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Let $M$ be a topological space, $Ksubset M$ compact, $fcolon Mtomathbb{R}cupleft{+inftyright}$ lower semi-continious. Show that $f$ takes its minimum on $K$.





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we defined lower semi-continuity as follows: $f$ is lower semi-continious on $M$ if for any $xin M$ and any $alpha < f(x)$ there is a neighbourhood $Usubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha<f(y)$ for all $yin U$.



So my idea is the following.



$f$ is lower semi-continious on $K$. Take any $xin K$ and $alpha < f(x)$, then there is a neighbourhood $U_xsubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha < f(y)~forall yin U$.



So it is
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{xin K}U_x.
$$
Because of the compactness of $K$ there is a finite index set $I$ such that
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}.
$$
It is $f(y)>alpha~forall yin U_{x_i}, iin I$.



So for all $alpha <infty$ it is $f(x)>alpha$ for all $xin K$.



This means that it is $inf_{xin K}f(x)=-infty$.



But do not know what to do with this result, is it helpful at all??










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  • I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:13








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    $alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:16












  • @Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
    – mathfemi
    May 23 '14 at 15:17












  • @mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:18






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    Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
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Let $M$ be a topological space, $Ksubset M$ compact, $fcolon Mtomathbb{R}cupleft{+inftyright}$ lower semi-continious. Show that $f$ takes its minimum on $K$.





Good day,



we defined lower semi-continuity as follows: $f$ is lower semi-continious on $M$ if for any $xin M$ and any $alpha < f(x)$ there is a neighbourhood $Usubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha<f(y)$ for all $yin U$.



So my idea is the following.



$f$ is lower semi-continious on $K$. Take any $xin K$ and $alpha < f(x)$, then there is a neighbourhood $U_xsubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha < f(y)~forall yin U$.



So it is
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{xin K}U_x.
$$
Because of the compactness of $K$ there is a finite index set $I$ such that
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}.
$$
It is $f(y)>alpha~forall yin U_{x_i}, iin I$.



So for all $alpha <infty$ it is $f(x)>alpha$ for all $xin K$.



This means that it is $inf_{xin K}f(x)=-infty$.



But do not know what to do with this result, is it helpful at all??










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  • I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:13








  • 1




    $alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:16












  • @Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
    – mathfemi
    May 23 '14 at 15:17












  • @mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:18






  • 1




    Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:23













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Let $M$ be a topological space, $Ksubset M$ compact, $fcolon Mtomathbb{R}cupleft{+inftyright}$ lower semi-continious. Show that $f$ takes its minimum on $K$.





Good day,



we defined lower semi-continuity as follows: $f$ is lower semi-continious on $M$ if for any $xin M$ and any $alpha < f(x)$ there is a neighbourhood $Usubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha<f(y)$ for all $yin U$.



So my idea is the following.



$f$ is lower semi-continious on $K$. Take any $xin K$ and $alpha < f(x)$, then there is a neighbourhood $U_xsubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha < f(y)~forall yin U$.



So it is
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{xin K}U_x.
$$
Because of the compactness of $K$ there is a finite index set $I$ such that
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}.
$$
It is $f(y)>alpha~forall yin U_{x_i}, iin I$.



So for all $alpha <infty$ it is $f(x)>alpha$ for all $xin K$.



This means that it is $inf_{xin K}f(x)=-infty$.



But do not know what to do with this result, is it helpful at all??










share|cite|improve this question















Let $M$ be a topological space, $Ksubset M$ compact, $fcolon Mtomathbb{R}cupleft{+inftyright}$ lower semi-continious. Show that $f$ takes its minimum on $K$.





Good day,



we defined lower semi-continuity as follows: $f$ is lower semi-continious on $M$ if for any $xin M$ and any $alpha < f(x)$ there is a neighbourhood $Usubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha<f(y)$ for all $yin U$.



So my idea is the following.



$f$ is lower semi-continious on $K$. Take any $xin K$ and $alpha < f(x)$, then there is a neighbourhood $U_xsubset M$ of $x$ such that $alpha < f(y)~forall yin U$.



So it is
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{xin K}U_x.
$$
Because of the compactness of $K$ there is a finite index set $I$ such that
$$
Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}.
$$
It is $f(y)>alpha~forall yin U_{x_i}, iin I$.



So for all $alpha <infty$ it is $f(x)>alpha$ for all $xin K$.



This means that it is $inf_{xin K}f(x)=-infty$.



But do not know what to do with this result, is it helpful at all??







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  • I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:13








  • 1




    $alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:16












  • @Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
    – mathfemi
    May 23 '14 at 15:17












  • @mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:18






  • 1




    Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:23


















  • I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:13








  • 1




    $alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:16












  • @Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
    – mathfemi
    May 23 '14 at 15:17












  • @mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
    – Patrick Da Silva
    May 23 '14 at 15:18






  • 1




    Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
    – mfl
    May 23 '14 at 15:23
















I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
– Patrick Da Silva
May 23 '14 at 15:13






I mean, no. $f : mathbb R to mathbb R$ defined by $f(x) = |x|$ is continuous, hence lower-semi-continuous ; but $f$ does not take its minimum on the compact subset $[1,2]$ for instance. You need something more about $K$, or maybe you misformulated something. Do you mean that the infimum over $K$ of $f$ is actually a minimum?
– Patrick Da Silva
May 23 '14 at 15:13






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$alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
– mfl
May 23 '14 at 15:16






$alpha$ depends on $x.$ So you should write $alpha_x.$ Since $K$ is compact you have $Ksubsetbigcup_{iin I}U_{x_i}$ with $I$ finite. Thus $fgeq min_{iin I}{alpha_{x_i}},$ that is, $f$ is bounded from below.
– mfl
May 23 '14 at 15:16














@Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
– mathfemi
May 23 '14 at 15:17






@Patrick Da Silva The statement is, that because of the compactness of $K$ the lower semi-continious function $f$ takes its minimum on $K$. Another book says that then $f$ has a minimum of $K$. Do not know what is the better way to formulate it.
– mathfemi
May 23 '14 at 15:17














@mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
– Patrick Da Silva
May 23 '14 at 15:18




@mathfemi : The way I understand it my example is a counter-example to your statement. How is my example not a counter-example, if you believe you are right? Then perhaps I can understand your statement better.
– Patrick Da Silva
May 23 '14 at 15:18




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Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
– mfl
May 23 '14 at 15:23




Because, by definition of lower semi-continuity, in any $U_{x_i}$ you have $f(y)>alpha_igeq min_{iin I}{alpha_i}$
– mfl
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As mentioned by Manuel, the first step of your reasoning is wrong because the $alpha$ depends on $x$.



However, your method of proof is quite correct, and with a minor adjustment it gives the statement you want. Here are the details.



Set $a:=inf{ f(x);; xin K}$. This is well defined, but possibly equal to $-infty$. It is enough to show that one can find $x$ such that $f(x)=a$. (In particular, this will show that $a>-infty$).



Assume this is not true. Then, for any $xin K$ you have $f(x)>alpha$; so you can choose a real number $alpha_x>a$ such that $f(x)>alpha_x$.



Then your above reasoning (together with Manuel's comments) gives that one can find $x_1,dots ,x_Nin K$ such that
$$forall xin K;: ; f(x)>alpha:=min (alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}), . $$
It follows that $inf{ f(x);; xin K}geqalpha$, i.e. $ageqalpha$; but this is a contradiction since $alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}$ are strictly greater than $a$ and hence $alpha>a$.






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    As mentioned by Manuel, the first step of your reasoning is wrong because the $alpha$ depends on $x$.



    However, your method of proof is quite correct, and with a minor adjustment it gives the statement you want. Here are the details.



    Set $a:=inf{ f(x);; xin K}$. This is well defined, but possibly equal to $-infty$. It is enough to show that one can find $x$ such that $f(x)=a$. (In particular, this will show that $a>-infty$).



    Assume this is not true. Then, for any $xin K$ you have $f(x)>alpha$; so you can choose a real number $alpha_x>a$ such that $f(x)>alpha_x$.



    Then your above reasoning (together with Manuel's comments) gives that one can find $x_1,dots ,x_Nin K$ such that
    $$forall xin K;: ; f(x)>alpha:=min (alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}), . $$
    It follows that $inf{ f(x);; xin K}geqalpha$, i.e. $ageqalpha$; but this is a contradiction since $alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}$ are strictly greater than $a$ and hence $alpha>a$.






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      As mentioned by Manuel, the first step of your reasoning is wrong because the $alpha$ depends on $x$.



      However, your method of proof is quite correct, and with a minor adjustment it gives the statement you want. Here are the details.



      Set $a:=inf{ f(x);; xin K}$. This is well defined, but possibly equal to $-infty$. It is enough to show that one can find $x$ such that $f(x)=a$. (In particular, this will show that $a>-infty$).



      Assume this is not true. Then, for any $xin K$ you have $f(x)>alpha$; so you can choose a real number $alpha_x>a$ such that $f(x)>alpha_x$.



      Then your above reasoning (together with Manuel's comments) gives that one can find $x_1,dots ,x_Nin K$ such that
      $$forall xin K;: ; f(x)>alpha:=min (alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}), . $$
      It follows that $inf{ f(x);; xin K}geqalpha$, i.e. $ageqalpha$; but this is a contradiction since $alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}$ are strictly greater than $a$ and hence $alpha>a$.






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        As mentioned by Manuel, the first step of your reasoning is wrong because the $alpha$ depends on $x$.



        However, your method of proof is quite correct, and with a minor adjustment it gives the statement you want. Here are the details.



        Set $a:=inf{ f(x);; xin K}$. This is well defined, but possibly equal to $-infty$. It is enough to show that one can find $x$ such that $f(x)=a$. (In particular, this will show that $a>-infty$).



        Assume this is not true. Then, for any $xin K$ you have $f(x)>alpha$; so you can choose a real number $alpha_x>a$ such that $f(x)>alpha_x$.



        Then your above reasoning (together with Manuel's comments) gives that one can find $x_1,dots ,x_Nin K$ such that
        $$forall xin K;: ; f(x)>alpha:=min (alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}), . $$
        It follows that $inf{ f(x);; xin K}geqalpha$, i.e. $ageqalpha$; but this is a contradiction since $alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}$ are strictly greater than $a$ and hence $alpha>a$.






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        As mentioned by Manuel, the first step of your reasoning is wrong because the $alpha$ depends on $x$.



        However, your method of proof is quite correct, and with a minor adjustment it gives the statement you want. Here are the details.



        Set $a:=inf{ f(x);; xin K}$. This is well defined, but possibly equal to $-infty$. It is enough to show that one can find $x$ such that $f(x)=a$. (In particular, this will show that $a>-infty$).



        Assume this is not true. Then, for any $xin K$ you have $f(x)>alpha$; so you can choose a real number $alpha_x>a$ such that $f(x)>alpha_x$.



        Then your above reasoning (together with Manuel's comments) gives that one can find $x_1,dots ,x_Nin K$ such that
        $$forall xin K;: ; f(x)>alpha:=min (alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}), . $$
        It follows that $inf{ f(x);; xin K}geqalpha$, i.e. $ageqalpha$; but this is a contradiction since $alpha_{x_1},dots ,alpha_{x_N}$ are strictly greater than $a$ and hence $alpha>a$.







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