Prove $(0) = (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$ in $R=frac{k[x,y,z]}{(x^2,xy)}$












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Studying for my algebra final and doing some practice problems, and I can't seem to understand this one...



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Let $k$ be a field, and $R=frac{k[x,y,z]}{(x^2,xy)}$. For $ninmathbb{N}, lambdain k^*,$ show $(0) = (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$.



I was going to do a proof by contradiction, but I'm having trouble understanding the form of elements of $R$. I feel like if I understood that better, it would be fairly easy to show that no nonzero element of R can be in the right hand side of the equation provided.



Any help and hints are greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!



edit: So my next thought is to find a minimal primary decomposition for $(x^2, xy)$, as it's my understanding that that decomposition is the same as the primary decomposition for $(0)$ in $R$. It's a monomial ideal, so you can reduce it to $(x)cap(x^2,y)$. I'm not really sure where to go from here though.










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    Studying for my algebra final and doing some practice problems, and I can't seem to understand this one...



    Full problem:



    Let $k$ be a field, and $R=frac{k[x,y,z]}{(x^2,xy)}$. For $ninmathbb{N}, lambdain k^*,$ show $(0) = (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$.



    I was going to do a proof by contradiction, but I'm having trouble understanding the form of elements of $R$. I feel like if I understood that better, it would be fairly easy to show that no nonzero element of R can be in the right hand side of the equation provided.



    Any help and hints are greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!



    edit: So my next thought is to find a minimal primary decomposition for $(x^2, xy)$, as it's my understanding that that decomposition is the same as the primary decomposition for $(0)$ in $R$. It's a monomial ideal, so you can reduce it to $(x)cap(x^2,y)$. I'm not really sure where to go from here though.










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      Studying for my algebra final and doing some practice problems, and I can't seem to understand this one...



      Full problem:



      Let $k$ be a field, and $R=frac{k[x,y,z]}{(x^2,xy)}$. For $ninmathbb{N}, lambdain k^*,$ show $(0) = (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$.



      I was going to do a proof by contradiction, but I'm having trouble understanding the form of elements of $R$. I feel like if I understood that better, it would be fairly easy to show that no nonzero element of R can be in the right hand side of the equation provided.



      Any help and hints are greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!



      edit: So my next thought is to find a minimal primary decomposition for $(x^2, xy)$, as it's my understanding that that decomposition is the same as the primary decomposition for $(0)$ in $R$. It's a monomial ideal, so you can reduce it to $(x)cap(x^2,y)$. I'm not really sure where to go from here though.










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      Studying for my algebra final and doing some practice problems, and I can't seem to understand this one...



      Full problem:



      Let $k$ be a field, and $R=frac{k[x,y,z]}{(x^2,xy)}$. For $ninmathbb{N}, lambdain k^*,$ show $(0) = (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$.



      I was going to do a proof by contradiction, but I'm having trouble understanding the form of elements of $R$. I feel like if I understood that better, it would be fairly easy to show that no nonzero element of R can be in the right hand side of the equation provided.



      Any help and hints are greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!



      edit: So my next thought is to find a minimal primary decomposition for $(x^2, xy)$, as it's my understanding that that decomposition is the same as the primary decomposition for $(0)$ in $R$. It's a monomial ideal, so you can reduce it to $(x)cap(x^2,y)$. I'm not really sure where to go from here though.







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          Let $pi: k[x,y,z] rightarrow k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ be the canonical projection. Note that an ideal $J subseteq k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ is $0$ iff $pi^{-1}(J) subseteq (x^2, xy)$. Thus we don't really need to work in the factor ring at all. Rather, it suffices to show that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) subseteq k[x,y,z]$ implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.



          To do this, write $f = g(xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) = hx$ for some $g,h in k[x,y,z]$. Since $x$ is a prime element in $k[x,y,z]$, necessarily $x$ divides $g$ or $xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n$. The latter is clearly impossible, so $x$ divides $g$, and it follows quickly that $f in (x^2, xy)$.



          Note that we didn't need $k$ to be a field, it could have been any commutative ring.






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          For a geometric perspective, we think of $R$ as the ring of polynomial functions on $X = operatorname{Spec} R$ which we can think of as ${(a,b,c) in k^3 : a^2 = ab = 0}$. This is contained inside the plane ${a = 0}$. But because of the square, there is a non-reduced structure. Namely, if $b = 0$ then $a^2 = 0$ is the only remaining equation and we think of this as having a doubled line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ inside $X$. Therefore $X$ is the plane ${a = 0}$ where the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ is doubled.



          To say that a function $f in R$ is zero now means that $f$ should vanish if we substitute $x = 0$ and should vanish "doubly" if we substitute $x = 0, y = 0$.



          So now let's say we have a function (i.e. polynomial) $f in (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$. Then we can factor $f$ as $f = xg = (xz^{n - 1} + lambda y^n)h$. If we substitute $x = 0$ then we can see that $f = xg = 0$. So indeed $f$ vanishes on the plane ${a = 0}$ in $k^3$.



          On the other hand, still keeping $x = 0$, we have $0 = f = lambda y^n h$. Now if we substitute $y = 0$ we can see that somehow $f$ is vanishing a second time. To make this more precise, the fact that $lambda y^n h(0,y,z) = 0$ means $h$ factors as $h = xh_0$ so that $f = (x z^{n - 1} + lambda y^{n-1})x h_0$ and now setting $y = 0$ we get $f = x^2z^{n - 1}$ which indeed vanishes doubly on the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$.



          Ignoring the geometric perspective, you can still see that we have shown that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n - 1} lambda y^n)$ (inside $k[x,y,z]$) implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.






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            Let $pi: k[x,y,z] rightarrow k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ be the canonical projection. Note that an ideal $J subseteq k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ is $0$ iff $pi^{-1}(J) subseteq (x^2, xy)$. Thus we don't really need to work in the factor ring at all. Rather, it suffices to show that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) subseteq k[x,y,z]$ implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            To do this, write $f = g(xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) = hx$ for some $g,h in k[x,y,z]$. Since $x$ is a prime element in $k[x,y,z]$, necessarily $x$ divides $g$ or $xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n$. The latter is clearly impossible, so $x$ divides $g$, and it follows quickly that $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            Note that we didn't need $k$ to be a field, it could have been any commutative ring.






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            Let $pi: k[x,y,z] rightarrow k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ be the canonical projection. Note that an ideal $J subseteq k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ is $0$ iff $pi^{-1}(J) subseteq (x^2, xy)$. Thus we don't really need to work in the factor ring at all. Rather, it suffices to show that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) subseteq k[x,y,z]$ implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            To do this, write $f = g(xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) = hx$ for some $g,h in k[x,y,z]$. Since $x$ is a prime element in $k[x,y,z]$, necessarily $x$ divides $g$ or $xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n$. The latter is clearly impossible, so $x$ divides $g$, and it follows quickly that $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            Note that we didn't need $k$ to be a field, it could have been any commutative ring.






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            Let $pi: k[x,y,z] rightarrow k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ be the canonical projection. Note that an ideal $J subseteq k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ is $0$ iff $pi^{-1}(J) subseteq (x^2, xy)$. Thus we don't really need to work in the factor ring at all. Rather, it suffices to show that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) subseteq k[x,y,z]$ implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            To do this, write $f = g(xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) = hx$ for some $g,h in k[x,y,z]$. Since $x$ is a prime element in $k[x,y,z]$, necessarily $x$ divides $g$ or $xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n$. The latter is clearly impossible, so $x$ divides $g$, and it follows quickly that $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            Note that we didn't need $k$ to be a field, it could have been any commutative ring.






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            Let $pi: k[x,y,z] rightarrow k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ be the canonical projection. Note that an ideal $J subseteq k[x,y,z]/(x^2, xy)$ is $0$ iff $pi^{-1}(J) subseteq (x^2, xy)$. Thus we don't really need to work in the factor ring at all. Rather, it suffices to show that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) subseteq k[x,y,z]$ implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            To do this, write $f = g(xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n) = hx$ for some $g,h in k[x,y,z]$. Since $x$ is a prime element in $k[x,y,z]$, necessarily $x$ divides $g$ or $xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n$. The latter is clearly impossible, so $x$ divides $g$, and it follows quickly that $f in (x^2, xy)$.



            Note that we didn't need $k$ to be a field, it could have been any commutative ring.







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            Thanks so much, this was really helpful!
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            Thanks so much, this was really helpful!
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            $begingroup$

            For a geometric perspective, we think of $R$ as the ring of polynomial functions on $X = operatorname{Spec} R$ which we can think of as ${(a,b,c) in k^3 : a^2 = ab = 0}$. This is contained inside the plane ${a = 0}$. But because of the square, there is a non-reduced structure. Namely, if $b = 0$ then $a^2 = 0$ is the only remaining equation and we think of this as having a doubled line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ inside $X$. Therefore $X$ is the plane ${a = 0}$ where the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ is doubled.



            To say that a function $f in R$ is zero now means that $f$ should vanish if we substitute $x = 0$ and should vanish "doubly" if we substitute $x = 0, y = 0$.



            So now let's say we have a function (i.e. polynomial) $f in (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$. Then we can factor $f$ as $f = xg = (xz^{n - 1} + lambda y^n)h$. If we substitute $x = 0$ then we can see that $f = xg = 0$. So indeed $f$ vanishes on the plane ${a = 0}$ in $k^3$.



            On the other hand, still keeping $x = 0$, we have $0 = f = lambda y^n h$. Now if we substitute $y = 0$ we can see that somehow $f$ is vanishing a second time. To make this more precise, the fact that $lambda y^n h(0,y,z) = 0$ means $h$ factors as $h = xh_0$ so that $f = (x z^{n - 1} + lambda y^{n-1})x h_0$ and now setting $y = 0$ we get $f = x^2z^{n - 1}$ which indeed vanishes doubly on the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$.



            Ignoring the geometric perspective, you can still see that we have shown that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n - 1} lambda y^n)$ (inside $k[x,y,z]$) implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.






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              $begingroup$

              For a geometric perspective, we think of $R$ as the ring of polynomial functions on $X = operatorname{Spec} R$ which we can think of as ${(a,b,c) in k^3 : a^2 = ab = 0}$. This is contained inside the plane ${a = 0}$. But because of the square, there is a non-reduced structure. Namely, if $b = 0$ then $a^2 = 0$ is the only remaining equation and we think of this as having a doubled line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ inside $X$. Therefore $X$ is the plane ${a = 0}$ where the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ is doubled.



              To say that a function $f in R$ is zero now means that $f$ should vanish if we substitute $x = 0$ and should vanish "doubly" if we substitute $x = 0, y = 0$.



              So now let's say we have a function (i.e. polynomial) $f in (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$. Then we can factor $f$ as $f = xg = (xz^{n - 1} + lambda y^n)h$. If we substitute $x = 0$ then we can see that $f = xg = 0$. So indeed $f$ vanishes on the plane ${a = 0}$ in $k^3$.



              On the other hand, still keeping $x = 0$, we have $0 = f = lambda y^n h$. Now if we substitute $y = 0$ we can see that somehow $f$ is vanishing a second time. To make this more precise, the fact that $lambda y^n h(0,y,z) = 0$ means $h$ factors as $h = xh_0$ so that $f = (x z^{n - 1} + lambda y^{n-1})x h_0$ and now setting $y = 0$ we get $f = x^2z^{n - 1}$ which indeed vanishes doubly on the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$.



              Ignoring the geometric perspective, you can still see that we have shown that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n - 1} lambda y^n)$ (inside $k[x,y,z]$) implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.






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                $begingroup$

                For a geometric perspective, we think of $R$ as the ring of polynomial functions on $X = operatorname{Spec} R$ which we can think of as ${(a,b,c) in k^3 : a^2 = ab = 0}$. This is contained inside the plane ${a = 0}$. But because of the square, there is a non-reduced structure. Namely, if $b = 0$ then $a^2 = 0$ is the only remaining equation and we think of this as having a doubled line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ inside $X$. Therefore $X$ is the plane ${a = 0}$ where the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ is doubled.



                To say that a function $f in R$ is zero now means that $f$ should vanish if we substitute $x = 0$ and should vanish "doubly" if we substitute $x = 0, y = 0$.



                So now let's say we have a function (i.e. polynomial) $f in (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$. Then we can factor $f$ as $f = xg = (xz^{n - 1} + lambda y^n)h$. If we substitute $x = 0$ then we can see that $f = xg = 0$. So indeed $f$ vanishes on the plane ${a = 0}$ in $k^3$.



                On the other hand, still keeping $x = 0$, we have $0 = f = lambda y^n h$. Now if we substitute $y = 0$ we can see that somehow $f$ is vanishing a second time. To make this more precise, the fact that $lambda y^n h(0,y,z) = 0$ means $h$ factors as $h = xh_0$ so that $f = (x z^{n - 1} + lambda y^{n-1})x h_0$ and now setting $y = 0$ we get $f = x^2z^{n - 1}$ which indeed vanishes doubly on the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$.



                Ignoring the geometric perspective, you can still see that we have shown that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n - 1} lambda y^n)$ (inside $k[x,y,z]$) implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                For a geometric perspective, we think of $R$ as the ring of polynomial functions on $X = operatorname{Spec} R$ which we can think of as ${(a,b,c) in k^3 : a^2 = ab = 0}$. This is contained inside the plane ${a = 0}$. But because of the square, there is a non-reduced structure. Namely, if $b = 0$ then $a^2 = 0$ is the only remaining equation and we think of this as having a doubled line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ inside $X$. Therefore $X$ is the plane ${a = 0}$ where the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$ is doubled.



                To say that a function $f in R$ is zero now means that $f$ should vanish if we substitute $x = 0$ and should vanish "doubly" if we substitute $x = 0, y = 0$.



                So now let's say we have a function (i.e. polynomial) $f in (x)cap (xz^{n-1} + lambda y^n)$. Then we can factor $f$ as $f = xg = (xz^{n - 1} + lambda y^n)h$. If we substitute $x = 0$ then we can see that $f = xg = 0$. So indeed $f$ vanishes on the plane ${a = 0}$ in $k^3$.



                On the other hand, still keeping $x = 0$, we have $0 = f = lambda y^n h$. Now if we substitute $y = 0$ we can see that somehow $f$ is vanishing a second time. To make this more precise, the fact that $lambda y^n h(0,y,z) = 0$ means $h$ factors as $h = xh_0$ so that $f = (x z^{n - 1} + lambda y^{n-1})x h_0$ and now setting $y = 0$ we get $f = x^2z^{n - 1}$ which indeed vanishes doubly on the line ${a = 0, b = 0}$.



                Ignoring the geometric perspective, you can still see that we have shown that $f in (x) cap (xz^{n - 1} lambda y^n)$ (inside $k[x,y,z]$) implies $f in (x^2, xy)$.







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