)$).
Using basic trigonometric identities,
(X,Y)=$(r cos(alpha+theta),r sin(alpha+theta)bigr)$
=$(r cosalpha*costheta-r sinalpha*sintheta, r cosalpha*sintheta-r sinalpha*costheta)$ = $(x costheta-y sintheta,x sintheta+y costheta)$
P.S: Can a kind soul format my answer better (Not familiar with MathJax). Thanks.
answered Sep 25 at 0:35
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Rotating the axes by $theta$ has a similar effect to rotating points by $-theta$
– Henry
Jul 5 '15 at 12:47
@Henry I was asking about rotation of X and Y axes and on doing so how coordinate of point P would change with respect to new axes?
– pcforgeek
Jul 5 '15 at 14:07