What to do if you notice a substantial improvement to a result in a paper whilst refereeing it?
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What would you do/have you done in such a situation?
Hand out the improvement for free in your report
Wait until the result is published and then submit elsewhere
Inform the editor about the situation and ask for advice
The paper is not posted publicly so contacting the authors directly informing them and asking what they want to do is out of the question.
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What would you do/have you done in such a situation?
Hand out the improvement for free in your report
Wait until the result is published and then submit elsewhere
Inform the editor about the situation and ask for advice
The paper is not posted publicly so contacting the authors directly informing them and asking what they want to do is out of the question.
soft-question journals
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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– user129564
Dec 9 '18 at 17:51
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
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What would you do/have you done in such a situation?
Hand out the improvement for free in your report
Wait until the result is published and then submit elsewhere
Inform the editor about the situation and ask for advice
The paper is not posted publicly so contacting the authors directly informing them and asking what they want to do is out of the question.
soft-question journals
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What would you do/have you done in such a situation?
Hand out the improvement for free in your report
Wait until the result is published and then submit elsewhere
Inform the editor about the situation and ask for advice
The paper is not posted publicly so contacting the authors directly informing them and asking what they want to do is out of the question.
soft-question journals
soft-question journals
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Hercule Poirot
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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– user129564
Dec 9 '18 at 17:51
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:34
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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– user129564
Dec 9 '18 at 17:51
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:34
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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– user129564
Dec 9 '18 at 17:51
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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– user129564
Dec 9 '18 at 17:51
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:34
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
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Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case. As pointed out in the remarks, it is likely to lead to an offer of co-authorship from the original author, but that is purely within the author's discretion. If you feel that your improvement is really substantial and you are worried about credit you can try to increase the chances of co-authorship by asking the editor to put you in contact with the author (after explaining the situation to the editor). You may then discuss this with the author directly and suggest co-authorship, a situation in which the author is more likely to accept (but they still may insist to refuse, in which case you should give them the idea "for free"). If your improvement is sufficiently significant and novel that not getting credit for it seems an unacceptable injustice, then what you can do is wait for the paper to be published (or accepted and online) and then write to the author with your idea of improvement and suggest co-authorship for a second paper. Here of course if they refuse you can publish alone. In any case, you should not submit your own paper without giving the original author a chance of co-authorship. That would be rather unprofessional.
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Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
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My advise: don't do 3) in any case. It is up to you to decide, not the editor. The rest depends on the paper and on the improvement.
Would you recommend to accept the paper as is?
Suppose the answer is yes. Now imagine that you see this paper published, and you see how to make an improvement. Would you publish this improvement as a separate paper of your own? If yes, then do 2). If not, do 1).You think the paper in its present state is not worth publishing but your improvement will make it worth. Then do 1). Then it is likely that the author of the paper will propose you joint authorship. And you may agree or not.
If you think that the paper does not deserve to be published (with the improvement or without). Then recommend to reject and do nothing else.
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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If you have tenure, or even a tenure-track job, I'd definitely advise just doing 1. If you're in a less secure job position and the improved result is really good, I'd suggest doing roughly 3. That is you tell the editor "I think I can significantly improve the main result, do you think it would be appropriate for me to suggest this improvement non-anonymously to the authors?
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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I strongly support the above answers listed below. This is what I do and this is what other referees did with some of my papers:
fedja: I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
Nicholas Kuhn: Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
Yonatan Harpaz: Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case.
However, sometimes an improvement is a jump from a 5 pages long paper to a 50 pages one. Let me say what happened to me once.
I refereed a paper of X. I liked the result and recommend it being published. But I also realized that the topic (not the method used in the paper) can lead to far better results. I asked Y (my student, postdoc or colleague) to work on it (the original paper has already been published). Then X submitted an $varepsilon$ improvement of the previous result. That was a much weaker result than what I and Y could prove. What should I do? This is what I did:
I wrote to X asking them to withdraw the paper from the journal and join our team. The outcome was a win for everyone: I and Y were motivated by the work of X, and X became a coauthor of a very good paper, much better than their $varepsilon$ improvement.
My advice is: be honest and straightforward and never let yourself go to the grey area as otherwise, sooner of later, you will have enemies. Sometimes it might mean giving up on your own ideas by leading others to improve their results. Well, someone will pay it pack, eventually.
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Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case. As pointed out in the remarks, it is likely to lead to an offer of co-authorship from the original author, but that is purely within the author's discretion. If you feel that your improvement is really substantial and you are worried about credit you can try to increase the chances of co-authorship by asking the editor to put you in contact with the author (after explaining the situation to the editor). You may then discuss this with the author directly and suggest co-authorship, a situation in which the author is more likely to accept (but they still may insist to refuse, in which case you should give them the idea "for free"). If your improvement is sufficiently significant and novel that not getting credit for it seems an unacceptable injustice, then what you can do is wait for the paper to be published (or accepted and online) and then write to the author with your idea of improvement and suggest co-authorship for a second paper. Here of course if they refuse you can publish alone. In any case, you should not submit your own paper without giving the original author a chance of co-authorship. That would be rather unprofessional.
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Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case. As pointed out in the remarks, it is likely to lead to an offer of co-authorship from the original author, but that is purely within the author's discretion. If you feel that your improvement is really substantial and you are worried about credit you can try to increase the chances of co-authorship by asking the editor to put you in contact with the author (after explaining the situation to the editor). You may then discuss this with the author directly and suggest co-authorship, a situation in which the author is more likely to accept (but they still may insist to refuse, in which case you should give them the idea "for free"). If your improvement is sufficiently significant and novel that not getting credit for it seems an unacceptable injustice, then what you can do is wait for the paper to be published (or accepted and online) and then write to the author with your idea of improvement and suggest co-authorship for a second paper. Here of course if they refuse you can publish alone. In any case, you should not submit your own paper without giving the original author a chance of co-authorship. That would be rather unprofessional.
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add a comment |
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Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case. As pointed out in the remarks, it is likely to lead to an offer of co-authorship from the original author, but that is purely within the author's discretion. If you feel that your improvement is really substantial and you are worried about credit you can try to increase the chances of co-authorship by asking the editor to put you in contact with the author (after explaining the situation to the editor). You may then discuss this with the author directly and suggest co-authorship, a situation in which the author is more likely to accept (but they still may insist to refuse, in which case you should give them the idea "for free"). If your improvement is sufficiently significant and novel that not getting credit for it seems an unacceptable injustice, then what you can do is wait for the paper to be published (or accepted and online) and then write to the author with your idea of improvement and suggest co-authorship for a second paper. Here of course if they refuse you can publish alone. In any case, you should not submit your own paper without giving the original author a chance of co-authorship. That would be rather unprofessional.
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Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case. As pointed out in the remarks, it is likely to lead to an offer of co-authorship from the original author, but that is purely within the author's discretion. If you feel that your improvement is really substantial and you are worried about credit you can try to increase the chances of co-authorship by asking the editor to put you in contact with the author (after explaining the situation to the editor). You may then discuss this with the author directly and suggest co-authorship, a situation in which the author is more likely to accept (but they still may insist to refuse, in which case you should give them the idea "for free"). If your improvement is sufficiently significant and novel that not getting credit for it seems an unacceptable injustice, then what you can do is wait for the paper to be published (or accepted and online) and then write to the author with your idea of improvement and suggest co-authorship for a second paper. Here of course if they refuse you can publish alone. In any case, you should not submit your own paper without giving the original author a chance of co-authorship. That would be rather unprofessional.
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Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
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Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
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Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
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Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
answered Dec 10 '18 at 4:23
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My advise: don't do 3) in any case. It is up to you to decide, not the editor. The rest depends on the paper and on the improvement.
Would you recommend to accept the paper as is?
Suppose the answer is yes. Now imagine that you see this paper published, and you see how to make an improvement. Would you publish this improvement as a separate paper of your own? If yes, then do 2). If not, do 1).You think the paper in its present state is not worth publishing but your improvement will make it worth. Then do 1). Then it is likely that the author of the paper will propose you joint authorship. And you may agree or not.
If you think that the paper does not deserve to be published (with the improvement or without). Then recommend to reject and do nothing else.
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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My advise: don't do 3) in any case. It is up to you to decide, not the editor. The rest depends on the paper and on the improvement.
Would you recommend to accept the paper as is?
Suppose the answer is yes. Now imagine that you see this paper published, and you see how to make an improvement. Would you publish this improvement as a separate paper of your own? If yes, then do 2). If not, do 1).You think the paper in its present state is not worth publishing but your improvement will make it worth. Then do 1). Then it is likely that the author of the paper will propose you joint authorship. And you may agree or not.
If you think that the paper does not deserve to be published (with the improvement or without). Then recommend to reject and do nothing else.
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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My advise: don't do 3) in any case. It is up to you to decide, not the editor. The rest depends on the paper and on the improvement.
Would you recommend to accept the paper as is?
Suppose the answer is yes. Now imagine that you see this paper published, and you see how to make an improvement. Would you publish this improvement as a separate paper of your own? If yes, then do 2). If not, do 1).You think the paper in its present state is not worth publishing but your improvement will make it worth. Then do 1). Then it is likely that the author of the paper will propose you joint authorship. And you may agree or not.
If you think that the paper does not deserve to be published (with the improvement or without). Then recommend to reject and do nothing else.
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My advise: don't do 3) in any case. It is up to you to decide, not the editor. The rest depends on the paper and on the improvement.
Would you recommend to accept the paper as is?
Suppose the answer is yes. Now imagine that you see this paper published, and you see how to make an improvement. Would you publish this improvement as a separate paper of your own? If yes, then do 2). If not, do 1).You think the paper in its present state is not worth publishing but your improvement will make it worth. Then do 1). Then it is likely that the author of the paper will propose you joint authorship. And you may agree or not.
If you think that the paper does not deserve to be published (with the improvement or without). Then recommend to reject and do nothing else.
answered Dec 10 '18 at 3:58
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Alexandre Eremenko
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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Thanks this is quite helpful, my feeling is that it is somewhere between your 1. and 2. so my 1) is the best option forward.
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:33
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2
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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Asking for advice to the editor does not mean that the editor decides...
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– YCor
Dec 10 '18 at 23:39
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If you have tenure, or even a tenure-track job, I'd definitely advise just doing 1. If you're in a less secure job position and the improved result is really good, I'd suggest doing roughly 3. That is you tell the editor "I think I can significantly improve the main result, do you think it would be appropriate for me to suggest this improvement non-anonymously to the authors?
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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If you have tenure, or even a tenure-track job, I'd definitely advise just doing 1. If you're in a less secure job position and the improved result is really good, I'd suggest doing roughly 3. That is you tell the editor "I think I can significantly improve the main result, do you think it would be appropriate for me to suggest this improvement non-anonymously to the authors?
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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If you have tenure, or even a tenure-track job, I'd definitely advise just doing 1. If you're in a less secure job position and the improved result is really good, I'd suggest doing roughly 3. That is you tell the editor "I think I can significantly improve the main result, do you think it would be appropriate for me to suggest this improvement non-anonymously to the authors?
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If you have tenure, or even a tenure-track job, I'd definitely advise just doing 1. If you're in a less secure job position and the improved result is really good, I'd suggest doing roughly 3. That is you tell the editor "I think I can significantly improve the main result, do you think it would be appropriate for me to suggest this improvement non-anonymously to the authors?
answered Dec 10 '18 at 22:08
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Noah Snyder
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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2
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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that makes sense, I am in a secure job, I will go for 1)
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 22:20
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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Never do 3. That puts an editor in an awkward situation. Do what you think is right to do and then take responsibility for your actions. I am editor in some journals and I would hate you for using the third option.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
Jan 18 at 18:16
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I strongly support the above answers listed below. This is what I do and this is what other referees did with some of my papers:
fedja: I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
Nicholas Kuhn: Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
Yonatan Harpaz: Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case.
However, sometimes an improvement is a jump from a 5 pages long paper to a 50 pages one. Let me say what happened to me once.
I refereed a paper of X. I liked the result and recommend it being published. But I also realized that the topic (not the method used in the paper) can lead to far better results. I asked Y (my student, postdoc or colleague) to work on it (the original paper has already been published). Then X submitted an $varepsilon$ improvement of the previous result. That was a much weaker result than what I and Y could prove. What should I do? This is what I did:
I wrote to X asking them to withdraw the paper from the journal and join our team. The outcome was a win for everyone: I and Y were motivated by the work of X, and X became a coauthor of a very good paper, much better than their $varepsilon$ improvement.
My advice is: be honest and straightforward and never let yourself go to the grey area as otherwise, sooner of later, you will have enemies. Sometimes it might mean giving up on your own ideas by leading others to improve their results. Well, someone will pay it pack, eventually.
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I strongly support the above answers listed below. This is what I do and this is what other referees did with some of my papers:
fedja: I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
Nicholas Kuhn: Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
Yonatan Harpaz: Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case.
However, sometimes an improvement is a jump from a 5 pages long paper to a 50 pages one. Let me say what happened to me once.
I refereed a paper of X. I liked the result and recommend it being published. But I also realized that the topic (not the method used in the paper) can lead to far better results. I asked Y (my student, postdoc or colleague) to work on it (the original paper has already been published). Then X submitted an $varepsilon$ improvement of the previous result. That was a much weaker result than what I and Y could prove. What should I do? This is what I did:
I wrote to X asking them to withdraw the paper from the journal and join our team. The outcome was a win for everyone: I and Y were motivated by the work of X, and X became a coauthor of a very good paper, much better than their $varepsilon$ improvement.
My advice is: be honest and straightforward and never let yourself go to the grey area as otherwise, sooner of later, you will have enemies. Sometimes it might mean giving up on your own ideas by leading others to improve their results. Well, someone will pay it pack, eventually.
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I strongly support the above answers listed below. This is what I do and this is what other referees did with some of my papers:
fedja: I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
Nicholas Kuhn: Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
Yonatan Harpaz: Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case.
However, sometimes an improvement is a jump from a 5 pages long paper to a 50 pages one. Let me say what happened to me once.
I refereed a paper of X. I liked the result and recommend it being published. But I also realized that the topic (not the method used in the paper) can lead to far better results. I asked Y (my student, postdoc or colleague) to work on it (the original paper has already been published). Then X submitted an $varepsilon$ improvement of the previous result. That was a much weaker result than what I and Y could prove. What should I do? This is what I did:
I wrote to X asking them to withdraw the paper from the journal and join our team. The outcome was a win for everyone: I and Y were motivated by the work of X, and X became a coauthor of a very good paper, much better than their $varepsilon$ improvement.
My advice is: be honest and straightforward and never let yourself go to the grey area as otherwise, sooner of later, you will have enemies. Sometimes it might mean giving up on your own ideas by leading others to improve their results. Well, someone will pay it pack, eventually.
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I strongly support the above answers listed below. This is what I do and this is what other referees did with some of my papers:
fedja: I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
Nicholas Kuhn: Just do (1), and pat yourself on the back!
Yonatan Harpaz: Option (1) is definitely the professional course of action in this case.
However, sometimes an improvement is a jump from a 5 pages long paper to a 50 pages one. Let me say what happened to me once.
I refereed a paper of X. I liked the result and recommend it being published. But I also realized that the topic (not the method used in the paper) can lead to far better results. I asked Y (my student, postdoc or colleague) to work on it (the original paper has already been published). Then X submitted an $varepsilon$ improvement of the previous result. That was a much weaker result than what I and Y could prove. What should I do? This is what I did:
I wrote to X asking them to withdraw the paper from the journal and join our team. The outcome was a win for everyone: I and Y were motivated by the work of X, and X became a coauthor of a very good paper, much better than their $varepsilon$ improvement.
My advice is: be honest and straightforward and never let yourself go to the grey area as otherwise, sooner of later, you will have enemies. Sometimes it might mean giving up on your own ideas by leading others to improve their results. Well, someone will pay it pack, eventually.
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Perhaps not the same, but these questions on Academia Stack Exchange seem related: A manuscript I refereed gave me an idea for a paper, not sure how to proceed and How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?
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– Martin Sleziak
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I invariably do #1. Usually that is reciprocated with an offer of co-authorship, which I accept or decline based on the circumstances.
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– fedja
Dec 9 '18 at 16:15
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This very much depends on the nature of the improvement, and the people involved. I can imagine myself doing all three, in different circumstances.
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– Mark Grant
Dec 9 '18 at 16:27
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This happened to a paper I submitted awhile ago. The referring report came out with a simpler proof and and an improvement on the result. I felt that the improvements were substantial, and I asked the editor to ask the referee whether they would accept to coauthor the paper. They did (it turned out the improvement was a joint effort between 2 referees), and the paper appeared shortly after with three authors. In my mind this was the most fair outcome.
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I don't see how I would develop a professional relationship given that I am anonymous or do you mean with the editor?
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– Hercule Poirot
Dec 10 '18 at 8:34