$frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b|}{|c-a|} + frac{|c|}{|b-a|} geq 2$
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If $a, b, c$ are distinct real numbers then you demonstrate that:
$$ S=frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b|}{|c-a|} + frac{|c|}{|b-a|} geq 2.$$
Using inequality $ |x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ we showed that $ S >frac{3}{2}.$
For $b = 2a, c = 3a, S=5,$ that is, the sum has values greater than 2, but I have not been able to prove this.
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If $a, b, c$ are distinct real numbers then you demonstrate that:
$$ S=frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b|}{|c-a|} + frac{|c|}{|b-a|} geq 2.$$
Using inequality $ |x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ we showed that $ S >frac{3}{2}.$
For $b = 2a, c = 3a, S=5,$ that is, the sum has values greater than 2, but I have not been able to prove this.
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Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
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If $a, b, c$ are distinct real numbers then you demonstrate that:
$$ S=frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b|}{|c-a|} + frac{|c|}{|b-a|} geq 2.$$
Using inequality $ |x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ we showed that $ S >frac{3}{2}.$
For $b = 2a, c = 3a, S=5,$ that is, the sum has values greater than 2, but I have not been able to prove this.
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If $a, b, c$ are distinct real numbers then you demonstrate that:
$$ S=frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b|}{|c-a|} + frac{|c|}{|b-a|} geq 2.$$
Using inequality $ |x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ we showed that $ S >frac{3}{2}.$
For $b = 2a, c = 3a, S=5,$ that is, the sum has values greater than 2, but I have not been able to prove this.
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Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
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Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
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Nov 19 at 17:28
Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
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Nov 19 at 17:28
Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
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Let $frac{a}{b-c}=x$, $frac{b}{c-a}=y$ and $frac{c}{a-b}=z$.
Thus, $$xy+xz+yz=sum_{cyc}frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{sumlimits_{cyc}ab(a-b)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{(a-b)(a-c)(b-c)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=-1.$$
Id est,
$$sum_{cyc}left|frac{a}{b-c}right|=sqrt{left(|x|+|y|+|z|right)^2}=sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}=$$
$$=sqrt{(x+y+z)^2+2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}geqsqrt{2+2}=2.$$
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Without loss of generality we can assume that $b$ and $c$ have the same sign. Then $|b|=|b-c|+|c|$. Also, $|c-a|le |c|+|a|$ and $|a-b| le |a|+|b-c|+|c|$. Therefore
$$
frac{|a|}{|b-c|}+frac{|b|}{|c-a|}+frac{|c|}{|a-b|} ge frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b-c|+|c|}{|c|+|a|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b-c|+|c|} = (*).$$
Denote $x=|a|$, $y=|b-c|$, $z=|c|$. Then, by Schwarz and by $x^2+y^2 ge 2xy$, we get
begin{align*}
(*) & = frac{x}{y}+frac{y+z}{z+x}+frac{z}{x+y+z} \
&ge frac{(x+(y+z)+z)^2}{xy+(y+z)(z+x)+z(x+y+z)} \
&= frac{x^2+y^2+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&ge frac{2xy+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&=2.end{align*}
+1, nice answer.
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Notice that $|x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ implies that:
$$frac{|z|}{|x-y|} geq frac{|z|}{|x|+|y|}.$$
Then:
$$S geq frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|} + frac{|b|}{|a|+|c|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} = \
=frac{A}{B+C} + frac{B}{A+C} + frac{C}{A+B},$$
where I set $A = |a|, B = |b|$ and $C= |c|$ for the sake of simplicity.
Multiplying and dividing numerators and denominators by $(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)$, we get that:
$$S geq frac{A^3+A^2B + A^2 C + AB^2 + 3ABC + AC^2 + B^3 + B^2C + BC^2 + C^3 }{(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)}.$$
Notice that the denominator can be expanded as follows:
$$D = (B+C)(A+C)(A+B) = A^2B + A^2C + AB^2 + 2ABC + AC^2 + B^2C + BC^2.$$
Therefore, the numerator can be rewritten as:
$$ N= D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC.$$
In other words:
$$S geq frac{D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC}{D} > frac{D}{D} = 1.$$
How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
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I tried to give a simple proof by reducing to simpler and simpler cases, all the time doing "nothing", and the final rephrasing is simple, too.
First of all, let us note that the (LHS of the) given inequality is invariated by permutations of the letters / variables $a,b,c$. So we may and do assume $ale ble c$.
Let $s,t>0$ be then such that $b=a+s$, $c=b+t=a+s+t$.
Replacing the initial $a,b,c$ with $-c,-b,-a$, we may and do assume $bge 0$.
The given inequality can now be rewritten equivalently:
$$
S=
frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
ge 2 .
$$If $a$ is $ge0$, then all three numbers $a,b,c$ are $ge 0$, and we can write
$$
begin{aligned}
S
&= frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
\
&ge
frac{0}t +
frac{s}{s+t} +
frac{s+t}s
%ge 2sqrt{
%frac{s}{s+t} cdot
%frac{s+t}s}
ge2 ,qquad(age 0)
end{aligned}
$$
and the last $ge$ (AM-GM) is moreover $>0$ (because $tne 0$). The case with $a < b < c=a+s+tle 0$ is similar.So the single interesting case is the one with $a<0le b<c$ . We rewrite the inequality in the form:
$$
frac{|b-s|}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
Here, $b$ is allowed to vary between $0$ and $s$, and the first modulus is $|a|=-a=-(b-s)=s-b$, so we have to show:
$$
frac{s-b}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
But this is a linear (ergo convex) function in $b$, so the inequality has to be tested only for the possible extremities, $b=0$ and $b=s$. For $b=0$ we obtain $frac st+frac tsge 2$, true, with equality for $s=t$. For $b=s$ we get $frac s{s+t}+frac {s+t}sge 2$, an inequality of the same shape, but we cannot get equality. (For intermediate values of $b$ we get intermediate values of the expression.)
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Let $frac{a}{b-c}=x$, $frac{b}{c-a}=y$ and $frac{c}{a-b}=z$.
Thus, $$xy+xz+yz=sum_{cyc}frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{sumlimits_{cyc}ab(a-b)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{(a-b)(a-c)(b-c)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=-1.$$
Id est,
$$sum_{cyc}left|frac{a}{b-c}right|=sqrt{left(|x|+|y|+|z|right)^2}=sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}=$$
$$=sqrt{(x+y+z)^2+2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}geqsqrt{2+2}=2.$$
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Let $frac{a}{b-c}=x$, $frac{b}{c-a}=y$ and $frac{c}{a-b}=z$.
Thus, $$xy+xz+yz=sum_{cyc}frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{sumlimits_{cyc}ab(a-b)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{(a-b)(a-c)(b-c)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=-1.$$
Id est,
$$sum_{cyc}left|frac{a}{b-c}right|=sqrt{left(|x|+|y|+|z|right)^2}=sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}=$$
$$=sqrt{(x+y+z)^2+2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}geqsqrt{2+2}=2.$$
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+1, nice answer.
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Let $frac{a}{b-c}=x$, $frac{b}{c-a}=y$ and $frac{c}{a-b}=z$.
Thus, $$xy+xz+yz=sum_{cyc}frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{sumlimits_{cyc}ab(a-b)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{(a-b)(a-c)(b-c)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=-1.$$
Id est,
$$sum_{cyc}left|frac{a}{b-c}right|=sqrt{left(|x|+|y|+|z|right)^2}=sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}=$$
$$=sqrt{(x+y+z)^2+2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}geqsqrt{2+2}=2.$$
Let $frac{a}{b-c}=x$, $frac{b}{c-a}=y$ and $frac{c}{a-b}=z$.
Thus, $$xy+xz+yz=sum_{cyc}frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{sumlimits_{cyc}ab(a-b)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=frac{(a-b)(a-c)(b-c)}{(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)}=-1.$$
Id est,
$$sum_{cyc}left|frac{a}{b-c}right|=sqrt{left(|x|+|y|+|z|right)^2}=sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}=$$
$$=sqrt{(x+y+z)^2+2+2sumlimits_{cyc}|xy|}geqsqrt{2+2}=2.$$
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+1, nice answer.
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+1, nice answer.
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+1, nice answer.
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+1, nice answer.
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Without loss of generality we can assume that $b$ and $c$ have the same sign. Then $|b|=|b-c|+|c|$. Also, $|c-a|le |c|+|a|$ and $|a-b| le |a|+|b-c|+|c|$. Therefore
$$
frac{|a|}{|b-c|}+frac{|b|}{|c-a|}+frac{|c|}{|a-b|} ge frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b-c|+|c|}{|c|+|a|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b-c|+|c|} = (*).$$
Denote $x=|a|$, $y=|b-c|$, $z=|c|$. Then, by Schwarz and by $x^2+y^2 ge 2xy$, we get
begin{align*}
(*) & = frac{x}{y}+frac{y+z}{z+x}+frac{z}{x+y+z} \
&ge frac{(x+(y+z)+z)^2}{xy+(y+z)(z+x)+z(x+y+z)} \
&= frac{x^2+y^2+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&ge frac{2xy+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&=2.end{align*}
+1, nice answer.
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Without loss of generality we can assume that $b$ and $c$ have the same sign. Then $|b|=|b-c|+|c|$. Also, $|c-a|le |c|+|a|$ and $|a-b| le |a|+|b-c|+|c|$. Therefore
$$
frac{|a|}{|b-c|}+frac{|b|}{|c-a|}+frac{|c|}{|a-b|} ge frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b-c|+|c|}{|c|+|a|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b-c|+|c|} = (*).$$
Denote $x=|a|$, $y=|b-c|$, $z=|c|$. Then, by Schwarz and by $x^2+y^2 ge 2xy$, we get
begin{align*}
(*) & = frac{x}{y}+frac{y+z}{z+x}+frac{z}{x+y+z} \
&ge frac{(x+(y+z)+z)^2}{xy+(y+z)(z+x)+z(x+y+z)} \
&= frac{x^2+y^2+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&ge frac{2xy+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&=2.end{align*}
+1, nice answer.
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Without loss of generality we can assume that $b$ and $c$ have the same sign. Then $|b|=|b-c|+|c|$. Also, $|c-a|le |c|+|a|$ and $|a-b| le |a|+|b-c|+|c|$. Therefore
$$
frac{|a|}{|b-c|}+frac{|b|}{|c-a|}+frac{|c|}{|a-b|} ge frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b-c|+|c|}{|c|+|a|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b-c|+|c|} = (*).$$
Denote $x=|a|$, $y=|b-c|$, $z=|c|$. Then, by Schwarz and by $x^2+y^2 ge 2xy$, we get
begin{align*}
(*) & = frac{x}{y}+frac{y+z}{z+x}+frac{z}{x+y+z} \
&ge frac{(x+(y+z)+z)^2}{xy+(y+z)(z+x)+z(x+y+z)} \
&= frac{x^2+y^2+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&ge frac{2xy+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&=2.end{align*}
Without loss of generality we can assume that $b$ and $c$ have the same sign. Then $|b|=|b-c|+|c|$. Also, $|c-a|le |c|+|a|$ and $|a-b| le |a|+|b-c|+|c|$. Therefore
$$
frac{|a|}{|b-c|}+frac{|b|}{|c-a|}+frac{|c|}{|a-b|} ge frac{|a|}{|b-c|} + frac{|b-c|+|c|}{|c|+|a|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b-c|+|c|} = (*).$$
Denote $x=|a|$, $y=|b-c|$, $z=|c|$. Then, by Schwarz and by $x^2+y^2 ge 2xy$, we get
begin{align*}
(*) & = frac{x}{y}+frac{y+z}{z+x}+frac{z}{x+y+z} \
&ge frac{(x+(y+z)+z)^2}{xy+(y+z)(z+x)+z(x+y+z)} \
&= frac{x^2+y^2+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&ge frac{2xy+4z^2+2xy+4yz+4zx}{2z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx} \
&=2.end{align*}
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+1, nice answer.
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+1, nice answer.
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+1, nice answer.
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Notice that $|x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ implies that:
$$frac{|z|}{|x-y|} geq frac{|z|}{|x|+|y|}.$$
Then:
$$S geq frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|} + frac{|b|}{|a|+|c|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} = \
=frac{A}{B+C} + frac{B}{A+C} + frac{C}{A+B},$$
where I set $A = |a|, B = |b|$ and $C= |c|$ for the sake of simplicity.
Multiplying and dividing numerators and denominators by $(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)$, we get that:
$$S geq frac{A^3+A^2B + A^2 C + AB^2 + 3ABC + AC^2 + B^3 + B^2C + BC^2 + C^3 }{(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)}.$$
Notice that the denominator can be expanded as follows:
$$D = (B+C)(A+C)(A+B) = A^2B + A^2C + AB^2 + 2ABC + AC^2 + B^2C + BC^2.$$
Therefore, the numerator can be rewritten as:
$$ N= D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC.$$
In other words:
$$S geq frac{D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC}{D} > frac{D}{D} = 1.$$
How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:16
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Notice that $|x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ implies that:
$$frac{|z|}{|x-y|} geq frac{|z|}{|x|+|y|}.$$
Then:
$$S geq frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|} + frac{|b|}{|a|+|c|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} = \
=frac{A}{B+C} + frac{B}{A+C} + frac{C}{A+B},$$
where I set $A = |a|, B = |b|$ and $C= |c|$ for the sake of simplicity.
Multiplying and dividing numerators and denominators by $(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)$, we get that:
$$S geq frac{A^3+A^2B + A^2 C + AB^2 + 3ABC + AC^2 + B^3 + B^2C + BC^2 + C^3 }{(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)}.$$
Notice that the denominator can be expanded as follows:
$$D = (B+C)(A+C)(A+B) = A^2B + A^2C + AB^2 + 2ABC + AC^2 + B^2C + BC^2.$$
Therefore, the numerator can be rewritten as:
$$ N= D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC.$$
In other words:
$$S geq frac{D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC}{D} > frac{D}{D} = 1.$$
How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
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Notice that $|x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ implies that:
$$frac{|z|}{|x-y|} geq frac{|z|}{|x|+|y|}.$$
Then:
$$S geq frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|} + frac{|b|}{|a|+|c|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} = \
=frac{A}{B+C} + frac{B}{A+C} + frac{C}{A+B},$$
where I set $A = |a|, B = |b|$ and $C= |c|$ for the sake of simplicity.
Multiplying and dividing numerators and denominators by $(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)$, we get that:
$$S geq frac{A^3+A^2B + A^2 C + AB^2 + 3ABC + AC^2 + B^3 + B^2C + BC^2 + C^3 }{(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)}.$$
Notice that the denominator can be expanded as follows:
$$D = (B+C)(A+C)(A+B) = A^2B + A^2C + AB^2 + 2ABC + AC^2 + B^2C + BC^2.$$
Therefore, the numerator can be rewritten as:
$$ N= D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC.$$
In other words:
$$S geq frac{D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC}{D} > frac{D}{D} = 1.$$
Notice that $|x-y|leq |x|+|y|$ implies that:
$$frac{|z|}{|x-y|} geq frac{|z|}{|x|+|y|}.$$
Then:
$$S geq frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|} + frac{|b|}{|a|+|c|} + frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} = \
=frac{A}{B+C} + frac{B}{A+C} + frac{C}{A+B},$$
where I set $A = |a|, B = |b|$ and $C= |c|$ for the sake of simplicity.
Multiplying and dividing numerators and denominators by $(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)$, we get that:
$$S geq frac{A^3+A^2B + A^2 C + AB^2 + 3ABC + AC^2 + B^3 + B^2C + BC^2 + C^3 }{(B+C)(A+C)(A+B)}.$$
Notice that the denominator can be expanded as follows:
$$D = (B+C)(A+C)(A+B) = A^2B + A^2C + AB^2 + 2ABC + AC^2 + B^2C + BC^2.$$
Therefore, the numerator can be rewritten as:
$$ N= D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC.$$
In other words:
$$S geq frac{D + A^3 +B^3 + C^3 + ABC}{D} > frac{D}{D} = 1.$$
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How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:16
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How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:16
How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
How does this prove that $S ge 2$?
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:09
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
@timon92 It doesn't. This is my attempt. If I can find a better lower bound, then I will post it.
– the_candyman
Nov 19 at 18:11
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Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:16
Fair enough. Also, using the so-called Nesbitt inequality one can get better bound: $Sge frac{|a|}{|b|+|c|}+frac{|b|}{|c|+|a|}+frac{|c|}{|a|+|b|} ge frac 32.$
– timon92
Nov 19 at 18:16
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I tried to give a simple proof by reducing to simpler and simpler cases, all the time doing "nothing", and the final rephrasing is simple, too.
First of all, let us note that the (LHS of the) given inequality is invariated by permutations of the letters / variables $a,b,c$. So we may and do assume $ale ble c$.
Let $s,t>0$ be then such that $b=a+s$, $c=b+t=a+s+t$.
Replacing the initial $a,b,c$ with $-c,-b,-a$, we may and do assume $bge 0$.
The given inequality can now be rewritten equivalently:
$$
S=
frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
ge 2 .
$$If $a$ is $ge0$, then all three numbers $a,b,c$ are $ge 0$, and we can write
$$
begin{aligned}
S
&= frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
\
&ge
frac{0}t +
frac{s}{s+t} +
frac{s+t}s
%ge 2sqrt{
%frac{s}{s+t} cdot
%frac{s+t}s}
ge2 ,qquad(age 0)
end{aligned}
$$
and the last $ge$ (AM-GM) is moreover $>0$ (because $tne 0$). The case with $a < b < c=a+s+tle 0$ is similar.So the single interesting case is the one with $a<0le b<c$ . We rewrite the inequality in the form:
$$
frac{|b-s|}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
Here, $b$ is allowed to vary between $0$ and $s$, and the first modulus is $|a|=-a=-(b-s)=s-b$, so we have to show:
$$
frac{s-b}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
But this is a linear (ergo convex) function in $b$, so the inequality has to be tested only for the possible extremities, $b=0$ and $b=s$. For $b=0$ we obtain $frac st+frac tsge 2$, true, with equality for $s=t$. For $b=s$ we get $frac s{s+t}+frac {s+t}sge 2$, an inequality of the same shape, but we cannot get equality. (For intermediate values of $b$ we get intermediate values of the expression.)
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I tried to give a simple proof by reducing to simpler and simpler cases, all the time doing "nothing", and the final rephrasing is simple, too.
First of all, let us note that the (LHS of the) given inequality is invariated by permutations of the letters / variables $a,b,c$. So we may and do assume $ale ble c$.
Let $s,t>0$ be then such that $b=a+s$, $c=b+t=a+s+t$.
Replacing the initial $a,b,c$ with $-c,-b,-a$, we may and do assume $bge 0$.
The given inequality can now be rewritten equivalently:
$$
S=
frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
ge 2 .
$$If $a$ is $ge0$, then all three numbers $a,b,c$ are $ge 0$, and we can write
$$
begin{aligned}
S
&= frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
\
&ge
frac{0}t +
frac{s}{s+t} +
frac{s+t}s
%ge 2sqrt{
%frac{s}{s+t} cdot
%frac{s+t}s}
ge2 ,qquad(age 0)
end{aligned}
$$
and the last $ge$ (AM-GM) is moreover $>0$ (because $tne 0$). The case with $a < b < c=a+s+tle 0$ is similar.So the single interesting case is the one with $a<0le b<c$ . We rewrite the inequality in the form:
$$
frac{|b-s|}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
Here, $b$ is allowed to vary between $0$ and $s$, and the first modulus is $|a|=-a=-(b-s)=s-b$, so we have to show:
$$
frac{s-b}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
But this is a linear (ergo convex) function in $b$, so the inequality has to be tested only for the possible extremities, $b=0$ and $b=s$. For $b=0$ we obtain $frac st+frac tsge 2$, true, with equality for $s=t$. For $b=s$ we get $frac s{s+t}+frac {s+t}sge 2$, an inequality of the same shape, but we cannot get equality. (For intermediate values of $b$ we get intermediate values of the expression.)
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I tried to give a simple proof by reducing to simpler and simpler cases, all the time doing "nothing", and the final rephrasing is simple, too.
First of all, let us note that the (LHS of the) given inequality is invariated by permutations of the letters / variables $a,b,c$. So we may and do assume $ale ble c$.
Let $s,t>0$ be then such that $b=a+s$, $c=b+t=a+s+t$.
Replacing the initial $a,b,c$ with $-c,-b,-a$, we may and do assume $bge 0$.
The given inequality can now be rewritten equivalently:
$$
S=
frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
ge 2 .
$$If $a$ is $ge0$, then all three numbers $a,b,c$ are $ge 0$, and we can write
$$
begin{aligned}
S
&= frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
\
&ge
frac{0}t +
frac{s}{s+t} +
frac{s+t}s
%ge 2sqrt{
%frac{s}{s+t} cdot
%frac{s+t}s}
ge2 ,qquad(age 0)
end{aligned}
$$
and the last $ge$ (AM-GM) is moreover $>0$ (because $tne 0$). The case with $a < b < c=a+s+tle 0$ is similar.So the single interesting case is the one with $a<0le b<c$ . We rewrite the inequality in the form:
$$
frac{|b-s|}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
Here, $b$ is allowed to vary between $0$ and $s$, and the first modulus is $|a|=-a=-(b-s)=s-b$, so we have to show:
$$
frac{s-b}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
But this is a linear (ergo convex) function in $b$, so the inequality has to be tested only for the possible extremities, $b=0$ and $b=s$. For $b=0$ we obtain $frac st+frac tsge 2$, true, with equality for $s=t$. For $b=s$ we get $frac s{s+t}+frac {s+t}sge 2$, an inequality of the same shape, but we cannot get equality. (For intermediate values of $b$ we get intermediate values of the expression.)
I tried to give a simple proof by reducing to simpler and simpler cases, all the time doing "nothing", and the final rephrasing is simple, too.
First of all, let us note that the (LHS of the) given inequality is invariated by permutations of the letters / variables $a,b,c$. So we may and do assume $ale ble c$.
Let $s,t>0$ be then such that $b=a+s$, $c=b+t=a+s+t$.
Replacing the initial $a,b,c$ with $-c,-b,-a$, we may and do assume $bge 0$.
The given inequality can now be rewritten equivalently:
$$
S=
frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
ge 2 .
$$If $a$ is $ge0$, then all three numbers $a,b,c$ are $ge 0$, and we can write
$$
begin{aligned}
S
&= frac{|a|}t +
frac{|a+s|}{s+t} +
frac{|a+s+t|}s
\
&ge
frac{0}t +
frac{s}{s+t} +
frac{s+t}s
%ge 2sqrt{
%frac{s}{s+t} cdot
%frac{s+t}s}
ge2 ,qquad(age 0)
end{aligned}
$$
and the last $ge$ (AM-GM) is moreover $>0$ (because $tne 0$). The case with $a < b < c=a+s+tle 0$ is similar.So the single interesting case is the one with $a<0le b<c$ . We rewrite the inequality in the form:
$$
frac{|b-s|}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
Here, $b$ is allowed to vary between $0$ and $s$, and the first modulus is $|a|=-a=-(b-s)=s-b$, so we have to show:
$$
frac{s-b}t+frac b{s+t}+frac{b+t}sge 2 .
$$
But this is a linear (ergo convex) function in $b$, so the inequality has to be tested only for the possible extremities, $b=0$ and $b=s$. For $b=0$ we obtain $frac st+frac tsge 2$, true, with equality for $s=t$. For $b=s$ we get $frac s{s+t}+frac {s+t}sge 2$, an inequality of the same shape, but we cannot get equality. (For intermediate values of $b$ we get intermediate values of the expression.)
answered 2 days ago
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Put everyting on one side, multiply everything by $|b-c||c-a||b-a|, and go from there.
– user3482749
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