Different way of solving $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$?
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I'm a third year physics student, not a math student.
The conventional way to solve this would be:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=frac{d}{dx}(frac{du}{dx})=1 Rightarrow d(frac{du}{dx})= dxRightarrow int d(frac{du}{dx})=int dxRightarrow frac{du}{dx}=x+A Rightarrow
du=(x+A)dx Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Ax+B$$
So I'm wondering if what follows is correct:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1 Rightarrow d^2u=(dx)^2 Rightarrow d(du)=dxdx Rightarrow int d(du)=int dxdx Rightarrow du=int dxdx$$
At this point, I don't know if there are other ways to proceed, but I use integration by parts
$$int vdw=vw-int wdv$$
by considering $v=dx$ and $dw=dx$, so that $w=x$ and $dv=d(dx)$:
$$du=int dxdx=xdx-int x·d(dx)$$
If I assume that $-int x·d(dx)=C$ is a constant, we get
$$du=xdx+C Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Cx+D$$
which is what we had originally.
However, how would I go about proving that $int x·d(dx)=constant$? Is it because $d(dx)=0$? And how do I prove that? Are there any other interesting ways to solve this differential equation?
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I'm a third year physics student, not a math student.
The conventional way to solve this would be:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=frac{d}{dx}(frac{du}{dx})=1 Rightarrow d(frac{du}{dx})= dxRightarrow int d(frac{du}{dx})=int dxRightarrow frac{du}{dx}=x+A Rightarrow
du=(x+A)dx Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Ax+B$$
So I'm wondering if what follows is correct:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1 Rightarrow d^2u=(dx)^2 Rightarrow d(du)=dxdx Rightarrow int d(du)=int dxdx Rightarrow du=int dxdx$$
At this point, I don't know if there are other ways to proceed, but I use integration by parts
$$int vdw=vw-int wdv$$
by considering $v=dx$ and $dw=dx$, so that $w=x$ and $dv=d(dx)$:
$$du=int dxdx=xdx-int x·d(dx)$$
If I assume that $-int x·d(dx)=C$ is a constant, we get
$$du=xdx+C Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Cx+D$$
which is what we had originally.
However, how would I go about proving that $int x·d(dx)=constant$? Is it because $d(dx)=0$? And how do I prove that? Are there any other interesting ways to solve this differential equation?
calculus integration differential-equations indefinite-integrals
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I'm a third year physics student, not a math student.
The conventional way to solve this would be:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=frac{d}{dx}(frac{du}{dx})=1 Rightarrow d(frac{du}{dx})= dxRightarrow int d(frac{du}{dx})=int dxRightarrow frac{du}{dx}=x+A Rightarrow
du=(x+A)dx Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Ax+B$$
So I'm wondering if what follows is correct:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1 Rightarrow d^2u=(dx)^2 Rightarrow d(du)=dxdx Rightarrow int d(du)=int dxdx Rightarrow du=int dxdx$$
At this point, I don't know if there are other ways to proceed, but I use integration by parts
$$int vdw=vw-int wdv$$
by considering $v=dx$ and $dw=dx$, so that $w=x$ and $dv=d(dx)$:
$$du=int dxdx=xdx-int x·d(dx)$$
If I assume that $-int x·d(dx)=C$ is a constant, we get
$$du=xdx+C Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Cx+D$$
which is what we had originally.
However, how would I go about proving that $int x·d(dx)=constant$? Is it because $d(dx)=0$? And how do I prove that? Are there any other interesting ways to solve this differential equation?
calculus integration differential-equations indefinite-integrals
I'm a third year physics student, not a math student.
The conventional way to solve this would be:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=frac{d}{dx}(frac{du}{dx})=1 Rightarrow d(frac{du}{dx})= dxRightarrow int d(frac{du}{dx})=int dxRightarrow frac{du}{dx}=x+A Rightarrow
du=(x+A)dx Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Ax+B$$
So I'm wondering if what follows is correct:
$$frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1 Rightarrow d^2u=(dx)^2 Rightarrow d(du)=dxdx Rightarrow int d(du)=int dxdx Rightarrow du=int dxdx$$
At this point, I don't know if there are other ways to proceed, but I use integration by parts
$$int vdw=vw-int wdv$$
by considering $v=dx$ and $dw=dx$, so that $w=x$ and $dv=d(dx)$:
$$du=int dxdx=xdx-int x·d(dx)$$
If I assume that $-int x·d(dx)=C$ is a constant, we get
$$du=xdx+C Rightarrow u=frac{x^2}{2}+Cx+D$$
which is what we had originally.
However, how would I go about proving that $int x·d(dx)=constant$? Is it because $d(dx)=0$? And how do I prove that? Are there any other interesting ways to solve this differential equation?
calculus integration differential-equations indefinite-integrals
calculus integration differential-equations indefinite-integrals
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Sorry, this is not correct. Already the first step $d^2 u = (dx)^2$ is meaningless.
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
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@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
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If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
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@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
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Sorry, this is not correct. Already the first step $d^2 u = (dx)^2$ is meaningless.
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
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@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
1
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
1
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
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Sorry, this is not correct. Already the first step $d^2 u = (dx)^2$ is meaningless.
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
1
@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
1
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
1
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
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Sorry, this is not correct. Already the first step $d^2 u = (dx)^2$ is meaningless.
Sorry, this is not correct. Already the first step $d^2 u = (dx)^2$ is meaningless.
answered Nov 24 at 16:34
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Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
1
@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
1
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
1
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
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show 1 more comment
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
1
@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
1
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
1
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
Why, though? That was also a question I had
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 17:07
1
1
@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
@elcocodrilotito see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1784671/…
– shai horowitz
Nov 24 at 17:45
1
1
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
If I may counter with a question: why on earth would it be valid? What does it even mean?
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 24 at 18:14
1
1
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@shaihorowitz Thank you, that's probably where my confusion comes from
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:34
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
@HansLundmark I thought $frac{d^2u}{dx^2}=1$ could be treated as a fraction. Besides, $d^2u$ is the operator $d$ acting twice on $u$ and $dx^2$ is just $dxdx$, I believe, so to me the equation $d^2u=dxdx$ made sense
– elcocodrilotito
Nov 24 at 18:38
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