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Included in the defintion of the Markov process is the following



$text{ for } x in mathbb{R}^d,s,t ge 0, Gamma in mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}^d)$
$$,
P^x[X_{t+s} in Gamma mid X_s=y]=P^y[X_t in Gamma],P^xX_s^{-1}text{- a.s.} y
$$



Now what is bothering me is that if $X_s$ has a continuous density this conditional probability is not well defined as the set ${X_s=y}$ has measure zero for all $y$. But for any nice stochastic process to be markov, it has to satisfy this condition(and some others which I havent written here). How do I resolve this paradox?










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    Included in the defintion of the Markov process is the following



    $text{ for } x in mathbb{R}^d,s,t ge 0, Gamma in mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}^d)$
    $$,
    P^x[X_{t+s} in Gamma mid X_s=y]=P^y[X_t in Gamma],P^xX_s^{-1}text{- a.s.} y
    $$



    Now what is bothering me is that if $X_s$ has a continuous density this conditional probability is not well defined as the set ${X_s=y}$ has measure zero for all $y$. But for any nice stochastic process to be markov, it has to satisfy this condition(and some others which I havent written here). How do I resolve this paradox?










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      Included in the defintion of the Markov process is the following



      $text{ for } x in mathbb{R}^d,s,t ge 0, Gamma in mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}^d)$
      $$,
      P^x[X_{t+s} in Gamma mid X_s=y]=P^y[X_t in Gamma],P^xX_s^{-1}text{- a.s.} y
      $$



      Now what is bothering me is that if $X_s$ has a continuous density this conditional probability is not well defined as the set ${X_s=y}$ has measure zero for all $y$. But for any nice stochastic process to be markov, it has to satisfy this condition(and some others which I havent written here). How do I resolve this paradox?










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      Included in the defintion of the Markov process is the following



      $text{ for } x in mathbb{R}^d,s,t ge 0, Gamma in mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}^d)$
      $$,
      P^x[X_{t+s} in Gamma mid X_s=y]=P^y[X_t in Gamma],P^xX_s^{-1}text{- a.s.} y
      $$



      Now what is bothering me is that if $X_s$ has a continuous density this conditional probability is not well defined as the set ${X_s=y}$ has measure zero for all $y$. But for any nice stochastic process to be markov, it has to satisfy this condition(and some others which I havent written here). How do I resolve this paradox?







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          We can write $P^{}[X_{t+s}in Gamma |X_s]$ as $f(X_s)$ for some measurable function $f$. In Markov property LHS is interpreted as $f(y)$.






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          • Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
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            Nov 28 at 10:15






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            Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
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          We can write $P^{}[X_{t+s}in Gamma |X_s]$ as $f(X_s)$ for some measurable function $f$. In Markov property LHS is interpreted as $f(y)$.






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          • Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:15






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            Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Nov 28 at 10:18










          • Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:25















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          We can write $P^{}[X_{t+s}in Gamma |X_s]$ as $f(X_s)$ for some measurable function $f$. In Markov property LHS is interpreted as $f(y)$.






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          • Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:15






          • 1




            Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Nov 28 at 10:18










          • Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:25













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          We can write $P^{}[X_{t+s}in Gamma |X_s]$ as $f(X_s)$ for some measurable function $f$. In Markov property LHS is interpreted as $f(y)$.







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          • Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:15






          • 1




            Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Nov 28 at 10:18










          • Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:25


















          • Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:15






          • 1




            Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Nov 28 at 10:18










          • Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
            – user3503589
            Nov 28 at 10:25
















          Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
          – user3503589
          Nov 28 at 10:15




          Thank you for the quick answer. I was wondering if you have some advise on reading more about the makor and strong markov property in a fashion similar to Brownian Motion and stochastic calculus by Karatazas and Shreve. I apologize if this comment is inappropriate
          – user3503589
          Nov 28 at 10:15




          1




          1




          Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
          – Kavi Rama Murthy
          Nov 28 at 10:18




          Lectures from Markov Processes to Brownian Motion by KL Chung may be on interest to you.
          – Kavi Rama Murthy
          Nov 28 at 10:18












          Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
          – user3503589
          Nov 28 at 10:25




          Thank you very much . I just downloaded it
          – user3503589
          Nov 28 at 10:25


















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