Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
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I'm not a historian, but this is a very common claim that crops up in debates over God's existence and religious scripture. What is the opinion of the community of professional historians?
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I'm not a historian, but this is a very common claim that crops up in debates over God's existence and religious scripture. What is the opinion of the community of professional historians?
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Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
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While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
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@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
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Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
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@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
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I'm not a historian, but this is a very common claim that crops up in debates over God's existence and religious scripture. What is the opinion of the community of professional historians?
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I'm not a historian, but this is a very common claim that crops up in debates over God's existence and religious scripture. What is the opinion of the community of professional historians?
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Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
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While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
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@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
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Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
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@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
– Neil Meyer
Nov 28 at 17:51
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Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
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While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
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@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
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Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
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@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
– Neil Meyer
Nov 28 at 17:51
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Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
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While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
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@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
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Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
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@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
– Neil Meyer
Nov 28 at 17:51
@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
– Neil Meyer
Nov 28 at 17:51
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The idea that "most wars are caused by religion" is trivially false. From what I can see, this is a rhetoric rooted in a critique of theism, rather than serious historical analysis. Even a casual survey of history shows most wars had little to nothing to do with religious differences - according to quasi-original research on Wikipedia, only 6.98% of known conflicts were religious.
To my knowledge, there has been no formal polling of academics on the subject. Nonetheless, we may infer a prevailing opinion of historians from their research. While existing works only examine the modern period, they all point to the same conclusion: Territory, not religion, is the most common cause of war.
Territorial disputes is the leading cause of war throughout the centuries. Source: Holsti, Kalevi J. Peace and War: Armed Conflicts and International Order, 1648-1989. Cambridge University Press, 1991.
(Although the works cited below are time-limited, there is no obvious reason to believe the underlying patterns of wars would be significantly different in the pre-modern world. Even the Muslim Conquests or the Christian Crusades were isolated and punctuated by many non-religious conflicts. The European Wars of Religion were a historical aberration, not the norm.)
First, let's consider the analysis of modern wars by Evan Luard. He divided post-1400 history into five periods and noted that the primary causes of war shifted over time. To briefly summarise, his findings were:
- Age of Dynasties (1400-1559): conflicts over territory were linked to dynastic claims.
- Age of Religion (1559-1648): religious conflicts triggered conflicts over territory, but non-religious wars of opportunity also took place.
- Age of Reason (1648-1789): religion vanished as a cause of war, to be replaced by conflicts over strategic territories and dynastic succession.
- Age of Nationalism (1789-1917): wars became increasingly linked to identity and national independence - territories were a common cause of war in colonial empires, Latin America as well as the Far East.
- Age of Ideology (1917-1986): political ideology dominated the causes of war.
However, other historians have noted that:
[W]hile Luard declines to nominate territory as the dominant factor throughout the centuries, nevertheless, territorial issues keep cropping up in his analysis - in connection with issues of succession, dynastic disputes, or state creation. Thus, Luard probably underestimates the importance of territorial issues in fomenting wars.
Cashman, Greg. What Causes War?: an introduction to theories of international conflict. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2013.
Luard's analysis is evaluative rather than qualitative. For the latter, consider the survey by Kalevi Holsti in 1991. He divided the post-Westphalia history of conflict into five periods and attempted to classify their causes into rather narrow categories. The results were as follows:
As you can see,
"Territorial issues" are the only ones that have been among the dominant issues in each of the periods [1648-1714, 1715-1814, 1815-1914, 1914-41, and 1945-89]. In four of the five periods, more wars have involved territorial issues than any other kind of issue, exceeded only in 1815-1914 by the "maintain the integrity of state/empire" issue, which is an issue obviously related to territorial concerns.
Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
In contrast, as you can see from the table, religion began at only 6% and has steadily declined since then. This is dwarfed by the number of wars over control of land or resources, even in our current period when territorial conflicts are at a historical low. As the following table demonstrates that territorial disputes constitute the vast majority of all wars since Westphalia:
Source: Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Of course, Holsti's analysis began only after the European Wars of Religion, identified by Luard as the same period religious differences were a leading cause of war. Nonetheless, the fact that religion all but disappeared as a cause for war in the centuries since is strong prima facie evidence against the claim that it could have caused "most wars".
Fundamentally speaking, wars are nearly always driven by some kind of self-interest. Land, historically near synonymous with wealth, was of prime interest to most polities. Consequently - without discounting the genuine effects faith may have on true believers - religious (as well as ideological, nationalistic, etc) reasons are just as likely a source of legitimacy for using force, as it is a motivation in and of itself.
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
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Nov 28 at 10:27
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
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Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
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Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
No, historians have not formed such a consensus. There are numerous scholarly works reaching back 5 millennia demonstrating that this belief is apocryphal. This work demonstrates religion historically has played a small role in wars either as a major or minor cause.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars?
History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely if ever, based on religion.
...an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
A Different source: The Encyclopedia of War edited by Gordon Martel says if one excludes 40 little understood internal wars fought by the Islamic Caliphate religious wars drop to only 3% of all wars in its pages.
Institute for Economics and Peace issued a report in 2014 which further supports these numbers.
So Historians, reviewing 5 millennia worth of war, have reached the opposite conclusion. Religion is a reason for war, but not the reason for most wars.
Wars are often blamed on a single reason but typically caused by a combination of reasons. Yes Religion is among the reasons historically countries go to war, it is even a primary cause of some conflicts like the Crusades, Thirty Years' War, and the Lebanese War 1975-1990 Religion is not the primary reason historically speaking for most wars.
Common (major and minor) Reasons for War:
- Economic gain: (oil, natural gas, nickel, etc ).
Anglo-Indian Wars (1766-1849)
A series of wars fought by British East India Company leading to the colonization of India.
The Winter War (1939-1940)
The Soviet Union invaded Finland in order to control the nickel mines.
The American Revolution
For America a revolutionary war, for the French who allied with the United States against Britain it was fought over trade routes and commerce. The French involvement began first with a trade agreement with the Colonies and only after that was signed a declaration for French military assistance against Britain.
WWII, in the Pacific
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in order to seize commodities in Asia.
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Iraq invaded Kuwait to seize the oil and alleviate their war debt with the Kingdom.
South China Sea
The ongoing dispute with China over the South China Sea, It's about 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to exist in the disputed territory.
- Territorial Gain
Mexican-American War (1846-1848). It was a land grab. The slogan manifest destiny spoke to the United States desire to become a two Ocean country. (Atlantic and Pacific). The War facilitated the United States purchase of what is now the American South West as well as California.
Arab-Israeli War or "Six Day War" (1967-1988)
After years of small-scale conflict when Egypt blockaded the straight of Tiran, Israel attacked gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and Golan Heights effectively tripling the size of the Israeli state.- Russia's invasion of the Crimea (2014)
- Nationalism
- World War I
- Revenge
World War II (invasion of France by Germany)
One of Hitler's stated reasons for invading France was to reverse the Treaty of Paris which ended WWII which he felt treated Germany unfairly and was a factor in Germany's impoverishment in the interwar period. He met with French representatives in the same train car which hosted the WWI summit which ended the Great War and even had the memorial in Paris to the historic treaty blown up.
- Civil Wars and or Revolutions
Fought over disputes which arise internally to countries or over a change of leadership.
- American Civil War (1861-1865)
- Russian Civil War (1917-1923)
- Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
- Korean War (1950-1953)
- French Revolution (1789-1799)
- Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)
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Steven Burnap
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China, as well as their invasion of the Philippines, was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
@Steven Burnap, Hitler's book Mein Kampf, was written in two volumes, The first volume, entitled Die Abrechnung (“The Settlement [of Accounts],” or “Revenge”), calls for revenge against France for its destruction of Germany's first and second Reichs.
Specifically, Hitler discusses the 30 Years War in which Germany's first Reich (Holy Roman Empire) was eviscerated by the French in 1648, with the Peace of Westphalia. Secondly and famously the treatment of Germany in the surrender documents ending WWI which both impoverished Germany in the interwar period and ended Germany's second Reich, Imperial Germany ()1871–1918 ending Kaiser Wilhelm and the end of WWI.
In Hitler's first volume he dedicates the title to the major theme of his foreign policy. Revenge against France. To your point Hitler also discusses "Lebensraum" in his first volume, the need for "Living Space" for Germany and says Germany will gain this in the east at the expense of the Slavs: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia.
A major stated goal of Hitler's Third Reich was to address the downfall of the first and second German Reichs at the hands of the French. In June of 1940, Hitler drove this point home with what National Geographic calls his Revenge Treaty in which France surrenders to Germany June of 1940. Hitler held the surrender ceremony in the same boxcar in which France had hosted Germany's surrender in WWI. Designed the entire venue to embarrass the French referencing Germany's previous treatment by the then victorious French in WWI. Just after this ceremony Hitler personally ordered Frances Rethondes Clearing memorial to WWI's German surrender blown up with dynamite.
As for Japan's war in China, I don't dispute what you say. What I said was Japan attacked the United States, Dec 7, 1941, over oil. The attack was to clear obstacles to Japan's real target of that offensive, the Dutch East Indies -- now Indonesia.
On July 26, 1941, the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order which froze Japan's assets in the United States and cut Japan off from 93% of their Oil all of which was imported. Japan had about a year and a half of oil in their strategic reserve and after that, they would not be able to continue their war in China. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941; and invaded Dutch East Indies Dec 8th to secure what was then the 4th largest oil exporter in the world behind the U.S., Iran, and Romania and guarantee Japan would be energy independent.
Japan also gained access to rubber production facilities and iron mines both of which were important, but oil was the most important material they seized in the days after Pearl Harbor.
Japan's Dutch East India Campaign
Access to oil was one of the linchpins of the Japanese war effort, as Japan has no native source of oil;15 it could not even produce enough to meet even 10% of its needs,13 even with the extraction of oil shale in Manchuria using the Fushun process.16 Japan quickly lost 93 percent of its oil supply after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order on 26 July 1941 which froze all of Japan's U.S. assets and embargoed all oil exports to Japan.17 In addition, the Dutch government in exile, at the urging of the Allies and with the support of Queen Wilhelmina, broke its economic treaty with Japan and joined the embargo in August.15 Japan's military and economic reserves included only a year and a half's worth of oil.13 As a U.S. declaration of war against Japan was feared if the latter took the East Indies, the Japanese planned to eliminate the U.S. Pacific Fleet, allowing them to overtake the islands; this led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
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@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
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@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
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There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
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In addition to the good answers given already, I'd like to point out that wars are typically not mono-causal. Very often, several reasons as well as causes (i.e. sparks that light the fire) come together for a war to start.
In addition, the reasons given in public are often not the actual reasons. There are a number of explicitly religious wars (the Islamic conquests of Europe, the European answer aka The Crusades). In many other wars, religion played a role in the "us vs. them" sense - religion is one of the factors that bind people together and separates them from other people, just like language, skin colour, etc. It is easier to start a war against "others" than against "like us".
And finally, there are many parties involved in wars. The head of state might declare the war, but there are so many different people with interests involved and for some of them a financial profit might be important, for some of the territorial gains, and for some of the religion. These goals also change during the course of a war or in parts of the war. For example, JMS gave "revenge" as the reason for WW2, but the attack on Russia had other reasons, and the war in North Africa was purely for resources. Meanwhile, WW2 also had the Asian part with Japan as the aggressor, which again had different reasons to start their part.
Identifying one reason for a specific war is most likely an oversimplification. So the question as phrased doesn't even make sense because it asks to identify a mono-causal relationship which in reality does not exist.
Religion certainly played in role in most pre-modern-times wars, though it was more often used as a cover for a more simple desire (taking land, resources, disputes over hierarchy or succession, etc.) than the other way around.
I'm not a professional historian, just interested in history. From what I've found in books and other resources, historians would not, in general, agree that anything is the #1 source of wars, simply because wars are not so easy. That begins with the difference between reason and cause - between what the background of the conflict is and what often small spark caused the conflict to finally erupt. WW1 is a good example for that, it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but if that hadn't happened, something else would have most likely caused the war that everyone was pretty much waiting for.
That makes it difficult to ascertain if religion contributes to that background. For the king or whoever, it is certainly easier to start a war if he can also add religious reasons to the motivation. The 30 years war is an example where religion played a major role, but many other often regional causes added to the mix until the whole thing exploded.
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The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
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@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
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@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
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@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
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@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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Q Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
Most historians agree that most wars cannot be described with a monocausal reason.
There is a big bunch of problems associated with asking the question in this way. Definitions, conceptualisations, perspective, timeframe and grammar are all undetermined or off. Is this about whether the claim as such is true or about an assumed majority opinion of historians; now or previously?
Just a thought: Who started the Global War on Terrorism? The Americans? Al-Qaeda? For what reasons (aka "cause")? Is religion the main causative motivator for the American led forces? Is it for "the other side"? Perhaps a minority might answer yes to religion as a motivator for American forces, but surely most will accept the narrative that bin-Laden and his followers were primarily religion motivated? Or do they emphasise his apology that he became offended when American troops were stationed on Saudi-Arabian soil, making this again about land and territory, 'holy' or not? But perhaps it is different yet?
Bush’s war openly remains a cosmic battle between nothing less than the transcendent forces of good and evil. Such a battle is necessarily unlimited and open-ended, and so justifies radical actions–the abandonment, for example, of established notions of civic justice at home and of traditional alliances abroad.
James Carrol: "The Bush Crusade. Sacred violence, again unleashed in 2001, could prove as destructive as in 1096.", The Nation, September 2, 2004
Historians do not always agree on a subject matter of the past. Historians diverge very widely if it is about how to apply those insights from the past to the present day. If you want to know historians view on what the reasons for war are, then a number of people will say this or that.
Samuel Huntington, for example, views that civilisations or cultures are clashing –– and were for some time now. The main differentiator of a culture by this definition is its religion. Therefore, those sympathising with the Huntington school assume that most wars are caused ultimately by religion.
But leaving aside the semantics over grammar and resultant meaning of "are caused", it seems that there still is an anachronistic and eurocentric vision dominating the way this question was to be answered here.
This question is about religion in general, not about Christianity, Islam or any form of monotheistic religion? Then religion is a prime motivator for ingroup-outgroup behaviour. It represents the core of order for any civilisation against the chaos. And therefore for war in general. We do not have to reduce "religion" to "any form of some belief" to approach the problem. Otherwise, it gets trivial: "we believe that this strip of land belongs to us, we believe to need that etc"; we believe capitalism to be so much better for mankind".
Going into a structuralist or functionalist mindset we might say that sure, religion needs a base from which to perform. So a religious motive is in reality about power, and that is about power over the inhabitants, and that is over the lands on which those inhabitants live. Muslim expansion is then nothing about any form of to invent or develop a form of Islam, just land grabbing of Arab conquistadors who happened to eventually provide an ideological superstructure to justify the new rule and system of power distribution and organise a changed set of alliances between rulers and ruled.
If we ask the propagandists for war from the past, then we have to first reflect on the nature of state and religion in general. It was indistinguishable. Romans fought a bellum sacrum, Christians had Crusades against Muslims, Albigensers, Prussians; earlier Charlemagne brought Christianity by sword to the Saxons, native Americans; Muslims conquer India, Hindus fight the Muslims, English Christians wanted to mission the world with tea, opium and Christianity for the betterment of humanity. Muslims have their jihad to this day. The Incas were weakened when Christian Spanish arrived to conquer those pagans because of a civil war to determine who really was the legitimate descendant of Inti, the sun.
Mayans had their star wars, Aztecs flower wars. The latter from a modern perspective for no particular reason, other than to capture people to be used in human sacrifice. That looks as if there is nothing else but a religious motivation in those kinds of wars. Romans inquired the auspices before going to war than performed a religious ritual on the mars field, performed evocatio deorum before the enemy's city gate, then captured the city god and added it to their own pantheon. The Hittites performed exactly likewise.
Is there any war or warlike conflict in the Bible or the early Jewish history that is not entirely about religion? The taking of the promised land, the wars against Jericho, Ai, Israel & Judah, the Maccabean Revolt, the at least three full Jewish Wars against Rome?
It can very well be argued that it is universally true, that before the 'modern state' and the ideas of separation of church and state, religion was one prime cause for all the wars.
Or it is true that rulers and generals always lie. That what really was or is the cause is always something else. All marxist historians would agree to that. And Clintonistas as well. It's the economy, stupid.
The prime motivation as stated by instigators might then be "religion", although it really is about something else: the means to rule; in form of land, labour means of production. Those who follow Claude Levi-Strauss will of cause know it even better than that: all human conflict can be broken down to disagreements over the exchange of women. Let's not forget reductionist explanations like those from an offshoot of psychoanalysis. War is an illness in society and all of society's illnesses can be cured by achieving a proper orgasm. –– If that sounds ridiculous, then looking for mono-causality of war, for any war, in the thousands of years for its history is likely as well.
Religion is one of the most powerful forces in human history, and its power makes itself known in ways both dramatic and intimate in our world today; unfortunately, the impact of religion is often divisive and violent. If we want to truly understand religion’s ability to influence human events, we need to grasp its psychological bases, and to take a scientific approach to religious psychology means using our best theories of how the mind works.
John Teehan: "In the Name of God. The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Ethics and Violence", Wiley-Blackwell, 2010.
Martha T Nussbaum: "Democracy, Religious Violence, and
India’s Future",
This is one of history's ironies, that although religion has been used to justify violence, violence can also empower religion. Perhaps understandably. therefore. in the wake of secularism, and after years of wait· ing in history's wings, religion has made its reappearance as an ideology of social order in a dramatic fashion: violently. In time the violence will end, but the point will remain. Religion gives spirit to public life and provides a beacon for moral order. At the same time, it needs the temper of rationality and fair play that Enlightenment values give to civil society. Thus religious violence cannot end until some accommodation can be forged between the two-some assertion of moderation in religion's passion and some acknowledgement of religion in elevating the spiritual and moral values of public life.
Mark Juergensmeyer: "Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence", University of California Press: Berkeley, London, 2000.
To understand the role of religion in the emergence of American empire, we need to look beyond any simple opposition or interaction between “church” and “state” and see instead how the construction and corrosion of power and authority have operated across sectors of society, especially around apparently “secular” categories in which the displacements of religious logic have most
effectively operated under assertions of innocence, purity, or transcendence. ose categories through which the material origins of desire have most consistently been compressed and displaced in America are age, race, and gender, as expressed in the culture in various identities associated with collectives like the nation or, now, an empire.
Jon Pahl: "Empire of Sacrifice. The Religious Origins of American Violence", New York University Press: New York, London, 2010.
Violence served to uphold the Egyptian concept of correct order, known as Ma'at. Some violence, such as sacrificial servant burial, did so by ensuring that correct social order continued in the next life. Most violence in the service of the order was aimed at the destruction of chaos, or Isfet.
Kerry Miles Muhlenstein: "Violence in the Service of Order: The Religious Framework for Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt", Dissertation, University of California: Los Angeles, 2003.
Much has been written about the relationship between religion and violence, and much of what has been written is aimed at determining whether, how, and why religion causes violence. This book has a different goal. Followers of many different religions who commit violent acts seek to justify these by appealing to religion. I aim to understand how such justifications proceed; and how they do, or do not, differ from ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will show that religious justifications for violence generally exemplify the same logical forms as ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will also show that many religiously based justifications for violence are as acceptable as rigorous secular justifications for violence, provided that crucial premises, which religion supplies, are accepted. Religious believers are able to incorporate premises, grounded in the metaphysics of religious worldviews, in arguments for the conclusion that this or that violent act is justified. I examine three widely employed types of premises that appear in such arguments. These are: appeals to a state of “cosmic war,” appeals to the afterlife, and appeals to sacred values.
Steve Clarke: "The Justification of Religious Violence", Blackwell: Chichester, 2014.
The Enduring Relationship of Religion and Violence / Violence and Nonviolence at the Heart of Hindu Ethics / Buddhist Traditions and Violence / Sikh Traditions and Violence / Religion and Violence in the Jewish Traditions / Religion and Violence in Christian Traditions / Muslim Engagement with Injustice and Violence / African Traditional Religion and Violence / Religion and Violence in Pacific Island Societies / Violence in Chinese Religious Traditions
Mark Juergensmeyer & Margo Kitts & Michael K. Jerryson: "Violence and the World’s Religious Traditions. An Introduction", Oxford University Press, 2017.
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Historians, by and large, agree that most wars fought for resources and thus are caused by the greed for worldly or physical gain, be it land, women or money. See: "Encyclopedia of Wars," by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
However, in order to motivate the masses, they used religion as a motivational tool. This still works today, given how many use Christianity as a motivation to be a conservative. This is ironic, given that that religion was essentially a rebel movement, against the Roman Empire and decidedly not a conservative cause.
Therefore, while religion itself might not cause wars, it does acerbate them because religion is used as a justification. Joan of Arc, the Civil War, Colonial wars would not have had this effect had it not been for the religious motivation. And it's doubtful that Joan of Arc would have gone to Germany or Africa to fight perfidious Albion.
As a side effect of triumphantly decrying that religion is NOT a cause of wars, some play the fake victim card: "Oh, us poor Christians, who are oppressed by the evil atheist hordes."
I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
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@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
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I have never read such a theory, by any historian. This is likely because few real historians have ever made the claim.
I think we can easily see why that is: To be "most" it must be over 50%.
But not all religions are warlike. And not all warlike religions can be used to justify/launch wars.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions. And they can most certainly not be used to justify wars (the god of those religions can't be owned by a group of followers. And those gods never made any promises, and never demanded the followers to find new followers)
Shintoism is warlike religion but it can't be used to start wars. because it isn't a god-owning religion.
Mesoamerican religions are not overly well understood, but given they didn't launch a holy war against the foreign invaders it seems pretty clear that holy war wasn't their thing. Native americans also don't have a war like religion.
Right there, that's more than 1/2 the world, and probably more than 1/2 the wars ever fought.
Then there are a few religions that are both warlike and war justifying. This is made possible by a custom made god that institutionalizes racism, makes land grant, and gives a religious mandate to spread the truth of 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith' to anyone lacking in 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith'. And if the infidels, heathens, nonbelievers, etc. refuse to accept the truth, the followers are encouraged to convert them, by force if necessary.
But even then, not too many of the wars by the adherents were actually fought in the name of those religions. And most of the biggest ones were all religion free. Napoleonic War, Franco-Prussian War, WWI, WWII, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the crimean war, etc. That doesn't mean each side didn't bring their holy men with them to war, to ask their god to smite down those other guys in the opposing army.
So I would say a tiny percentage of wars are caused by religion, the rest are caused by kings playing the game of thrones.
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+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
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In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
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@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
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To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
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it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
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Other answers are justifying a straight "no", but what else is going on in the "critique of theism" mentioned by Semaphore?
The atheist philosopher Tim Crane addresses, in his book "The Meaning of Belief" (2017, Harvard University Press) claims of this kind that are made by certain atheist critics of religion (so, his subject is not any supposed consensus among historians). Spoiler alert: his view of attempts by famous atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens to analyse religion is not broadly approving. What does he say about claims that religion is wholly or mainly responsible for war and other violence? p120-122:
The violence and destruction imposed in the name of Christianity has a long history: the medieval Crusades ... [4 further examples]; and we could go on, of course. Put like this, you can see why people say that the history of Europe in the second millennium AD was a history of religious violence.
Against this has to be placed the equally terrible history of large-scale nonreligious violence and cruelty. Examples easily spring to mind: the killing of the Central American natives by the conquistadors, the slave trade, ... [4 further examples]. And then of course there are the other monstrous crimes of the twentieth century: the Nazi Holocaust and the mass killings by the communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union. As with religious violence, it seems all too easy to find examples.
Some writers more sympathetic to religion attempt to argue that those examples show that religion is not really the source of the world's problems, and that even so-called religious conflicts are not really religious underneath. ... Karen Armstrong traces the origin of human violence to the beginnings of agrarian societies and the accumulation of wealth...
The account I sketched of identification in Chapter 3 of this book indicates one other place where an explanation of of religious violence that is not specifically religous might begin. The tendency of human beings to form groups explicitly defined in opposition to others, which then seek the destruction and subordination of the other groups, is one of the characteristic features of many recognizably human societies. But facts like these do not mean that religion has no special, distinctively religious role in explaining episodes of violence. ... The question is rather, what is this role.
He goes on to point out that even wars that some attribute to religion are not necessarily caused by any theological content of the religion. p132:
It would be entirely incorrect, even frivolous, to suggest that the filoque clause is one of the factors that influenced the war between the Serbs and the Croats in the 1990s. And yet, if we are to look at the theological origin of the separation of the Roman and the Orthodox Churches, this would have to be mentioned (among many other details) ... yet it is plain that this doctrine has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that the Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use the Latin alphabet.
So, what is there to religion other than theology? Well, that's the major part of the book, and his view is that religion consists of group identification, together with the "religious impulse" toward something that transcends normal life, connected by a shared notion of what specific things are sacred. Hence, there are other ways that religion could be a factor than just theology. p134 returns to the causes of religious violence:
I mentioned three further conjectures about the sources of religious violence and conflict: (2) nontheological but distinctively religious aspects of religions; (3) the element of identification; (4) other nonreligous aspects of human psychology, society and culture.
p143:
Religion is one factor, without doubt. But is it the most fundamental or important factor? How can we go about answering this question? Is there even any need to answer it? ... The extreme violence in these cases is often explicable in terms of the tendency of identification (religious or not) to exclude and discriminate against others; the violent content of some religious texts; or the struggle for power, supremacy, or autonomy among competing religious groups--in addition to human motivations and desires (for example, revenge) that are intelligible independently of anything to do with religion.
There's plenty more detail, but his gist is that what constitutes religion "causing" violence (or a war in particular) is by no means a simple or settled issue. That being the case you can't really have a simple, settled view of whether religion is uniquely culpable among other factors.
So the claim that "most wars are caused by religion" may not even be intelligible. Do most wars have religion among their causes? Are most wars caused solely by religion? What aspects of religion can be included or excluded in the assessment of whether religion caused something? You're going to do a very different analysis according to how you interpret the basic structure of the question, never mind your actual historical opinion about the causes of every war.
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The idea that "most wars are caused by religion" is trivially false. From what I can see, this is a rhetoric rooted in a critique of theism, rather than serious historical analysis. Even a casual survey of history shows most wars had little to nothing to do with religious differences - according to quasi-original research on Wikipedia, only 6.98% of known conflicts were religious.
To my knowledge, there has been no formal polling of academics on the subject. Nonetheless, we may infer a prevailing opinion of historians from their research. While existing works only examine the modern period, they all point to the same conclusion: Territory, not religion, is the most common cause of war.
Territorial disputes is the leading cause of war throughout the centuries. Source: Holsti, Kalevi J. Peace and War: Armed Conflicts and International Order, 1648-1989. Cambridge University Press, 1991.
(Although the works cited below are time-limited, there is no obvious reason to believe the underlying patterns of wars would be significantly different in the pre-modern world. Even the Muslim Conquests or the Christian Crusades were isolated and punctuated by many non-religious conflicts. The European Wars of Religion were a historical aberration, not the norm.)
First, let's consider the analysis of modern wars by Evan Luard. He divided post-1400 history into five periods and noted that the primary causes of war shifted over time. To briefly summarise, his findings were:
- Age of Dynasties (1400-1559): conflicts over territory were linked to dynastic claims.
- Age of Religion (1559-1648): religious conflicts triggered conflicts over territory, but non-religious wars of opportunity also took place.
- Age of Reason (1648-1789): religion vanished as a cause of war, to be replaced by conflicts over strategic territories and dynastic succession.
- Age of Nationalism (1789-1917): wars became increasingly linked to identity and national independence - territories were a common cause of war in colonial empires, Latin America as well as the Far East.
- Age of Ideology (1917-1986): political ideology dominated the causes of war.
However, other historians have noted that:
[W]hile Luard declines to nominate territory as the dominant factor throughout the centuries, nevertheless, territorial issues keep cropping up in his analysis - in connection with issues of succession, dynastic disputes, or state creation. Thus, Luard probably underestimates the importance of territorial issues in fomenting wars.
Cashman, Greg. What Causes War?: an introduction to theories of international conflict. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2013.
Luard's analysis is evaluative rather than qualitative. For the latter, consider the survey by Kalevi Holsti in 1991. He divided the post-Westphalia history of conflict into five periods and attempted to classify their causes into rather narrow categories. The results were as follows:
As you can see,
"Territorial issues" are the only ones that have been among the dominant issues in each of the periods [1648-1714, 1715-1814, 1815-1914, 1914-41, and 1945-89]. In four of the five periods, more wars have involved territorial issues than any other kind of issue, exceeded only in 1815-1914 by the "maintain the integrity of state/empire" issue, which is an issue obviously related to territorial concerns.
Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
In contrast, as you can see from the table, religion began at only 6% and has steadily declined since then. This is dwarfed by the number of wars over control of land or resources, even in our current period when territorial conflicts are at a historical low. As the following table demonstrates that territorial disputes constitute the vast majority of all wars since Westphalia:
Source: Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Of course, Holsti's analysis began only after the European Wars of Religion, identified by Luard as the same period religious differences were a leading cause of war. Nonetheless, the fact that religion all but disappeared as a cause for war in the centuries since is strong prima facie evidence against the claim that it could have caused "most wars".
Fundamentally speaking, wars are nearly always driven by some kind of self-interest. Land, historically near synonymous with wealth, was of prime interest to most polities. Consequently - without discounting the genuine effects faith may have on true believers - religious (as well as ideological, nationalistic, etc) reasons are just as likely a source of legitimacy for using force, as it is a motivation in and of itself.
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
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Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
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The idea that "most wars are caused by religion" is trivially false. From what I can see, this is a rhetoric rooted in a critique of theism, rather than serious historical analysis. Even a casual survey of history shows most wars had little to nothing to do with religious differences - according to quasi-original research on Wikipedia, only 6.98% of known conflicts were religious.
To my knowledge, there has been no formal polling of academics on the subject. Nonetheless, we may infer a prevailing opinion of historians from their research. While existing works only examine the modern period, they all point to the same conclusion: Territory, not religion, is the most common cause of war.
Territorial disputes is the leading cause of war throughout the centuries. Source: Holsti, Kalevi J. Peace and War: Armed Conflicts and International Order, 1648-1989. Cambridge University Press, 1991.
(Although the works cited below are time-limited, there is no obvious reason to believe the underlying patterns of wars would be significantly different in the pre-modern world. Even the Muslim Conquests or the Christian Crusades were isolated and punctuated by many non-religious conflicts. The European Wars of Religion were a historical aberration, not the norm.)
First, let's consider the analysis of modern wars by Evan Luard. He divided post-1400 history into five periods and noted that the primary causes of war shifted over time. To briefly summarise, his findings were:
- Age of Dynasties (1400-1559): conflicts over territory were linked to dynastic claims.
- Age of Religion (1559-1648): religious conflicts triggered conflicts over territory, but non-religious wars of opportunity also took place.
- Age of Reason (1648-1789): religion vanished as a cause of war, to be replaced by conflicts over strategic territories and dynastic succession.
- Age of Nationalism (1789-1917): wars became increasingly linked to identity and national independence - territories were a common cause of war in colonial empires, Latin America as well as the Far East.
- Age of Ideology (1917-1986): political ideology dominated the causes of war.
However, other historians have noted that:
[W]hile Luard declines to nominate territory as the dominant factor throughout the centuries, nevertheless, territorial issues keep cropping up in his analysis - in connection with issues of succession, dynastic disputes, or state creation. Thus, Luard probably underestimates the importance of territorial issues in fomenting wars.
Cashman, Greg. What Causes War?: an introduction to theories of international conflict. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2013.
Luard's analysis is evaluative rather than qualitative. For the latter, consider the survey by Kalevi Holsti in 1991. He divided the post-Westphalia history of conflict into five periods and attempted to classify their causes into rather narrow categories. The results were as follows:
As you can see,
"Territorial issues" are the only ones that have been among the dominant issues in each of the periods [1648-1714, 1715-1814, 1815-1914, 1914-41, and 1945-89]. In four of the five periods, more wars have involved territorial issues than any other kind of issue, exceeded only in 1815-1914 by the "maintain the integrity of state/empire" issue, which is an issue obviously related to territorial concerns.
Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
In contrast, as you can see from the table, religion began at only 6% and has steadily declined since then. This is dwarfed by the number of wars over control of land or resources, even in our current period when territorial conflicts are at a historical low. As the following table demonstrates that territorial disputes constitute the vast majority of all wars since Westphalia:
Source: Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Of course, Holsti's analysis began only after the European Wars of Religion, identified by Luard as the same period religious differences were a leading cause of war. Nonetheless, the fact that religion all but disappeared as a cause for war in the centuries since is strong prima facie evidence against the claim that it could have caused "most wars".
Fundamentally speaking, wars are nearly always driven by some kind of self-interest. Land, historically near synonymous with wealth, was of prime interest to most polities. Consequently - without discounting the genuine effects faith may have on true believers - religious (as well as ideological, nationalistic, etc) reasons are just as likely a source of legitimacy for using force, as it is a motivation in and of itself.
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:27
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
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Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
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The idea that "most wars are caused by religion" is trivially false. From what I can see, this is a rhetoric rooted in a critique of theism, rather than serious historical analysis. Even a casual survey of history shows most wars had little to nothing to do with religious differences - according to quasi-original research on Wikipedia, only 6.98% of known conflicts were religious.
To my knowledge, there has been no formal polling of academics on the subject. Nonetheless, we may infer a prevailing opinion of historians from their research. While existing works only examine the modern period, they all point to the same conclusion: Territory, not religion, is the most common cause of war.
Territorial disputes is the leading cause of war throughout the centuries. Source: Holsti, Kalevi J. Peace and War: Armed Conflicts and International Order, 1648-1989. Cambridge University Press, 1991.
(Although the works cited below are time-limited, there is no obvious reason to believe the underlying patterns of wars would be significantly different in the pre-modern world. Even the Muslim Conquests or the Christian Crusades were isolated and punctuated by many non-religious conflicts. The European Wars of Religion were a historical aberration, not the norm.)
First, let's consider the analysis of modern wars by Evan Luard. He divided post-1400 history into five periods and noted that the primary causes of war shifted over time. To briefly summarise, his findings were:
- Age of Dynasties (1400-1559): conflicts over territory were linked to dynastic claims.
- Age of Religion (1559-1648): religious conflicts triggered conflicts over territory, but non-religious wars of opportunity also took place.
- Age of Reason (1648-1789): religion vanished as a cause of war, to be replaced by conflicts over strategic territories and dynastic succession.
- Age of Nationalism (1789-1917): wars became increasingly linked to identity and national independence - territories were a common cause of war in colonial empires, Latin America as well as the Far East.
- Age of Ideology (1917-1986): political ideology dominated the causes of war.
However, other historians have noted that:
[W]hile Luard declines to nominate territory as the dominant factor throughout the centuries, nevertheless, territorial issues keep cropping up in his analysis - in connection with issues of succession, dynastic disputes, or state creation. Thus, Luard probably underestimates the importance of territorial issues in fomenting wars.
Cashman, Greg. What Causes War?: an introduction to theories of international conflict. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2013.
Luard's analysis is evaluative rather than qualitative. For the latter, consider the survey by Kalevi Holsti in 1991. He divided the post-Westphalia history of conflict into five periods and attempted to classify their causes into rather narrow categories. The results were as follows:
As you can see,
"Territorial issues" are the only ones that have been among the dominant issues in each of the periods [1648-1714, 1715-1814, 1815-1914, 1914-41, and 1945-89]. In four of the five periods, more wars have involved territorial issues than any other kind of issue, exceeded only in 1815-1914 by the "maintain the integrity of state/empire" issue, which is an issue obviously related to territorial concerns.
Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
In contrast, as you can see from the table, religion began at only 6% and has steadily declined since then. This is dwarfed by the number of wars over control of land or resources, even in our current period when territorial conflicts are at a historical low. As the following table demonstrates that territorial disputes constitute the vast majority of all wars since Westphalia:
Source: Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Of course, Holsti's analysis began only after the European Wars of Religion, identified by Luard as the same period religious differences were a leading cause of war. Nonetheless, the fact that religion all but disappeared as a cause for war in the centuries since is strong prima facie evidence against the claim that it could have caused "most wars".
Fundamentally speaking, wars are nearly always driven by some kind of self-interest. Land, historically near synonymous with wealth, was of prime interest to most polities. Consequently - without discounting the genuine effects faith may have on true believers - religious (as well as ideological, nationalistic, etc) reasons are just as likely a source of legitimacy for using force, as it is a motivation in and of itself.
The idea that "most wars are caused by religion" is trivially false. From what I can see, this is a rhetoric rooted in a critique of theism, rather than serious historical analysis. Even a casual survey of history shows most wars had little to nothing to do with religious differences - according to quasi-original research on Wikipedia, only 6.98% of known conflicts were religious.
To my knowledge, there has been no formal polling of academics on the subject. Nonetheless, we may infer a prevailing opinion of historians from their research. While existing works only examine the modern period, they all point to the same conclusion: Territory, not religion, is the most common cause of war.
Territorial disputes is the leading cause of war throughout the centuries. Source: Holsti, Kalevi J. Peace and War: Armed Conflicts and International Order, 1648-1989. Cambridge University Press, 1991.
(Although the works cited below are time-limited, there is no obvious reason to believe the underlying patterns of wars would be significantly different in the pre-modern world. Even the Muslim Conquests or the Christian Crusades were isolated and punctuated by many non-religious conflicts. The European Wars of Religion were a historical aberration, not the norm.)
First, let's consider the analysis of modern wars by Evan Luard. He divided post-1400 history into five periods and noted that the primary causes of war shifted over time. To briefly summarise, his findings were:
- Age of Dynasties (1400-1559): conflicts over territory were linked to dynastic claims.
- Age of Religion (1559-1648): religious conflicts triggered conflicts over territory, but non-religious wars of opportunity also took place.
- Age of Reason (1648-1789): religion vanished as a cause of war, to be replaced by conflicts over strategic territories and dynastic succession.
- Age of Nationalism (1789-1917): wars became increasingly linked to identity and national independence - territories were a common cause of war in colonial empires, Latin America as well as the Far East.
- Age of Ideology (1917-1986): political ideology dominated the causes of war.
However, other historians have noted that:
[W]hile Luard declines to nominate territory as the dominant factor throughout the centuries, nevertheless, territorial issues keep cropping up in his analysis - in connection with issues of succession, dynastic disputes, or state creation. Thus, Luard probably underestimates the importance of territorial issues in fomenting wars.
Cashman, Greg. What Causes War?: an introduction to theories of international conflict. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2013.
Luard's analysis is evaluative rather than qualitative. For the latter, consider the survey by Kalevi Holsti in 1991. He divided the post-Westphalia history of conflict into five periods and attempted to classify their causes into rather narrow categories. The results were as follows:
As you can see,
"Territorial issues" are the only ones that have been among the dominant issues in each of the periods [1648-1714, 1715-1814, 1815-1914, 1914-41, and 1945-89]. In four of the five periods, more wars have involved territorial issues than any other kind of issue, exceeded only in 1815-1914 by the "maintain the integrity of state/empire" issue, which is an issue obviously related to territorial concerns.
Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
In contrast, as you can see from the table, religion began at only 6% and has steadily declined since then. This is dwarfed by the number of wars over control of land or resources, even in our current period when territorial conflicts are at a historical low. As the following table demonstrates that territorial disputes constitute the vast majority of all wars since Westphalia:
Source: Vasquez, John A. The War Puzzle Revisited. Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Of course, Holsti's analysis began only after the European Wars of Religion, identified by Luard as the same period religious differences were a leading cause of war. Nonetheless, the fact that religion all but disappeared as a cause for war in the centuries since is strong prima facie evidence against the claim that it could have caused "most wars".
Fundamentally speaking, wars are nearly always driven by some kind of self-interest. Land, historically near synonymous with wealth, was of prime interest to most polities. Consequently - without discounting the genuine effects faith may have on true believers - religious (as well as ideological, nationalistic, etc) reasons are just as likely a source of legitimacy for using force, as it is a motivation in and of itself.
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
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Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:27
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
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Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
Nov 28 at 14:23
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Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:27
Great answer! Do you have any insight on how many of the non-religious wars used religion to sell the war to the people of the countries involved? I mean, while the actual reason for the conflict may not have been religious, religion may have been used to popularise and/or justify the war. If we count such cases as religious wars, would that change the answer in any significant way? (Also, you have a typo and I don't have the rep to fix it: The European Wars of Religion were a historian aberration, should be historical.)
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:27
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@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
@terdon Thanks for the catch, fixed. As for your question, I do not believe that would significantly affect the conclusion, no. For the most part, religious wars already are wars sold to the populace / armies / foreign states using religious justifications, rather than being genuinely motivated by religion. That's the point being hinted at regarding Laud - if the wars really weren't about territory, why did religious conflict fight over territories? Without being unduly cynical, the line between religious wars, and non-religious wars justified by religion is very thin.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 10:47
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Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
Indeed; in fact I'd be surprised if we could find any war that was actually and wholly fought for religious reasons. Fair enough.
– terdon
Nov 28 at 10:49
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And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
And even in those 7% of wars "caused by religion", I would bet many of them were in reality caused by territorial or financial disputes, and religion was just a good pretext to declare war or to motivate the soldiers (but the war would have started regardless).
– vsz
Nov 28 at 11:30
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11
Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
Nov 28 at 14:23
Seconding @vsz here. For instance, the 30 Years War (touched on in this answer) was clearly religious, right? Well, what made it truly long and bloody was the involvement of Catholic France against the Catholic Hapsburg Empire. At first by subsidizing other parties, but eventually directly. That was pretty obviously not religiously motivated.
– T.E.D.♦
Nov 28 at 14:23
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Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
No, historians have not formed such a consensus. There are numerous scholarly works reaching back 5 millennia demonstrating that this belief is apocryphal. This work demonstrates religion historically has played a small role in wars either as a major or minor cause.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars?
History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely if ever, based on religion.
...an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
A Different source: The Encyclopedia of War edited by Gordon Martel says if one excludes 40 little understood internal wars fought by the Islamic Caliphate religious wars drop to only 3% of all wars in its pages.
Institute for Economics and Peace issued a report in 2014 which further supports these numbers.
So Historians, reviewing 5 millennia worth of war, have reached the opposite conclusion. Religion is a reason for war, but not the reason for most wars.
Wars are often blamed on a single reason but typically caused by a combination of reasons. Yes Religion is among the reasons historically countries go to war, it is even a primary cause of some conflicts like the Crusades, Thirty Years' War, and the Lebanese War 1975-1990 Religion is not the primary reason historically speaking for most wars.
Common (major and minor) Reasons for War:
- Economic gain: (oil, natural gas, nickel, etc ).
Anglo-Indian Wars (1766-1849)
A series of wars fought by British East India Company leading to the colonization of India.
The Winter War (1939-1940)
The Soviet Union invaded Finland in order to control the nickel mines.
The American Revolution
For America a revolutionary war, for the French who allied with the United States against Britain it was fought over trade routes and commerce. The French involvement began first with a trade agreement with the Colonies and only after that was signed a declaration for French military assistance against Britain.
WWII, in the Pacific
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in order to seize commodities in Asia.
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Iraq invaded Kuwait to seize the oil and alleviate their war debt with the Kingdom.
South China Sea
The ongoing dispute with China over the South China Sea, It's about 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to exist in the disputed territory.
- Territorial Gain
Mexican-American War (1846-1848). It was a land grab. The slogan manifest destiny spoke to the United States desire to become a two Ocean country. (Atlantic and Pacific). The War facilitated the United States purchase of what is now the American South West as well as California.
Arab-Israeli War or "Six Day War" (1967-1988)
After years of small-scale conflict when Egypt blockaded the straight of Tiran, Israel attacked gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and Golan Heights effectively tripling the size of the Israeli state.- Russia's invasion of the Crimea (2014)
- Nationalism
- World War I
- Revenge
World War II (invasion of France by Germany)
One of Hitler's stated reasons for invading France was to reverse the Treaty of Paris which ended WWII which he felt treated Germany unfairly and was a factor in Germany's impoverishment in the interwar period. He met with French representatives in the same train car which hosted the WWI summit which ended the Great War and even had the memorial in Paris to the historic treaty blown up.
- Civil Wars and or Revolutions
Fought over disputes which arise internally to countries or over a change of leadership.
- American Civil War (1861-1865)
- Russian Civil War (1917-1923)
- Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
- Korean War (1950-1953)
- French Revolution (1789-1799)
- Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)
Addressing the Comments
Steven Burnap
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China, as well as their invasion of the Philippines, was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
@Steven Burnap, Hitler's book Mein Kampf, was written in two volumes, The first volume, entitled Die Abrechnung (“The Settlement [of Accounts],” or “Revenge”), calls for revenge against France for its destruction of Germany's first and second Reichs.
Specifically, Hitler discusses the 30 Years War in which Germany's first Reich (Holy Roman Empire) was eviscerated by the French in 1648, with the Peace of Westphalia. Secondly and famously the treatment of Germany in the surrender documents ending WWI which both impoverished Germany in the interwar period and ended Germany's second Reich, Imperial Germany ()1871–1918 ending Kaiser Wilhelm and the end of WWI.
In Hitler's first volume he dedicates the title to the major theme of his foreign policy. Revenge against France. To your point Hitler also discusses "Lebensraum" in his first volume, the need for "Living Space" for Germany and says Germany will gain this in the east at the expense of the Slavs: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia.
A major stated goal of Hitler's Third Reich was to address the downfall of the first and second German Reichs at the hands of the French. In June of 1940, Hitler drove this point home with what National Geographic calls his Revenge Treaty in which France surrenders to Germany June of 1940. Hitler held the surrender ceremony in the same boxcar in which France had hosted Germany's surrender in WWI. Designed the entire venue to embarrass the French referencing Germany's previous treatment by the then victorious French in WWI. Just after this ceremony Hitler personally ordered Frances Rethondes Clearing memorial to WWI's German surrender blown up with dynamite.
As for Japan's war in China, I don't dispute what you say. What I said was Japan attacked the United States, Dec 7, 1941, over oil. The attack was to clear obstacles to Japan's real target of that offensive, the Dutch East Indies -- now Indonesia.
On July 26, 1941, the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order which froze Japan's assets in the United States and cut Japan off from 93% of their Oil all of which was imported. Japan had about a year and a half of oil in their strategic reserve and after that, they would not be able to continue their war in China. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941; and invaded Dutch East Indies Dec 8th to secure what was then the 4th largest oil exporter in the world behind the U.S., Iran, and Romania and guarantee Japan would be energy independent.
Japan also gained access to rubber production facilities and iron mines both of which were important, but oil was the most important material they seized in the days after Pearl Harbor.
Japan's Dutch East India Campaign
Access to oil was one of the linchpins of the Japanese war effort, as Japan has no native source of oil;15 it could not even produce enough to meet even 10% of its needs,13 even with the extraction of oil shale in Manchuria using the Fushun process.16 Japan quickly lost 93 percent of its oil supply after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order on 26 July 1941 which froze all of Japan's U.S. assets and embargoed all oil exports to Japan.17 In addition, the Dutch government in exile, at the urging of the Allies and with the support of Queen Wilhelmina, broke its economic treaty with Japan and joined the embargo in August.15 Japan's military and economic reserves included only a year and a half's worth of oil.13 As a U.S. declaration of war against Japan was feared if the latter took the East Indies, the Japanese planned to eliminate the U.S. Pacific Fleet, allowing them to overtake the islands; this led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
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@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
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@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
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There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
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Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
No, historians have not formed such a consensus. There are numerous scholarly works reaching back 5 millennia demonstrating that this belief is apocryphal. This work demonstrates religion historically has played a small role in wars either as a major or minor cause.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars?
History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely if ever, based on religion.
...an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
A Different source: The Encyclopedia of War edited by Gordon Martel says if one excludes 40 little understood internal wars fought by the Islamic Caliphate religious wars drop to only 3% of all wars in its pages.
Institute for Economics and Peace issued a report in 2014 which further supports these numbers.
So Historians, reviewing 5 millennia worth of war, have reached the opposite conclusion. Religion is a reason for war, but not the reason for most wars.
Wars are often blamed on a single reason but typically caused by a combination of reasons. Yes Religion is among the reasons historically countries go to war, it is even a primary cause of some conflicts like the Crusades, Thirty Years' War, and the Lebanese War 1975-1990 Religion is not the primary reason historically speaking for most wars.
Common (major and minor) Reasons for War:
- Economic gain: (oil, natural gas, nickel, etc ).
Anglo-Indian Wars (1766-1849)
A series of wars fought by British East India Company leading to the colonization of India.
The Winter War (1939-1940)
The Soviet Union invaded Finland in order to control the nickel mines.
The American Revolution
For America a revolutionary war, for the French who allied with the United States against Britain it was fought over trade routes and commerce. The French involvement began first with a trade agreement with the Colonies and only after that was signed a declaration for French military assistance against Britain.
WWII, in the Pacific
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in order to seize commodities in Asia.
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Iraq invaded Kuwait to seize the oil and alleviate their war debt with the Kingdom.
South China Sea
The ongoing dispute with China over the South China Sea, It's about 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to exist in the disputed territory.
- Territorial Gain
Mexican-American War (1846-1848). It was a land grab. The slogan manifest destiny spoke to the United States desire to become a two Ocean country. (Atlantic and Pacific). The War facilitated the United States purchase of what is now the American South West as well as California.
Arab-Israeli War or "Six Day War" (1967-1988)
After years of small-scale conflict when Egypt blockaded the straight of Tiran, Israel attacked gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and Golan Heights effectively tripling the size of the Israeli state.- Russia's invasion of the Crimea (2014)
- Nationalism
- World War I
- Revenge
World War II (invasion of France by Germany)
One of Hitler's stated reasons for invading France was to reverse the Treaty of Paris which ended WWII which he felt treated Germany unfairly and was a factor in Germany's impoverishment in the interwar period. He met with French representatives in the same train car which hosted the WWI summit which ended the Great War and even had the memorial in Paris to the historic treaty blown up.
- Civil Wars and or Revolutions
Fought over disputes which arise internally to countries or over a change of leadership.
- American Civil War (1861-1865)
- Russian Civil War (1917-1923)
- Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
- Korean War (1950-1953)
- French Revolution (1789-1799)
- Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)
Addressing the Comments
Steven Burnap
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China, as well as their invasion of the Philippines, was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
@Steven Burnap, Hitler's book Mein Kampf, was written in two volumes, The first volume, entitled Die Abrechnung (“The Settlement [of Accounts],” or “Revenge”), calls for revenge against France for its destruction of Germany's first and second Reichs.
Specifically, Hitler discusses the 30 Years War in which Germany's first Reich (Holy Roman Empire) was eviscerated by the French in 1648, with the Peace of Westphalia. Secondly and famously the treatment of Germany in the surrender documents ending WWI which both impoverished Germany in the interwar period and ended Germany's second Reich, Imperial Germany ()1871–1918 ending Kaiser Wilhelm and the end of WWI.
In Hitler's first volume he dedicates the title to the major theme of his foreign policy. Revenge against France. To your point Hitler also discusses "Lebensraum" in his first volume, the need for "Living Space" for Germany and says Germany will gain this in the east at the expense of the Slavs: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia.
A major stated goal of Hitler's Third Reich was to address the downfall of the first and second German Reichs at the hands of the French. In June of 1940, Hitler drove this point home with what National Geographic calls his Revenge Treaty in which France surrenders to Germany June of 1940. Hitler held the surrender ceremony in the same boxcar in which France had hosted Germany's surrender in WWI. Designed the entire venue to embarrass the French referencing Germany's previous treatment by the then victorious French in WWI. Just after this ceremony Hitler personally ordered Frances Rethondes Clearing memorial to WWI's German surrender blown up with dynamite.
As for Japan's war in China, I don't dispute what you say. What I said was Japan attacked the United States, Dec 7, 1941, over oil. The attack was to clear obstacles to Japan's real target of that offensive, the Dutch East Indies -- now Indonesia.
On July 26, 1941, the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order which froze Japan's assets in the United States and cut Japan off from 93% of their Oil all of which was imported. Japan had about a year and a half of oil in their strategic reserve and after that, they would not be able to continue their war in China. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941; and invaded Dutch East Indies Dec 8th to secure what was then the 4th largest oil exporter in the world behind the U.S., Iran, and Romania and guarantee Japan would be energy independent.
Japan also gained access to rubber production facilities and iron mines both of which were important, but oil was the most important material they seized in the days after Pearl Harbor.
Japan's Dutch East India Campaign
Access to oil was one of the linchpins of the Japanese war effort, as Japan has no native source of oil;15 it could not even produce enough to meet even 10% of its needs,13 even with the extraction of oil shale in Manchuria using the Fushun process.16 Japan quickly lost 93 percent of its oil supply after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order on 26 July 1941 which froze all of Japan's U.S. assets and embargoed all oil exports to Japan.17 In addition, the Dutch government in exile, at the urging of the Allies and with the support of Queen Wilhelmina, broke its economic treaty with Japan and joined the embargo in August.15 Japan's military and economic reserves included only a year and a half's worth of oil.13 As a U.S. declaration of war against Japan was feared if the latter took the East Indies, the Japanese planned to eliminate the U.S. Pacific Fleet, allowing them to overtake the islands; this led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
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@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
1
@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
1
There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
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Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
No, historians have not formed such a consensus. There are numerous scholarly works reaching back 5 millennia demonstrating that this belief is apocryphal. This work demonstrates religion historically has played a small role in wars either as a major or minor cause.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars?
History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely if ever, based on religion.
...an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
A Different source: The Encyclopedia of War edited by Gordon Martel says if one excludes 40 little understood internal wars fought by the Islamic Caliphate religious wars drop to only 3% of all wars in its pages.
Institute for Economics and Peace issued a report in 2014 which further supports these numbers.
So Historians, reviewing 5 millennia worth of war, have reached the opposite conclusion. Religion is a reason for war, but not the reason for most wars.
Wars are often blamed on a single reason but typically caused by a combination of reasons. Yes Religion is among the reasons historically countries go to war, it is even a primary cause of some conflicts like the Crusades, Thirty Years' War, and the Lebanese War 1975-1990 Religion is not the primary reason historically speaking for most wars.
Common (major and minor) Reasons for War:
- Economic gain: (oil, natural gas, nickel, etc ).
Anglo-Indian Wars (1766-1849)
A series of wars fought by British East India Company leading to the colonization of India.
The Winter War (1939-1940)
The Soviet Union invaded Finland in order to control the nickel mines.
The American Revolution
For America a revolutionary war, for the French who allied with the United States against Britain it was fought over trade routes and commerce. The French involvement began first with a trade agreement with the Colonies and only after that was signed a declaration for French military assistance against Britain.
WWII, in the Pacific
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in order to seize commodities in Asia.
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Iraq invaded Kuwait to seize the oil and alleviate their war debt with the Kingdom.
South China Sea
The ongoing dispute with China over the South China Sea, It's about 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to exist in the disputed territory.
- Territorial Gain
Mexican-American War (1846-1848). It was a land grab. The slogan manifest destiny spoke to the United States desire to become a two Ocean country. (Atlantic and Pacific). The War facilitated the United States purchase of what is now the American South West as well as California.
Arab-Israeli War or "Six Day War" (1967-1988)
After years of small-scale conflict when Egypt blockaded the straight of Tiran, Israel attacked gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and Golan Heights effectively tripling the size of the Israeli state.- Russia's invasion of the Crimea (2014)
- Nationalism
- World War I
- Revenge
World War II (invasion of France by Germany)
One of Hitler's stated reasons for invading France was to reverse the Treaty of Paris which ended WWII which he felt treated Germany unfairly and was a factor in Germany's impoverishment in the interwar period. He met with French representatives in the same train car which hosted the WWI summit which ended the Great War and even had the memorial in Paris to the historic treaty blown up.
- Civil Wars and or Revolutions
Fought over disputes which arise internally to countries or over a change of leadership.
- American Civil War (1861-1865)
- Russian Civil War (1917-1923)
- Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
- Korean War (1950-1953)
- French Revolution (1789-1799)
- Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)
Addressing the Comments
Steven Burnap
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China, as well as their invasion of the Philippines, was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
@Steven Burnap, Hitler's book Mein Kampf, was written in two volumes, The first volume, entitled Die Abrechnung (“The Settlement [of Accounts],” or “Revenge”), calls for revenge against France for its destruction of Germany's first and second Reichs.
Specifically, Hitler discusses the 30 Years War in which Germany's first Reich (Holy Roman Empire) was eviscerated by the French in 1648, with the Peace of Westphalia. Secondly and famously the treatment of Germany in the surrender documents ending WWI which both impoverished Germany in the interwar period and ended Germany's second Reich, Imperial Germany ()1871–1918 ending Kaiser Wilhelm and the end of WWI.
In Hitler's first volume he dedicates the title to the major theme of his foreign policy. Revenge against France. To your point Hitler also discusses "Lebensraum" in his first volume, the need for "Living Space" for Germany and says Germany will gain this in the east at the expense of the Slavs: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia.
A major stated goal of Hitler's Third Reich was to address the downfall of the first and second German Reichs at the hands of the French. In June of 1940, Hitler drove this point home with what National Geographic calls his Revenge Treaty in which France surrenders to Germany June of 1940. Hitler held the surrender ceremony in the same boxcar in which France had hosted Germany's surrender in WWI. Designed the entire venue to embarrass the French referencing Germany's previous treatment by the then victorious French in WWI. Just after this ceremony Hitler personally ordered Frances Rethondes Clearing memorial to WWI's German surrender blown up with dynamite.
As for Japan's war in China, I don't dispute what you say. What I said was Japan attacked the United States, Dec 7, 1941, over oil. The attack was to clear obstacles to Japan's real target of that offensive, the Dutch East Indies -- now Indonesia.
On July 26, 1941, the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order which froze Japan's assets in the United States and cut Japan off from 93% of their Oil all of which was imported. Japan had about a year and a half of oil in their strategic reserve and after that, they would not be able to continue their war in China. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941; and invaded Dutch East Indies Dec 8th to secure what was then the 4th largest oil exporter in the world behind the U.S., Iran, and Romania and guarantee Japan would be energy independent.
Japan also gained access to rubber production facilities and iron mines both of which were important, but oil was the most important material they seized in the days after Pearl Harbor.
Japan's Dutch East India Campaign
Access to oil was one of the linchpins of the Japanese war effort, as Japan has no native source of oil;15 it could not even produce enough to meet even 10% of its needs,13 even with the extraction of oil shale in Manchuria using the Fushun process.16 Japan quickly lost 93 percent of its oil supply after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order on 26 July 1941 which froze all of Japan's U.S. assets and embargoed all oil exports to Japan.17 In addition, the Dutch government in exile, at the urging of the Allies and with the support of Queen Wilhelmina, broke its economic treaty with Japan and joined the embargo in August.15 Japan's military and economic reserves included only a year and a half's worth of oil.13 As a U.S. declaration of war against Japan was feared if the latter took the East Indies, the Japanese planned to eliminate the U.S. Pacific Fleet, allowing them to overtake the islands; this led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
No, historians have not formed such a consensus. There are numerous scholarly works reaching back 5 millennia demonstrating that this belief is apocryphal. This work demonstrates religion historically has played a small role in wars either as a major or minor cause.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars?
History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely if ever, based on religion.
...an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
A Different source: The Encyclopedia of War edited by Gordon Martel says if one excludes 40 little understood internal wars fought by the Islamic Caliphate religious wars drop to only 3% of all wars in its pages.
Institute for Economics and Peace issued a report in 2014 which further supports these numbers.
So Historians, reviewing 5 millennia worth of war, have reached the opposite conclusion. Religion is a reason for war, but not the reason for most wars.
Wars are often blamed on a single reason but typically caused by a combination of reasons. Yes Religion is among the reasons historically countries go to war, it is even a primary cause of some conflicts like the Crusades, Thirty Years' War, and the Lebanese War 1975-1990 Religion is not the primary reason historically speaking for most wars.
Common (major and minor) Reasons for War:
- Economic gain: (oil, natural gas, nickel, etc ).
Anglo-Indian Wars (1766-1849)
A series of wars fought by British East India Company leading to the colonization of India.
The Winter War (1939-1940)
The Soviet Union invaded Finland in order to control the nickel mines.
The American Revolution
For America a revolutionary war, for the French who allied with the United States against Britain it was fought over trade routes and commerce. The French involvement began first with a trade agreement with the Colonies and only after that was signed a declaration for French military assistance against Britain.
WWII, in the Pacific
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in order to seize commodities in Asia.
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Iraq invaded Kuwait to seize the oil and alleviate their war debt with the Kingdom.
South China Sea
The ongoing dispute with China over the South China Sea, It's about 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas estimated to exist in the disputed territory.
- Territorial Gain
Mexican-American War (1846-1848). It was a land grab. The slogan manifest destiny spoke to the United States desire to become a two Ocean country. (Atlantic and Pacific). The War facilitated the United States purchase of what is now the American South West as well as California.
Arab-Israeli War or "Six Day War" (1967-1988)
After years of small-scale conflict when Egypt blockaded the straight of Tiran, Israel attacked gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and Golan Heights effectively tripling the size of the Israeli state.- Russia's invasion of the Crimea (2014)
- Nationalism
- World War I
- Revenge
World War II (invasion of France by Germany)
One of Hitler's stated reasons for invading France was to reverse the Treaty of Paris which ended WWII which he felt treated Germany unfairly and was a factor in Germany's impoverishment in the interwar period. He met with French representatives in the same train car which hosted the WWI summit which ended the Great War and even had the memorial in Paris to the historic treaty blown up.
- Civil Wars and or Revolutions
Fought over disputes which arise internally to countries or over a change of leadership.
- American Civil War (1861-1865)
- Russian Civil War (1917-1923)
- Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
- Korean War (1950-1953)
- French Revolution (1789-1799)
- Haitian Revolution (1791-1804)
Addressing the Comments
Steven Burnap
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China, as well as their invasion of the Philippines, was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
@Steven Burnap, Hitler's book Mein Kampf, was written in two volumes, The first volume, entitled Die Abrechnung (“The Settlement [of Accounts],” or “Revenge”), calls for revenge against France for its destruction of Germany's first and second Reichs.
Specifically, Hitler discusses the 30 Years War in which Germany's first Reich (Holy Roman Empire) was eviscerated by the French in 1648, with the Peace of Westphalia. Secondly and famously the treatment of Germany in the surrender documents ending WWI which both impoverished Germany in the interwar period and ended Germany's second Reich, Imperial Germany ()1871–1918 ending Kaiser Wilhelm and the end of WWI.
In Hitler's first volume he dedicates the title to the major theme of his foreign policy. Revenge against France. To your point Hitler also discusses "Lebensraum" in his first volume, the need for "Living Space" for Germany and says Germany will gain this in the east at the expense of the Slavs: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia.
A major stated goal of Hitler's Third Reich was to address the downfall of the first and second German Reichs at the hands of the French. In June of 1940, Hitler drove this point home with what National Geographic calls his Revenge Treaty in which France surrenders to Germany June of 1940. Hitler held the surrender ceremony in the same boxcar in which France had hosted Germany's surrender in WWI. Designed the entire venue to embarrass the French referencing Germany's previous treatment by the then victorious French in WWI. Just after this ceremony Hitler personally ordered Frances Rethondes Clearing memorial to WWI's German surrender blown up with dynamite.
As for Japan's war in China, I don't dispute what you say. What I said was Japan attacked the United States, Dec 7, 1941, over oil. The attack was to clear obstacles to Japan's real target of that offensive, the Dutch East Indies -- now Indonesia.
On July 26, 1941, the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order which froze Japan's assets in the United States and cut Japan off from 93% of their Oil all of which was imported. Japan had about a year and a half of oil in their strategic reserve and after that, they would not be able to continue their war in China. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941; and invaded Dutch East Indies Dec 8th to secure what was then the 4th largest oil exporter in the world behind the U.S., Iran, and Romania and guarantee Japan would be energy independent.
Japan also gained access to rubber production facilities and iron mines both of which were important, but oil was the most important material they seized in the days after Pearl Harbor.
Japan's Dutch East India Campaign
Access to oil was one of the linchpins of the Japanese war effort, as Japan has no native source of oil;15 it could not even produce enough to meet even 10% of its needs,13 even with the extraction of oil shale in Manchuria using the Fushun process.16 Japan quickly lost 93 percent of its oil supply after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order on 26 July 1941 which froze all of Japan's U.S. assets and embargoed all oil exports to Japan.17 In addition, the Dutch government in exile, at the urging of the Allies and with the support of Queen Wilhelmina, broke its economic treaty with Japan and joined the embargo in August.15 Japan's military and economic reserves included only a year and a half's worth of oil.13 As a U.S. declaration of war against Japan was feared if the latter took the East Indies, the Japanese planned to eliminate the U.S. Pacific Fleet, allowing them to overtake the islands; this led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
edited Dec 5 at 17:35
answered Nov 28 at 7:41
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Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
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@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
1
@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
1
There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
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Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
1
@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
1
@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
1
There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
4
4
Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
Some of these are rather disputable. For example, wwii and invasion of France by Germany happened after the war already started. It was a logical pre-emptive strike after the war has already started. While Germany may had motivation to revenge, the actual conflict is clearly territorial and triggered by invasion of Poland. East was the main target, fighting UK and France was just a necessity after the Strange War.
– Greg
Nov 28 at 17:19
1
1
@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
@Greg I think that you are refering to what in English is named the Phoney War
– SJuan76
Nov 28 at 20:36
1
1
@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
@Greg To expand... Germany and France have been at loggerheads since at least the Franco-Prussian War with recidivism and revanchism for past losses. Now it was Germany's turn. Germany (or at least the party in power) wanted revenge for WWI. It also wanted the territory it lost to Poland and France for economic and nationalistic reasons. And it needed to knock out its hostile neighbor to the west: security. The invasion of France was nationalism, revenge, territory, economic gain, and security.
– Schwern
Nov 29 at 18:24
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
"Lebensraum" was an explicit aim of Germany in WWII. The Japanese actions that lead to WWII in China as well as their invasion of the Philippines was also very much about gaining territory. Though this really just goes to show that history usually doesn't fit into neat categories. "Religious war" being a neat category.
– Steven Burnap
Nov 29 at 21:57
1
1
There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
There's good reason to believe though that the Nazis would have been happy if England (and by extension France) would have stayed out of the war with Poland, so while it's fair to say that war with France was obviously something Hitler was preparing for, and which ultimately he was working towards, it's not that clear that the actual war aorse simply because the Nazis wanted revenge. After all, France declared war on Germany (in response to the invasion of Poland), not the other way round.
– sgf
Nov 30 at 10:11
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In addition to the good answers given already, I'd like to point out that wars are typically not mono-causal. Very often, several reasons as well as causes (i.e. sparks that light the fire) come together for a war to start.
In addition, the reasons given in public are often not the actual reasons. There are a number of explicitly religious wars (the Islamic conquests of Europe, the European answer aka The Crusades). In many other wars, religion played a role in the "us vs. them" sense - religion is one of the factors that bind people together and separates them from other people, just like language, skin colour, etc. It is easier to start a war against "others" than against "like us".
And finally, there are many parties involved in wars. The head of state might declare the war, but there are so many different people with interests involved and for some of them a financial profit might be important, for some of the territorial gains, and for some of the religion. These goals also change during the course of a war or in parts of the war. For example, JMS gave "revenge" as the reason for WW2, but the attack on Russia had other reasons, and the war in North Africa was purely for resources. Meanwhile, WW2 also had the Asian part with Japan as the aggressor, which again had different reasons to start their part.
Identifying one reason for a specific war is most likely an oversimplification. So the question as phrased doesn't even make sense because it asks to identify a mono-causal relationship which in reality does not exist.
Religion certainly played in role in most pre-modern-times wars, though it was more often used as a cover for a more simple desire (taking land, resources, disputes over hierarchy or succession, etc.) than the other way around.
I'm not a professional historian, just interested in history. From what I've found in books and other resources, historians would not, in general, agree that anything is the #1 source of wars, simply because wars are not so easy. That begins with the difference between reason and cause - between what the background of the conflict is and what often small spark caused the conflict to finally erupt. WW1 is a good example for that, it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but if that hadn't happened, something else would have most likely caused the war that everyone was pretty much waiting for.
That makes it difficult to ascertain if religion contributes to that background. For the king or whoever, it is certainly easier to start a war if he can also add religious reasons to the motivation. The 30 years war is an example where religion played a major role, but many other often regional causes added to the mix until the whole thing exploded.
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The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
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@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
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@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
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@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
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@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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In addition to the good answers given already, I'd like to point out that wars are typically not mono-causal. Very often, several reasons as well as causes (i.e. sparks that light the fire) come together for a war to start.
In addition, the reasons given in public are often not the actual reasons. There are a number of explicitly religious wars (the Islamic conquests of Europe, the European answer aka The Crusades). In many other wars, religion played a role in the "us vs. them" sense - religion is one of the factors that bind people together and separates them from other people, just like language, skin colour, etc. It is easier to start a war against "others" than against "like us".
And finally, there are many parties involved in wars. The head of state might declare the war, but there are so many different people with interests involved and for some of them a financial profit might be important, for some of the territorial gains, and for some of the religion. These goals also change during the course of a war or in parts of the war. For example, JMS gave "revenge" as the reason for WW2, but the attack on Russia had other reasons, and the war in North Africa was purely for resources. Meanwhile, WW2 also had the Asian part with Japan as the aggressor, which again had different reasons to start their part.
Identifying one reason for a specific war is most likely an oversimplification. So the question as phrased doesn't even make sense because it asks to identify a mono-causal relationship which in reality does not exist.
Religion certainly played in role in most pre-modern-times wars, though it was more often used as a cover for a more simple desire (taking land, resources, disputes over hierarchy or succession, etc.) than the other way around.
I'm not a professional historian, just interested in history. From what I've found in books and other resources, historians would not, in general, agree that anything is the #1 source of wars, simply because wars are not so easy. That begins with the difference between reason and cause - between what the background of the conflict is and what often small spark caused the conflict to finally erupt. WW1 is a good example for that, it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but if that hadn't happened, something else would have most likely caused the war that everyone was pretty much waiting for.
That makes it difficult to ascertain if religion contributes to that background. For the king or whoever, it is certainly easier to start a war if he can also add religious reasons to the motivation. The 30 years war is an example where religion played a major role, but many other often regional causes added to the mix until the whole thing exploded.
12
The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
6
@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
13
@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
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@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
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@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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up vote
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In addition to the good answers given already, I'd like to point out that wars are typically not mono-causal. Very often, several reasons as well as causes (i.e. sparks that light the fire) come together for a war to start.
In addition, the reasons given in public are often not the actual reasons. There are a number of explicitly religious wars (the Islamic conquests of Europe, the European answer aka The Crusades). In many other wars, religion played a role in the "us vs. them" sense - religion is one of the factors that bind people together and separates them from other people, just like language, skin colour, etc. It is easier to start a war against "others" than against "like us".
And finally, there are many parties involved in wars. The head of state might declare the war, but there are so many different people with interests involved and for some of them a financial profit might be important, for some of the territorial gains, and for some of the religion. These goals also change during the course of a war or in parts of the war. For example, JMS gave "revenge" as the reason for WW2, but the attack on Russia had other reasons, and the war in North Africa was purely for resources. Meanwhile, WW2 also had the Asian part with Japan as the aggressor, which again had different reasons to start their part.
Identifying one reason for a specific war is most likely an oversimplification. So the question as phrased doesn't even make sense because it asks to identify a mono-causal relationship which in reality does not exist.
Religion certainly played in role in most pre-modern-times wars, though it was more often used as a cover for a more simple desire (taking land, resources, disputes over hierarchy or succession, etc.) than the other way around.
I'm not a professional historian, just interested in history. From what I've found in books and other resources, historians would not, in general, agree that anything is the #1 source of wars, simply because wars are not so easy. That begins with the difference between reason and cause - between what the background of the conflict is and what often small spark caused the conflict to finally erupt. WW1 is a good example for that, it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but if that hadn't happened, something else would have most likely caused the war that everyone was pretty much waiting for.
That makes it difficult to ascertain if religion contributes to that background. For the king or whoever, it is certainly easier to start a war if he can also add religious reasons to the motivation. The 30 years war is an example where religion played a major role, but many other often regional causes added to the mix until the whole thing exploded.
In addition to the good answers given already, I'd like to point out that wars are typically not mono-causal. Very often, several reasons as well as causes (i.e. sparks that light the fire) come together for a war to start.
In addition, the reasons given in public are often not the actual reasons. There are a number of explicitly religious wars (the Islamic conquests of Europe, the European answer aka The Crusades). In many other wars, religion played a role in the "us vs. them" sense - religion is one of the factors that bind people together and separates them from other people, just like language, skin colour, etc. It is easier to start a war against "others" than against "like us".
And finally, there are many parties involved in wars. The head of state might declare the war, but there are so many different people with interests involved and for some of them a financial profit might be important, for some of the territorial gains, and for some of the religion. These goals also change during the course of a war or in parts of the war. For example, JMS gave "revenge" as the reason for WW2, but the attack on Russia had other reasons, and the war in North Africa was purely for resources. Meanwhile, WW2 also had the Asian part with Japan as the aggressor, which again had different reasons to start their part.
Identifying one reason for a specific war is most likely an oversimplification. So the question as phrased doesn't even make sense because it asks to identify a mono-causal relationship which in reality does not exist.
Religion certainly played in role in most pre-modern-times wars, though it was more often used as a cover for a more simple desire (taking land, resources, disputes over hierarchy or succession, etc.) than the other way around.
I'm not a professional historian, just interested in history. From what I've found in books and other resources, historians would not, in general, agree that anything is the #1 source of wars, simply because wars are not so easy. That begins with the difference between reason and cause - between what the background of the conflict is and what often small spark caused the conflict to finally erupt. WW1 is a good example for that, it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but if that hadn't happened, something else would have most likely caused the war that everyone was pretty much waiting for.
That makes it difficult to ascertain if religion contributes to that background. For the king or whoever, it is certainly easier to start a war if he can also add religious reasons to the motivation. The 30 years war is an example where religion played a major role, but many other often regional causes added to the mix until the whole thing exploded.
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The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
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@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
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@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
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@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
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@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
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@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
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@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
3
@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
7
@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
The Islamic Conquests and Christian Crusades were still just a disguise for an (attempted) land grab.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 14:44
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@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
@Hosch250 Depends on the participants. Certainly there were many who had no prospects of inheritance at home, and went on the Crusades hoping to become a lord in the East. At the same time, many kings and lords financed, organised, or participated in the Crusades without a realistic hope of gaining possessions so far from their own lands. Some were probably making political calculations, but it's dubious you can wholly discount genuine religious motivations for everyone.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 15:03
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@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
@Hosch250 - land grab or not, religion was not only a thinly veiled excuse in these cases. Especially the islamic expansion was part of the religion from the very start, Mohammed himself started this and the European wars were just the conclusion of that process. The Crusades wanted to liberate the holy lands, which by purely economical reasoning was a questionable motive, you need at least a combination with religion to make the whole thing make sense. In more simple terms: In other conflicts you can remove religion and apart from some propaganda nothing goes missing. In these two cases, not.
– Tom
Nov 28 at 16:07
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@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
@Tom By purely economic reasoning, whoever controlled the "holy lands" controlled European land-based trade with Asia.
– Hosch250
Nov 28 at 16:18
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@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
@user151841 - the silk road never went through the holy land. Its southernmost terminator was Damascus, well north of Jerusalem. But neither were chokepoints, you'd have to go into the interior, at least to Palmyra, to get a chokepoint. Crusaders never went that far. The to me most likely non-religious interpretation of the Crusades is a counter-attack against muslim invasion, as the orthodox head of Constantinople had plead for help from the pope - his religious enemy, so the situation must have been dire indeed. But that is a different discussion.
– Tom
Nov 29 at 6:39
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Q Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
Most historians agree that most wars cannot be described with a monocausal reason.
There is a big bunch of problems associated with asking the question in this way. Definitions, conceptualisations, perspective, timeframe and grammar are all undetermined or off. Is this about whether the claim as such is true or about an assumed majority opinion of historians; now or previously?
Just a thought: Who started the Global War on Terrorism? The Americans? Al-Qaeda? For what reasons (aka "cause")? Is religion the main causative motivator for the American led forces? Is it for "the other side"? Perhaps a minority might answer yes to religion as a motivator for American forces, but surely most will accept the narrative that bin-Laden and his followers were primarily religion motivated? Or do they emphasise his apology that he became offended when American troops were stationed on Saudi-Arabian soil, making this again about land and territory, 'holy' or not? But perhaps it is different yet?
Bush’s war openly remains a cosmic battle between nothing less than the transcendent forces of good and evil. Such a battle is necessarily unlimited and open-ended, and so justifies radical actions–the abandonment, for example, of established notions of civic justice at home and of traditional alliances abroad.
James Carrol: "The Bush Crusade. Sacred violence, again unleashed in 2001, could prove as destructive as in 1096.", The Nation, September 2, 2004
Historians do not always agree on a subject matter of the past. Historians diverge very widely if it is about how to apply those insights from the past to the present day. If you want to know historians view on what the reasons for war are, then a number of people will say this or that.
Samuel Huntington, for example, views that civilisations or cultures are clashing –– and were for some time now. The main differentiator of a culture by this definition is its religion. Therefore, those sympathising with the Huntington school assume that most wars are caused ultimately by religion.
But leaving aside the semantics over grammar and resultant meaning of "are caused", it seems that there still is an anachronistic and eurocentric vision dominating the way this question was to be answered here.
This question is about religion in general, not about Christianity, Islam or any form of monotheistic religion? Then religion is a prime motivator for ingroup-outgroup behaviour. It represents the core of order for any civilisation against the chaos. And therefore for war in general. We do not have to reduce "religion" to "any form of some belief" to approach the problem. Otherwise, it gets trivial: "we believe that this strip of land belongs to us, we believe to need that etc"; we believe capitalism to be so much better for mankind".
Going into a structuralist or functionalist mindset we might say that sure, religion needs a base from which to perform. So a religious motive is in reality about power, and that is about power over the inhabitants, and that is over the lands on which those inhabitants live. Muslim expansion is then nothing about any form of to invent or develop a form of Islam, just land grabbing of Arab conquistadors who happened to eventually provide an ideological superstructure to justify the new rule and system of power distribution and organise a changed set of alliances between rulers and ruled.
If we ask the propagandists for war from the past, then we have to first reflect on the nature of state and religion in general. It was indistinguishable. Romans fought a bellum sacrum, Christians had Crusades against Muslims, Albigensers, Prussians; earlier Charlemagne brought Christianity by sword to the Saxons, native Americans; Muslims conquer India, Hindus fight the Muslims, English Christians wanted to mission the world with tea, opium and Christianity for the betterment of humanity. Muslims have their jihad to this day. The Incas were weakened when Christian Spanish arrived to conquer those pagans because of a civil war to determine who really was the legitimate descendant of Inti, the sun.
Mayans had their star wars, Aztecs flower wars. The latter from a modern perspective for no particular reason, other than to capture people to be used in human sacrifice. That looks as if there is nothing else but a religious motivation in those kinds of wars. Romans inquired the auspices before going to war than performed a religious ritual on the mars field, performed evocatio deorum before the enemy's city gate, then captured the city god and added it to their own pantheon. The Hittites performed exactly likewise.
Is there any war or warlike conflict in the Bible or the early Jewish history that is not entirely about religion? The taking of the promised land, the wars against Jericho, Ai, Israel & Judah, the Maccabean Revolt, the at least three full Jewish Wars against Rome?
It can very well be argued that it is universally true, that before the 'modern state' and the ideas of separation of church and state, religion was one prime cause for all the wars.
Or it is true that rulers and generals always lie. That what really was or is the cause is always something else. All marxist historians would agree to that. And Clintonistas as well. It's the economy, stupid.
The prime motivation as stated by instigators might then be "religion", although it really is about something else: the means to rule; in form of land, labour means of production. Those who follow Claude Levi-Strauss will of cause know it even better than that: all human conflict can be broken down to disagreements over the exchange of women. Let's not forget reductionist explanations like those from an offshoot of psychoanalysis. War is an illness in society and all of society's illnesses can be cured by achieving a proper orgasm. –– If that sounds ridiculous, then looking for mono-causality of war, for any war, in the thousands of years for its history is likely as well.
Religion is one of the most powerful forces in human history, and its power makes itself known in ways both dramatic and intimate in our world today; unfortunately, the impact of religion is often divisive and violent. If we want to truly understand religion’s ability to influence human events, we need to grasp its psychological bases, and to take a scientific approach to religious psychology means using our best theories of how the mind works.
John Teehan: "In the Name of God. The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Ethics and Violence", Wiley-Blackwell, 2010.
Martha T Nussbaum: "Democracy, Religious Violence, and
India’s Future",
This is one of history's ironies, that although religion has been used to justify violence, violence can also empower religion. Perhaps understandably. therefore. in the wake of secularism, and after years of wait· ing in history's wings, religion has made its reappearance as an ideology of social order in a dramatic fashion: violently. In time the violence will end, but the point will remain. Religion gives spirit to public life and provides a beacon for moral order. At the same time, it needs the temper of rationality and fair play that Enlightenment values give to civil society. Thus religious violence cannot end until some accommodation can be forged between the two-some assertion of moderation in religion's passion and some acknowledgement of religion in elevating the spiritual and moral values of public life.
Mark Juergensmeyer: "Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence", University of California Press: Berkeley, London, 2000.
To understand the role of religion in the emergence of American empire, we need to look beyond any simple opposition or interaction between “church” and “state” and see instead how the construction and corrosion of power and authority have operated across sectors of society, especially around apparently “secular” categories in which the displacements of religious logic have most
effectively operated under assertions of innocence, purity, or transcendence. ose categories through which the material origins of desire have most consistently been compressed and displaced in America are age, race, and gender, as expressed in the culture in various identities associated with collectives like the nation or, now, an empire.
Jon Pahl: "Empire of Sacrifice. The Religious Origins of American Violence", New York University Press: New York, London, 2010.
Violence served to uphold the Egyptian concept of correct order, known as Ma'at. Some violence, such as sacrificial servant burial, did so by ensuring that correct social order continued in the next life. Most violence in the service of the order was aimed at the destruction of chaos, or Isfet.
Kerry Miles Muhlenstein: "Violence in the Service of Order: The Religious Framework for Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt", Dissertation, University of California: Los Angeles, 2003.
Much has been written about the relationship between religion and violence, and much of what has been written is aimed at determining whether, how, and why religion causes violence. This book has a different goal. Followers of many different religions who commit violent acts seek to justify these by appealing to religion. I aim to understand how such justifications proceed; and how they do, or do not, differ from ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will show that religious justifications for violence generally exemplify the same logical forms as ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will also show that many religiously based justifications for violence are as acceptable as rigorous secular justifications for violence, provided that crucial premises, which religion supplies, are accepted. Religious believers are able to incorporate premises, grounded in the metaphysics of religious worldviews, in arguments for the conclusion that this or that violent act is justified. I examine three widely employed types of premises that appear in such arguments. These are: appeals to a state of “cosmic war,” appeals to the afterlife, and appeals to sacred values.
Steve Clarke: "The Justification of Religious Violence", Blackwell: Chichester, 2014.
The Enduring Relationship of Religion and Violence / Violence and Nonviolence at the Heart of Hindu Ethics / Buddhist Traditions and Violence / Sikh Traditions and Violence / Religion and Violence in the Jewish Traditions / Religion and Violence in Christian Traditions / Muslim Engagement with Injustice and Violence / African Traditional Religion and Violence / Religion and Violence in Pacific Island Societies / Violence in Chinese Religious Traditions
Mark Juergensmeyer & Margo Kitts & Michael K. Jerryson: "Violence and the World’s Religious Traditions. An Introduction", Oxford University Press, 2017.
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Q Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
Most historians agree that most wars cannot be described with a monocausal reason.
There is a big bunch of problems associated with asking the question in this way. Definitions, conceptualisations, perspective, timeframe and grammar are all undetermined or off. Is this about whether the claim as such is true or about an assumed majority opinion of historians; now or previously?
Just a thought: Who started the Global War on Terrorism? The Americans? Al-Qaeda? For what reasons (aka "cause")? Is religion the main causative motivator for the American led forces? Is it for "the other side"? Perhaps a minority might answer yes to religion as a motivator for American forces, but surely most will accept the narrative that bin-Laden and his followers were primarily religion motivated? Or do they emphasise his apology that he became offended when American troops were stationed on Saudi-Arabian soil, making this again about land and territory, 'holy' or not? But perhaps it is different yet?
Bush’s war openly remains a cosmic battle between nothing less than the transcendent forces of good and evil. Such a battle is necessarily unlimited and open-ended, and so justifies radical actions–the abandonment, for example, of established notions of civic justice at home and of traditional alliances abroad.
James Carrol: "The Bush Crusade. Sacred violence, again unleashed in 2001, could prove as destructive as in 1096.", The Nation, September 2, 2004
Historians do not always agree on a subject matter of the past. Historians diverge very widely if it is about how to apply those insights from the past to the present day. If you want to know historians view on what the reasons for war are, then a number of people will say this or that.
Samuel Huntington, for example, views that civilisations or cultures are clashing –– and were for some time now. The main differentiator of a culture by this definition is its religion. Therefore, those sympathising with the Huntington school assume that most wars are caused ultimately by religion.
But leaving aside the semantics over grammar and resultant meaning of "are caused", it seems that there still is an anachronistic and eurocentric vision dominating the way this question was to be answered here.
This question is about religion in general, not about Christianity, Islam or any form of monotheistic religion? Then religion is a prime motivator for ingroup-outgroup behaviour. It represents the core of order for any civilisation against the chaos. And therefore for war in general. We do not have to reduce "religion" to "any form of some belief" to approach the problem. Otherwise, it gets trivial: "we believe that this strip of land belongs to us, we believe to need that etc"; we believe capitalism to be so much better for mankind".
Going into a structuralist or functionalist mindset we might say that sure, religion needs a base from which to perform. So a religious motive is in reality about power, and that is about power over the inhabitants, and that is over the lands on which those inhabitants live. Muslim expansion is then nothing about any form of to invent or develop a form of Islam, just land grabbing of Arab conquistadors who happened to eventually provide an ideological superstructure to justify the new rule and system of power distribution and organise a changed set of alliances between rulers and ruled.
If we ask the propagandists for war from the past, then we have to first reflect on the nature of state and religion in general. It was indistinguishable. Romans fought a bellum sacrum, Christians had Crusades against Muslims, Albigensers, Prussians; earlier Charlemagne brought Christianity by sword to the Saxons, native Americans; Muslims conquer India, Hindus fight the Muslims, English Christians wanted to mission the world with tea, opium and Christianity for the betterment of humanity. Muslims have their jihad to this day. The Incas were weakened when Christian Spanish arrived to conquer those pagans because of a civil war to determine who really was the legitimate descendant of Inti, the sun.
Mayans had their star wars, Aztecs flower wars. The latter from a modern perspective for no particular reason, other than to capture people to be used in human sacrifice. That looks as if there is nothing else but a religious motivation in those kinds of wars. Romans inquired the auspices before going to war than performed a religious ritual on the mars field, performed evocatio deorum before the enemy's city gate, then captured the city god and added it to their own pantheon. The Hittites performed exactly likewise.
Is there any war or warlike conflict in the Bible or the early Jewish history that is not entirely about religion? The taking of the promised land, the wars against Jericho, Ai, Israel & Judah, the Maccabean Revolt, the at least three full Jewish Wars against Rome?
It can very well be argued that it is universally true, that before the 'modern state' and the ideas of separation of church and state, religion was one prime cause for all the wars.
Or it is true that rulers and generals always lie. That what really was or is the cause is always something else. All marxist historians would agree to that. And Clintonistas as well. It's the economy, stupid.
The prime motivation as stated by instigators might then be "religion", although it really is about something else: the means to rule; in form of land, labour means of production. Those who follow Claude Levi-Strauss will of cause know it even better than that: all human conflict can be broken down to disagreements over the exchange of women. Let's not forget reductionist explanations like those from an offshoot of psychoanalysis. War is an illness in society and all of society's illnesses can be cured by achieving a proper orgasm. –– If that sounds ridiculous, then looking for mono-causality of war, for any war, in the thousands of years for its history is likely as well.
Religion is one of the most powerful forces in human history, and its power makes itself known in ways both dramatic and intimate in our world today; unfortunately, the impact of religion is often divisive and violent. If we want to truly understand religion’s ability to influence human events, we need to grasp its psychological bases, and to take a scientific approach to religious psychology means using our best theories of how the mind works.
John Teehan: "In the Name of God. The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Ethics and Violence", Wiley-Blackwell, 2010.
Martha T Nussbaum: "Democracy, Religious Violence, and
India’s Future",
This is one of history's ironies, that although religion has been used to justify violence, violence can also empower religion. Perhaps understandably. therefore. in the wake of secularism, and after years of wait· ing in history's wings, religion has made its reappearance as an ideology of social order in a dramatic fashion: violently. In time the violence will end, but the point will remain. Religion gives spirit to public life and provides a beacon for moral order. At the same time, it needs the temper of rationality and fair play that Enlightenment values give to civil society. Thus religious violence cannot end until some accommodation can be forged between the two-some assertion of moderation in religion's passion and some acknowledgement of religion in elevating the spiritual and moral values of public life.
Mark Juergensmeyer: "Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence", University of California Press: Berkeley, London, 2000.
To understand the role of religion in the emergence of American empire, we need to look beyond any simple opposition or interaction between “church” and “state” and see instead how the construction and corrosion of power and authority have operated across sectors of society, especially around apparently “secular” categories in which the displacements of religious logic have most
effectively operated under assertions of innocence, purity, or transcendence. ose categories through which the material origins of desire have most consistently been compressed and displaced in America are age, race, and gender, as expressed in the culture in various identities associated with collectives like the nation or, now, an empire.
Jon Pahl: "Empire of Sacrifice. The Religious Origins of American Violence", New York University Press: New York, London, 2010.
Violence served to uphold the Egyptian concept of correct order, known as Ma'at. Some violence, such as sacrificial servant burial, did so by ensuring that correct social order continued in the next life. Most violence in the service of the order was aimed at the destruction of chaos, or Isfet.
Kerry Miles Muhlenstein: "Violence in the Service of Order: The Religious Framework for Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt", Dissertation, University of California: Los Angeles, 2003.
Much has been written about the relationship between religion and violence, and much of what has been written is aimed at determining whether, how, and why religion causes violence. This book has a different goal. Followers of many different religions who commit violent acts seek to justify these by appealing to religion. I aim to understand how such justifications proceed; and how they do, or do not, differ from ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will show that religious justifications for violence generally exemplify the same logical forms as ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will also show that many religiously based justifications for violence are as acceptable as rigorous secular justifications for violence, provided that crucial premises, which religion supplies, are accepted. Religious believers are able to incorporate premises, grounded in the metaphysics of religious worldviews, in arguments for the conclusion that this or that violent act is justified. I examine three widely employed types of premises that appear in such arguments. These are: appeals to a state of “cosmic war,” appeals to the afterlife, and appeals to sacred values.
Steve Clarke: "The Justification of Religious Violence", Blackwell: Chichester, 2014.
The Enduring Relationship of Religion and Violence / Violence and Nonviolence at the Heart of Hindu Ethics / Buddhist Traditions and Violence / Sikh Traditions and Violence / Religion and Violence in the Jewish Traditions / Religion and Violence in Christian Traditions / Muslim Engagement with Injustice and Violence / African Traditional Religion and Violence / Religion and Violence in Pacific Island Societies / Violence in Chinese Religious Traditions
Mark Juergensmeyer & Margo Kitts & Michael K. Jerryson: "Violence and the World’s Religious Traditions. An Introduction", Oxford University Press, 2017.
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Q Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
Most historians agree that most wars cannot be described with a monocausal reason.
There is a big bunch of problems associated with asking the question in this way. Definitions, conceptualisations, perspective, timeframe and grammar are all undetermined or off. Is this about whether the claim as such is true or about an assumed majority opinion of historians; now or previously?
Just a thought: Who started the Global War on Terrorism? The Americans? Al-Qaeda? For what reasons (aka "cause")? Is religion the main causative motivator for the American led forces? Is it for "the other side"? Perhaps a minority might answer yes to religion as a motivator for American forces, but surely most will accept the narrative that bin-Laden and his followers were primarily religion motivated? Or do they emphasise his apology that he became offended when American troops were stationed on Saudi-Arabian soil, making this again about land and territory, 'holy' or not? But perhaps it is different yet?
Bush’s war openly remains a cosmic battle between nothing less than the transcendent forces of good and evil. Such a battle is necessarily unlimited and open-ended, and so justifies radical actions–the abandonment, for example, of established notions of civic justice at home and of traditional alliances abroad.
James Carrol: "The Bush Crusade. Sacred violence, again unleashed in 2001, could prove as destructive as in 1096.", The Nation, September 2, 2004
Historians do not always agree on a subject matter of the past. Historians diverge very widely if it is about how to apply those insights from the past to the present day. If you want to know historians view on what the reasons for war are, then a number of people will say this or that.
Samuel Huntington, for example, views that civilisations or cultures are clashing –– and were for some time now. The main differentiator of a culture by this definition is its religion. Therefore, those sympathising with the Huntington school assume that most wars are caused ultimately by religion.
But leaving aside the semantics over grammar and resultant meaning of "are caused", it seems that there still is an anachronistic and eurocentric vision dominating the way this question was to be answered here.
This question is about religion in general, not about Christianity, Islam or any form of monotheistic religion? Then religion is a prime motivator for ingroup-outgroup behaviour. It represents the core of order for any civilisation against the chaos. And therefore for war in general. We do not have to reduce "religion" to "any form of some belief" to approach the problem. Otherwise, it gets trivial: "we believe that this strip of land belongs to us, we believe to need that etc"; we believe capitalism to be so much better for mankind".
Going into a structuralist or functionalist mindset we might say that sure, religion needs a base from which to perform. So a religious motive is in reality about power, and that is about power over the inhabitants, and that is over the lands on which those inhabitants live. Muslim expansion is then nothing about any form of to invent or develop a form of Islam, just land grabbing of Arab conquistadors who happened to eventually provide an ideological superstructure to justify the new rule and system of power distribution and organise a changed set of alliances between rulers and ruled.
If we ask the propagandists for war from the past, then we have to first reflect on the nature of state and religion in general. It was indistinguishable. Romans fought a bellum sacrum, Christians had Crusades against Muslims, Albigensers, Prussians; earlier Charlemagne brought Christianity by sword to the Saxons, native Americans; Muslims conquer India, Hindus fight the Muslims, English Christians wanted to mission the world with tea, opium and Christianity for the betterment of humanity. Muslims have their jihad to this day. The Incas were weakened when Christian Spanish arrived to conquer those pagans because of a civil war to determine who really was the legitimate descendant of Inti, the sun.
Mayans had their star wars, Aztecs flower wars. The latter from a modern perspective for no particular reason, other than to capture people to be used in human sacrifice. That looks as if there is nothing else but a religious motivation in those kinds of wars. Romans inquired the auspices before going to war than performed a religious ritual on the mars field, performed evocatio deorum before the enemy's city gate, then captured the city god and added it to their own pantheon. The Hittites performed exactly likewise.
Is there any war or warlike conflict in the Bible or the early Jewish history that is not entirely about religion? The taking of the promised land, the wars against Jericho, Ai, Israel & Judah, the Maccabean Revolt, the at least three full Jewish Wars against Rome?
It can very well be argued that it is universally true, that before the 'modern state' and the ideas of separation of church and state, religion was one prime cause for all the wars.
Or it is true that rulers and generals always lie. That what really was or is the cause is always something else. All marxist historians would agree to that. And Clintonistas as well. It's the economy, stupid.
The prime motivation as stated by instigators might then be "religion", although it really is about something else: the means to rule; in form of land, labour means of production. Those who follow Claude Levi-Strauss will of cause know it even better than that: all human conflict can be broken down to disagreements over the exchange of women. Let's not forget reductionist explanations like those from an offshoot of psychoanalysis. War is an illness in society and all of society's illnesses can be cured by achieving a proper orgasm. –– If that sounds ridiculous, then looking for mono-causality of war, for any war, in the thousands of years for its history is likely as well.
Religion is one of the most powerful forces in human history, and its power makes itself known in ways both dramatic and intimate in our world today; unfortunately, the impact of religion is often divisive and violent. If we want to truly understand religion’s ability to influence human events, we need to grasp its psychological bases, and to take a scientific approach to religious psychology means using our best theories of how the mind works.
John Teehan: "In the Name of God. The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Ethics and Violence", Wiley-Blackwell, 2010.
Martha T Nussbaum: "Democracy, Religious Violence, and
India’s Future",
This is one of history's ironies, that although religion has been used to justify violence, violence can also empower religion. Perhaps understandably. therefore. in the wake of secularism, and after years of wait· ing in history's wings, religion has made its reappearance as an ideology of social order in a dramatic fashion: violently. In time the violence will end, but the point will remain. Religion gives spirit to public life and provides a beacon for moral order. At the same time, it needs the temper of rationality and fair play that Enlightenment values give to civil society. Thus religious violence cannot end until some accommodation can be forged between the two-some assertion of moderation in religion's passion and some acknowledgement of religion in elevating the spiritual and moral values of public life.
Mark Juergensmeyer: "Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence", University of California Press: Berkeley, London, 2000.
To understand the role of religion in the emergence of American empire, we need to look beyond any simple opposition or interaction between “church” and “state” and see instead how the construction and corrosion of power and authority have operated across sectors of society, especially around apparently “secular” categories in which the displacements of religious logic have most
effectively operated under assertions of innocence, purity, or transcendence. ose categories through which the material origins of desire have most consistently been compressed and displaced in America are age, race, and gender, as expressed in the culture in various identities associated with collectives like the nation or, now, an empire.
Jon Pahl: "Empire of Sacrifice. The Religious Origins of American Violence", New York University Press: New York, London, 2010.
Violence served to uphold the Egyptian concept of correct order, known as Ma'at. Some violence, such as sacrificial servant burial, did so by ensuring that correct social order continued in the next life. Most violence in the service of the order was aimed at the destruction of chaos, or Isfet.
Kerry Miles Muhlenstein: "Violence in the Service of Order: The Religious Framework for Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt", Dissertation, University of California: Los Angeles, 2003.
Much has been written about the relationship between religion and violence, and much of what has been written is aimed at determining whether, how, and why religion causes violence. This book has a different goal. Followers of many different religions who commit violent acts seek to justify these by appealing to religion. I aim to understand how such justifications proceed; and how they do, or do not, differ from ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will show that religious justifications for violence generally exemplify the same logical forms as ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will also show that many religiously based justifications for violence are as acceptable as rigorous secular justifications for violence, provided that crucial premises, which religion supplies, are accepted. Religious believers are able to incorporate premises, grounded in the metaphysics of religious worldviews, in arguments for the conclusion that this or that violent act is justified. I examine three widely employed types of premises that appear in such arguments. These are: appeals to a state of “cosmic war,” appeals to the afterlife, and appeals to sacred values.
Steve Clarke: "The Justification of Religious Violence", Blackwell: Chichester, 2014.
The Enduring Relationship of Religion and Violence / Violence and Nonviolence at the Heart of Hindu Ethics / Buddhist Traditions and Violence / Sikh Traditions and Violence / Religion and Violence in the Jewish Traditions / Religion and Violence in Christian Traditions / Muslim Engagement with Injustice and Violence / African Traditional Religion and Violence / Religion and Violence in Pacific Island Societies / Violence in Chinese Religious Traditions
Mark Juergensmeyer & Margo Kitts & Michael K. Jerryson: "Violence and the World’s Religious Traditions. An Introduction", Oxford University Press, 2017.
Q Do historians agree that most wars are caused by religion?
Most historians agree that most wars cannot be described with a monocausal reason.
There is a big bunch of problems associated with asking the question in this way. Definitions, conceptualisations, perspective, timeframe and grammar are all undetermined or off. Is this about whether the claim as such is true or about an assumed majority opinion of historians; now or previously?
Just a thought: Who started the Global War on Terrorism? The Americans? Al-Qaeda? For what reasons (aka "cause")? Is religion the main causative motivator for the American led forces? Is it for "the other side"? Perhaps a minority might answer yes to religion as a motivator for American forces, but surely most will accept the narrative that bin-Laden and his followers were primarily religion motivated? Or do they emphasise his apology that he became offended when American troops were stationed on Saudi-Arabian soil, making this again about land and territory, 'holy' or not? But perhaps it is different yet?
Bush’s war openly remains a cosmic battle between nothing less than the transcendent forces of good and evil. Such a battle is necessarily unlimited and open-ended, and so justifies radical actions–the abandonment, for example, of established notions of civic justice at home and of traditional alliances abroad.
James Carrol: "The Bush Crusade. Sacred violence, again unleashed in 2001, could prove as destructive as in 1096.", The Nation, September 2, 2004
Historians do not always agree on a subject matter of the past. Historians diverge very widely if it is about how to apply those insights from the past to the present day. If you want to know historians view on what the reasons for war are, then a number of people will say this or that.
Samuel Huntington, for example, views that civilisations or cultures are clashing –– and were for some time now. The main differentiator of a culture by this definition is its religion. Therefore, those sympathising with the Huntington school assume that most wars are caused ultimately by religion.
But leaving aside the semantics over grammar and resultant meaning of "are caused", it seems that there still is an anachronistic and eurocentric vision dominating the way this question was to be answered here.
This question is about religion in general, not about Christianity, Islam or any form of monotheistic religion? Then religion is a prime motivator for ingroup-outgroup behaviour. It represents the core of order for any civilisation against the chaos. And therefore for war in general. We do not have to reduce "religion" to "any form of some belief" to approach the problem. Otherwise, it gets trivial: "we believe that this strip of land belongs to us, we believe to need that etc"; we believe capitalism to be so much better for mankind".
Going into a structuralist or functionalist mindset we might say that sure, religion needs a base from which to perform. So a religious motive is in reality about power, and that is about power over the inhabitants, and that is over the lands on which those inhabitants live. Muslim expansion is then nothing about any form of to invent or develop a form of Islam, just land grabbing of Arab conquistadors who happened to eventually provide an ideological superstructure to justify the new rule and system of power distribution and organise a changed set of alliances between rulers and ruled.
If we ask the propagandists for war from the past, then we have to first reflect on the nature of state and religion in general. It was indistinguishable. Romans fought a bellum sacrum, Christians had Crusades against Muslims, Albigensers, Prussians; earlier Charlemagne brought Christianity by sword to the Saxons, native Americans; Muslims conquer India, Hindus fight the Muslims, English Christians wanted to mission the world with tea, opium and Christianity for the betterment of humanity. Muslims have their jihad to this day. The Incas were weakened when Christian Spanish arrived to conquer those pagans because of a civil war to determine who really was the legitimate descendant of Inti, the sun.
Mayans had their star wars, Aztecs flower wars. The latter from a modern perspective for no particular reason, other than to capture people to be used in human sacrifice. That looks as if there is nothing else but a religious motivation in those kinds of wars. Romans inquired the auspices before going to war than performed a religious ritual on the mars field, performed evocatio deorum before the enemy's city gate, then captured the city god and added it to their own pantheon. The Hittites performed exactly likewise.
Is there any war or warlike conflict in the Bible or the early Jewish history that is not entirely about religion? The taking of the promised land, the wars against Jericho, Ai, Israel & Judah, the Maccabean Revolt, the at least three full Jewish Wars against Rome?
It can very well be argued that it is universally true, that before the 'modern state' and the ideas of separation of church and state, religion was one prime cause for all the wars.
Or it is true that rulers and generals always lie. That what really was or is the cause is always something else. All marxist historians would agree to that. And Clintonistas as well. It's the economy, stupid.
The prime motivation as stated by instigators might then be "religion", although it really is about something else: the means to rule; in form of land, labour means of production. Those who follow Claude Levi-Strauss will of cause know it even better than that: all human conflict can be broken down to disagreements over the exchange of women. Let's not forget reductionist explanations like those from an offshoot of psychoanalysis. War is an illness in society and all of society's illnesses can be cured by achieving a proper orgasm. –– If that sounds ridiculous, then looking for mono-causality of war, for any war, in the thousands of years for its history is likely as well.
Religion is one of the most powerful forces in human history, and its power makes itself known in ways both dramatic and intimate in our world today; unfortunately, the impact of religion is often divisive and violent. If we want to truly understand religion’s ability to influence human events, we need to grasp its psychological bases, and to take a scientific approach to religious psychology means using our best theories of how the mind works.
John Teehan: "In the Name of God. The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Ethics and Violence", Wiley-Blackwell, 2010.
Martha T Nussbaum: "Democracy, Religious Violence, and
India’s Future",
This is one of history's ironies, that although religion has been used to justify violence, violence can also empower religion. Perhaps understandably. therefore. in the wake of secularism, and after years of wait· ing in history's wings, religion has made its reappearance as an ideology of social order in a dramatic fashion: violently. In time the violence will end, but the point will remain. Religion gives spirit to public life and provides a beacon for moral order. At the same time, it needs the temper of rationality and fair play that Enlightenment values give to civil society. Thus religious violence cannot end until some accommodation can be forged between the two-some assertion of moderation in religion's passion and some acknowledgement of religion in elevating the spiritual and moral values of public life.
Mark Juergensmeyer: "Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence", University of California Press: Berkeley, London, 2000.
To understand the role of religion in the emergence of American empire, we need to look beyond any simple opposition or interaction between “church” and “state” and see instead how the construction and corrosion of power and authority have operated across sectors of society, especially around apparently “secular” categories in which the displacements of religious logic have most
effectively operated under assertions of innocence, purity, or transcendence. ose categories through which the material origins of desire have most consistently been compressed and displaced in America are age, race, and gender, as expressed in the culture in various identities associated with collectives like the nation or, now, an empire.
Jon Pahl: "Empire of Sacrifice. The Religious Origins of American Violence", New York University Press: New York, London, 2010.
Violence served to uphold the Egyptian concept of correct order, known as Ma'at. Some violence, such as sacrificial servant burial, did so by ensuring that correct social order continued in the next life. Most violence in the service of the order was aimed at the destruction of chaos, or Isfet.
Kerry Miles Muhlenstein: "Violence in the Service of Order: The Religious Framework for Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt", Dissertation, University of California: Los Angeles, 2003.
Much has been written about the relationship between religion and violence, and much of what has been written is aimed at determining whether, how, and why religion causes violence. This book has a different goal. Followers of many different religions who commit violent acts seek to justify these by appealing to religion. I aim to understand how such justifications proceed; and how they do, or do not, differ from ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will show that religious justifications for violence generally exemplify the same logical forms as ordinary secular justifications for violence. I will also show that many religiously based justifications for violence are as acceptable as rigorous secular justifications for violence, provided that crucial premises, which religion supplies, are accepted. Religious believers are able to incorporate premises, grounded in the metaphysics of religious worldviews, in arguments for the conclusion that this or that violent act is justified. I examine three widely employed types of premises that appear in such arguments. These are: appeals to a state of “cosmic war,” appeals to the afterlife, and appeals to sacred values.
Steve Clarke: "The Justification of Religious Violence", Blackwell: Chichester, 2014.
The Enduring Relationship of Religion and Violence / Violence and Nonviolence at the Heart of Hindu Ethics / Buddhist Traditions and Violence / Sikh Traditions and Violence / Religion and Violence in the Jewish Traditions / Religion and Violence in Christian Traditions / Muslim Engagement with Injustice and Violence / African Traditional Religion and Violence / Religion and Violence in Pacific Island Societies / Violence in Chinese Religious Traditions
Mark Juergensmeyer & Margo Kitts & Michael K. Jerryson: "Violence and the World’s Religious Traditions. An Introduction", Oxford University Press, 2017.
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Historians, by and large, agree that most wars fought for resources and thus are caused by the greed for worldly or physical gain, be it land, women or money. See: "Encyclopedia of Wars," by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
However, in order to motivate the masses, they used religion as a motivational tool. This still works today, given how many use Christianity as a motivation to be a conservative. This is ironic, given that that religion was essentially a rebel movement, against the Roman Empire and decidedly not a conservative cause.
Therefore, while religion itself might not cause wars, it does acerbate them because religion is used as a justification. Joan of Arc, the Civil War, Colonial wars would not have had this effect had it not been for the religious motivation. And it's doubtful that Joan of Arc would have gone to Germany or Africa to fight perfidious Albion.
As a side effect of triumphantly decrying that religion is NOT a cause of wars, some play the fake victim card: "Oh, us poor Christians, who are oppressed by the evil atheist hordes."
I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
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@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
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Historians, by and large, agree that most wars fought for resources and thus are caused by the greed for worldly or physical gain, be it land, women or money. See: "Encyclopedia of Wars," by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
However, in order to motivate the masses, they used religion as a motivational tool. This still works today, given how many use Christianity as a motivation to be a conservative. This is ironic, given that that religion was essentially a rebel movement, against the Roman Empire and decidedly not a conservative cause.
Therefore, while religion itself might not cause wars, it does acerbate them because religion is used as a justification. Joan of Arc, the Civil War, Colonial wars would not have had this effect had it not been for the religious motivation. And it's doubtful that Joan of Arc would have gone to Germany or Africa to fight perfidious Albion.
As a side effect of triumphantly decrying that religion is NOT a cause of wars, some play the fake victim card: "Oh, us poor Christians, who are oppressed by the evil atheist hordes."
I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
3
@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
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Historians, by and large, agree that most wars fought for resources and thus are caused by the greed for worldly or physical gain, be it land, women or money. See: "Encyclopedia of Wars," by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
However, in order to motivate the masses, they used religion as a motivational tool. This still works today, given how many use Christianity as a motivation to be a conservative. This is ironic, given that that religion was essentially a rebel movement, against the Roman Empire and decidedly not a conservative cause.
Therefore, while religion itself might not cause wars, it does acerbate them because religion is used as a justification. Joan of Arc, the Civil War, Colonial wars would not have had this effect had it not been for the religious motivation. And it's doubtful that Joan of Arc would have gone to Germany or Africa to fight perfidious Albion.
As a side effect of triumphantly decrying that religion is NOT a cause of wars, some play the fake victim card: "Oh, us poor Christians, who are oppressed by the evil atheist hordes."
Historians, by and large, agree that most wars fought for resources and thus are caused by the greed for worldly or physical gain, be it land, women or money. See: "Encyclopedia of Wars," by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
However, in order to motivate the masses, they used religion as a motivational tool. This still works today, given how many use Christianity as a motivation to be a conservative. This is ironic, given that that religion was essentially a rebel movement, against the Roman Empire and decidedly not a conservative cause.
Therefore, while religion itself might not cause wars, it does acerbate them because religion is used as a justification. Joan of Arc, the Civil War, Colonial wars would not have had this effect had it not been for the religious motivation. And it's doubtful that Joan of Arc would have gone to Germany or Africa to fight perfidious Albion.
As a side effect of triumphantly decrying that religion is NOT a cause of wars, some play the fake victim card: "Oh, us poor Christians, who are oppressed by the evil atheist hordes."
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I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
3
@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
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I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
3
@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
I am unaware of any religious arguments used to gain support for or provide justification of the American Civil War or the American Revolution.
– Michael J.
Nov 29 at 20:16
3
3
@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@Michael: not necessarily a "cause", but you're only asking for an argument. There were theologial debates over slavery, and Franklin proposed in 1776 "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" as the motto for the US Seal, but they went with "E pluribus unem". That would seem to be a religious point (albeit that's not a fully-developed form of it) in favour of the revolutionary war. It would be astonishing if literally no religious argument was used by anybody in favour of (and against) anything important.
– Steve Jessop
Dec 2 at 1:45
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@MichaelJ. Eeehm, your reasoning is fallacious, therefor invalid. It has no value. Consider that I didn't claim religion was a NECESSITY to start a war. And further: Did no-one claim in either of those wars that "God was on their side" ? I'm gonna take a wild guess </sarcasm> and say that both sides in both wars claimed exactly that. 2,1 seconds of googling will find you Southern claims that slavery was A-OK because of the "Curse of Ham". In typical southern conservative fashion, even THAT was a lie: Ham wasn't black, and his descendants weren't Africans.
– GwenKillerby
Dec 12 at 15:12
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
@ GwenKillerby, you made a rather gratuitous assertion that "religion" was used to justify the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. I challenge you to prove that assertion, otherwise, your assertion is nothing other than your own personal opinion
– Michael J.
Dec 12 at 20:23
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I have never read such a theory, by any historian. This is likely because few real historians have ever made the claim.
I think we can easily see why that is: To be "most" it must be over 50%.
But not all religions are warlike. And not all warlike religions can be used to justify/launch wars.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions. And they can most certainly not be used to justify wars (the god of those religions can't be owned by a group of followers. And those gods never made any promises, and never demanded the followers to find new followers)
Shintoism is warlike religion but it can't be used to start wars. because it isn't a god-owning religion.
Mesoamerican religions are not overly well understood, but given they didn't launch a holy war against the foreign invaders it seems pretty clear that holy war wasn't their thing. Native americans also don't have a war like religion.
Right there, that's more than 1/2 the world, and probably more than 1/2 the wars ever fought.
Then there are a few religions that are both warlike and war justifying. This is made possible by a custom made god that institutionalizes racism, makes land grant, and gives a religious mandate to spread the truth of 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith' to anyone lacking in 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith'. And if the infidels, heathens, nonbelievers, etc. refuse to accept the truth, the followers are encouraged to convert them, by force if necessary.
But even then, not too many of the wars by the adherents were actually fought in the name of those religions. And most of the biggest ones were all religion free. Napoleonic War, Franco-Prussian War, WWI, WWII, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the crimean war, etc. That doesn't mean each side didn't bring their holy men with them to war, to ask their god to smite down those other guys in the opposing army.
So I would say a tiny percentage of wars are caused by religion, the rest are caused by kings playing the game of thrones.
1
+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
1
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
1
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
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To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
1
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
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I have never read such a theory, by any historian. This is likely because few real historians have ever made the claim.
I think we can easily see why that is: To be "most" it must be over 50%.
But not all religions are warlike. And not all warlike religions can be used to justify/launch wars.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions. And they can most certainly not be used to justify wars (the god of those religions can't be owned by a group of followers. And those gods never made any promises, and never demanded the followers to find new followers)
Shintoism is warlike religion but it can't be used to start wars. because it isn't a god-owning religion.
Mesoamerican religions are not overly well understood, but given they didn't launch a holy war against the foreign invaders it seems pretty clear that holy war wasn't their thing. Native americans also don't have a war like religion.
Right there, that's more than 1/2 the world, and probably more than 1/2 the wars ever fought.
Then there are a few religions that are both warlike and war justifying. This is made possible by a custom made god that institutionalizes racism, makes land grant, and gives a religious mandate to spread the truth of 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith' to anyone lacking in 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith'. And if the infidels, heathens, nonbelievers, etc. refuse to accept the truth, the followers are encouraged to convert them, by force if necessary.
But even then, not too many of the wars by the adherents were actually fought in the name of those religions. And most of the biggest ones were all religion free. Napoleonic War, Franco-Prussian War, WWI, WWII, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the crimean war, etc. That doesn't mean each side didn't bring their holy men with them to war, to ask their god to smite down those other guys in the opposing army.
So I would say a tiny percentage of wars are caused by religion, the rest are caused by kings playing the game of thrones.
1
+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
1
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
1
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
2
To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
1
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
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up vote
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I have never read such a theory, by any historian. This is likely because few real historians have ever made the claim.
I think we can easily see why that is: To be "most" it must be over 50%.
But not all religions are warlike. And not all warlike religions can be used to justify/launch wars.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions. And they can most certainly not be used to justify wars (the god of those religions can't be owned by a group of followers. And those gods never made any promises, and never demanded the followers to find new followers)
Shintoism is warlike religion but it can't be used to start wars. because it isn't a god-owning religion.
Mesoamerican religions are not overly well understood, but given they didn't launch a holy war against the foreign invaders it seems pretty clear that holy war wasn't their thing. Native americans also don't have a war like religion.
Right there, that's more than 1/2 the world, and probably more than 1/2 the wars ever fought.
Then there are a few religions that are both warlike and war justifying. This is made possible by a custom made god that institutionalizes racism, makes land grant, and gives a religious mandate to spread the truth of 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith' to anyone lacking in 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith'. And if the infidels, heathens, nonbelievers, etc. refuse to accept the truth, the followers are encouraged to convert them, by force if necessary.
But even then, not too many of the wars by the adherents were actually fought in the name of those religions. And most of the biggest ones were all religion free. Napoleonic War, Franco-Prussian War, WWI, WWII, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the crimean war, etc. That doesn't mean each side didn't bring their holy men with them to war, to ask their god to smite down those other guys in the opposing army.
So I would say a tiny percentage of wars are caused by religion, the rest are caused by kings playing the game of thrones.
I have never read such a theory, by any historian. This is likely because few real historians have ever made the claim.
I think we can easily see why that is: To be "most" it must be over 50%.
But not all religions are warlike. And not all warlike religions can be used to justify/launch wars.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions. And they can most certainly not be used to justify wars (the god of those religions can't be owned by a group of followers. And those gods never made any promises, and never demanded the followers to find new followers)
Shintoism is warlike religion but it can't be used to start wars. because it isn't a god-owning religion.
Mesoamerican religions are not overly well understood, but given they didn't launch a holy war against the foreign invaders it seems pretty clear that holy war wasn't their thing. Native americans also don't have a war like religion.
Right there, that's more than 1/2 the world, and probably more than 1/2 the wars ever fought.
Then there are a few religions that are both warlike and war justifying. This is made possible by a custom made god that institutionalizes racism, makes land grant, and gives a religious mandate to spread the truth of 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith' to anyone lacking in 'love', 'peace', 'hope', 'chosen' and 'faith'. And if the infidels, heathens, nonbelievers, etc. refuse to accept the truth, the followers are encouraged to convert them, by force if necessary.
But even then, not too many of the wars by the adherents were actually fought in the name of those religions. And most of the biggest ones were all religion free. Napoleonic War, Franco-Prussian War, WWI, WWII, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the crimean war, etc. That doesn't mean each side didn't bring their holy men with them to war, to ask their god to smite down those other guys in the opposing army.
So I would say a tiny percentage of wars are caused by religion, the rest are caused by kings playing the game of thrones.
edited Nov 29 at 22:39
answered Nov 29 at 22:33
sofa general
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+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
1
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
1
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
2
To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
1
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
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+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
1
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
1
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
2
To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
1
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
1
1
+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
+1 but there's actually been some wars with religious characteristics involving Buddhists, for example Ikko-Ikki; also Shintoism isn't inherently more warlike than other paganistic faiths, you're probably thinking of State Shintoism which actually considered itself distinct from "Religious Shintoism".
– Semaphore♦
Nov 29 at 23:21
1
1
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
In Mesoamerica there were flower wars - in which religious motives might have been one of the reasons.
– Maciej Piechotka
Dec 3 at 11:01
1
1
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
@sofageneral, the debate among historians is whether religion was the dominant / only cause for flower wars. Historians do not doubt that religion was a component of the flower wars.
– elliot svensson
Dec 3 at 17:41
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To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
To say "Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are non-warlike religions ... Shintoism is warlike religion ..." is a myth all by itself. References?
– Chris F Carroll
Dec 4 at 11:03
1
1
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
it is a myth? why? because you say it is? Do you have any references to support your theory? (too can play this silly game) Everyone knows Bushido is a warrior code steeped in the tradition of Shintoism (itself a mix of zen-Buddhism, chinese Confucianism and Japanese traditions, which is where the warlike elements came from)
– sofa general
Dec 4 at 15:15
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Other answers are justifying a straight "no", but what else is going on in the "critique of theism" mentioned by Semaphore?
The atheist philosopher Tim Crane addresses, in his book "The Meaning of Belief" (2017, Harvard University Press) claims of this kind that are made by certain atheist critics of religion (so, his subject is not any supposed consensus among historians). Spoiler alert: his view of attempts by famous atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens to analyse religion is not broadly approving. What does he say about claims that religion is wholly or mainly responsible for war and other violence? p120-122:
The violence and destruction imposed in the name of Christianity has a long history: the medieval Crusades ... [4 further examples]; and we could go on, of course. Put like this, you can see why people say that the history of Europe in the second millennium AD was a history of religious violence.
Against this has to be placed the equally terrible history of large-scale nonreligious violence and cruelty. Examples easily spring to mind: the killing of the Central American natives by the conquistadors, the slave trade, ... [4 further examples]. And then of course there are the other monstrous crimes of the twentieth century: the Nazi Holocaust and the mass killings by the communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union. As with religious violence, it seems all too easy to find examples.
Some writers more sympathetic to religion attempt to argue that those examples show that religion is not really the source of the world's problems, and that even so-called religious conflicts are not really religious underneath. ... Karen Armstrong traces the origin of human violence to the beginnings of agrarian societies and the accumulation of wealth...
The account I sketched of identification in Chapter 3 of this book indicates one other place where an explanation of of religious violence that is not specifically religous might begin. The tendency of human beings to form groups explicitly defined in opposition to others, which then seek the destruction and subordination of the other groups, is one of the characteristic features of many recognizably human societies. But facts like these do not mean that religion has no special, distinctively religious role in explaining episodes of violence. ... The question is rather, what is this role.
He goes on to point out that even wars that some attribute to religion are not necessarily caused by any theological content of the religion. p132:
It would be entirely incorrect, even frivolous, to suggest that the filoque clause is one of the factors that influenced the war between the Serbs and the Croats in the 1990s. And yet, if we are to look at the theological origin of the separation of the Roman and the Orthodox Churches, this would have to be mentioned (among many other details) ... yet it is plain that this doctrine has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that the Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use the Latin alphabet.
So, what is there to religion other than theology? Well, that's the major part of the book, and his view is that religion consists of group identification, together with the "religious impulse" toward something that transcends normal life, connected by a shared notion of what specific things are sacred. Hence, there are other ways that religion could be a factor than just theology. p134 returns to the causes of religious violence:
I mentioned three further conjectures about the sources of religious violence and conflict: (2) nontheological but distinctively religious aspects of religions; (3) the element of identification; (4) other nonreligous aspects of human psychology, society and culture.
p143:
Religion is one factor, without doubt. But is it the most fundamental or important factor? How can we go about answering this question? Is there even any need to answer it? ... The extreme violence in these cases is often explicable in terms of the tendency of identification (religious or not) to exclude and discriminate against others; the violent content of some religious texts; or the struggle for power, supremacy, or autonomy among competing religious groups--in addition to human motivations and desires (for example, revenge) that are intelligible independently of anything to do with religion.
There's plenty more detail, but his gist is that what constitutes religion "causing" violence (or a war in particular) is by no means a simple or settled issue. That being the case you can't really have a simple, settled view of whether religion is uniquely culpable among other factors.
So the claim that "most wars are caused by religion" may not even be intelligible. Do most wars have religion among their causes? Are most wars caused solely by religion? What aspects of religion can be included or excluded in the assessment of whether religion caused something? You're going to do a very different analysis according to how you interpret the basic structure of the question, never mind your actual historical opinion about the causes of every war.
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down vote
Other answers are justifying a straight "no", but what else is going on in the "critique of theism" mentioned by Semaphore?
The atheist philosopher Tim Crane addresses, in his book "The Meaning of Belief" (2017, Harvard University Press) claims of this kind that are made by certain atheist critics of religion (so, his subject is not any supposed consensus among historians). Spoiler alert: his view of attempts by famous atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens to analyse religion is not broadly approving. What does he say about claims that religion is wholly or mainly responsible for war and other violence? p120-122:
The violence and destruction imposed in the name of Christianity has a long history: the medieval Crusades ... [4 further examples]; and we could go on, of course. Put like this, you can see why people say that the history of Europe in the second millennium AD was a history of religious violence.
Against this has to be placed the equally terrible history of large-scale nonreligious violence and cruelty. Examples easily spring to mind: the killing of the Central American natives by the conquistadors, the slave trade, ... [4 further examples]. And then of course there are the other monstrous crimes of the twentieth century: the Nazi Holocaust and the mass killings by the communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union. As with religious violence, it seems all too easy to find examples.
Some writers more sympathetic to religion attempt to argue that those examples show that religion is not really the source of the world's problems, and that even so-called religious conflicts are not really religious underneath. ... Karen Armstrong traces the origin of human violence to the beginnings of agrarian societies and the accumulation of wealth...
The account I sketched of identification in Chapter 3 of this book indicates one other place where an explanation of of religious violence that is not specifically religous might begin. The tendency of human beings to form groups explicitly defined in opposition to others, which then seek the destruction and subordination of the other groups, is one of the characteristic features of many recognizably human societies. But facts like these do not mean that religion has no special, distinctively religious role in explaining episodes of violence. ... The question is rather, what is this role.
He goes on to point out that even wars that some attribute to religion are not necessarily caused by any theological content of the religion. p132:
It would be entirely incorrect, even frivolous, to suggest that the filoque clause is one of the factors that influenced the war between the Serbs and the Croats in the 1990s. And yet, if we are to look at the theological origin of the separation of the Roman and the Orthodox Churches, this would have to be mentioned (among many other details) ... yet it is plain that this doctrine has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that the Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use the Latin alphabet.
So, what is there to religion other than theology? Well, that's the major part of the book, and his view is that religion consists of group identification, together with the "religious impulse" toward something that transcends normal life, connected by a shared notion of what specific things are sacred. Hence, there are other ways that religion could be a factor than just theology. p134 returns to the causes of religious violence:
I mentioned three further conjectures about the sources of religious violence and conflict: (2) nontheological but distinctively religious aspects of religions; (3) the element of identification; (4) other nonreligous aspects of human psychology, society and culture.
p143:
Religion is one factor, without doubt. But is it the most fundamental or important factor? How can we go about answering this question? Is there even any need to answer it? ... The extreme violence in these cases is often explicable in terms of the tendency of identification (religious or not) to exclude and discriminate against others; the violent content of some religious texts; or the struggle for power, supremacy, or autonomy among competing religious groups--in addition to human motivations and desires (for example, revenge) that are intelligible independently of anything to do with religion.
There's plenty more detail, but his gist is that what constitutes religion "causing" violence (or a war in particular) is by no means a simple or settled issue. That being the case you can't really have a simple, settled view of whether religion is uniquely culpable among other factors.
So the claim that "most wars are caused by religion" may not even be intelligible. Do most wars have religion among their causes? Are most wars caused solely by religion? What aspects of religion can be included or excluded in the assessment of whether religion caused something? You're going to do a very different analysis according to how you interpret the basic structure of the question, never mind your actual historical opinion about the causes of every war.
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up vote
2
down vote
Other answers are justifying a straight "no", but what else is going on in the "critique of theism" mentioned by Semaphore?
The atheist philosopher Tim Crane addresses, in his book "The Meaning of Belief" (2017, Harvard University Press) claims of this kind that are made by certain atheist critics of religion (so, his subject is not any supposed consensus among historians). Spoiler alert: his view of attempts by famous atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens to analyse religion is not broadly approving. What does he say about claims that religion is wholly or mainly responsible for war and other violence? p120-122:
The violence and destruction imposed in the name of Christianity has a long history: the medieval Crusades ... [4 further examples]; and we could go on, of course. Put like this, you can see why people say that the history of Europe in the second millennium AD was a history of religious violence.
Against this has to be placed the equally terrible history of large-scale nonreligious violence and cruelty. Examples easily spring to mind: the killing of the Central American natives by the conquistadors, the slave trade, ... [4 further examples]. And then of course there are the other monstrous crimes of the twentieth century: the Nazi Holocaust and the mass killings by the communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union. As with religious violence, it seems all too easy to find examples.
Some writers more sympathetic to religion attempt to argue that those examples show that religion is not really the source of the world's problems, and that even so-called religious conflicts are not really religious underneath. ... Karen Armstrong traces the origin of human violence to the beginnings of agrarian societies and the accumulation of wealth...
The account I sketched of identification in Chapter 3 of this book indicates one other place where an explanation of of religious violence that is not specifically religous might begin. The tendency of human beings to form groups explicitly defined in opposition to others, which then seek the destruction and subordination of the other groups, is one of the characteristic features of many recognizably human societies. But facts like these do not mean that religion has no special, distinctively religious role in explaining episodes of violence. ... The question is rather, what is this role.
He goes on to point out that even wars that some attribute to religion are not necessarily caused by any theological content of the religion. p132:
It would be entirely incorrect, even frivolous, to suggest that the filoque clause is one of the factors that influenced the war between the Serbs and the Croats in the 1990s. And yet, if we are to look at the theological origin of the separation of the Roman and the Orthodox Churches, this would have to be mentioned (among many other details) ... yet it is plain that this doctrine has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that the Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use the Latin alphabet.
So, what is there to religion other than theology? Well, that's the major part of the book, and his view is that religion consists of group identification, together with the "religious impulse" toward something that transcends normal life, connected by a shared notion of what specific things are sacred. Hence, there are other ways that religion could be a factor than just theology. p134 returns to the causes of religious violence:
I mentioned three further conjectures about the sources of religious violence and conflict: (2) nontheological but distinctively religious aspects of religions; (3) the element of identification; (4) other nonreligous aspects of human psychology, society and culture.
p143:
Religion is one factor, without doubt. But is it the most fundamental or important factor? How can we go about answering this question? Is there even any need to answer it? ... The extreme violence in these cases is often explicable in terms of the tendency of identification (religious or not) to exclude and discriminate against others; the violent content of some religious texts; or the struggle for power, supremacy, or autonomy among competing religious groups--in addition to human motivations and desires (for example, revenge) that are intelligible independently of anything to do with religion.
There's plenty more detail, but his gist is that what constitutes religion "causing" violence (or a war in particular) is by no means a simple or settled issue. That being the case you can't really have a simple, settled view of whether religion is uniquely culpable among other factors.
So the claim that "most wars are caused by religion" may not even be intelligible. Do most wars have religion among their causes? Are most wars caused solely by religion? What aspects of religion can be included or excluded in the assessment of whether religion caused something? You're going to do a very different analysis according to how you interpret the basic structure of the question, never mind your actual historical opinion about the causes of every war.
Other answers are justifying a straight "no", but what else is going on in the "critique of theism" mentioned by Semaphore?
The atheist philosopher Tim Crane addresses, in his book "The Meaning of Belief" (2017, Harvard University Press) claims of this kind that are made by certain atheist critics of religion (so, his subject is not any supposed consensus among historians). Spoiler alert: his view of attempts by famous atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens to analyse religion is not broadly approving. What does he say about claims that religion is wholly or mainly responsible for war and other violence? p120-122:
The violence and destruction imposed in the name of Christianity has a long history: the medieval Crusades ... [4 further examples]; and we could go on, of course. Put like this, you can see why people say that the history of Europe in the second millennium AD was a history of religious violence.
Against this has to be placed the equally terrible history of large-scale nonreligious violence and cruelty. Examples easily spring to mind: the killing of the Central American natives by the conquistadors, the slave trade, ... [4 further examples]. And then of course there are the other monstrous crimes of the twentieth century: the Nazi Holocaust and the mass killings by the communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union. As with religious violence, it seems all too easy to find examples.
Some writers more sympathetic to religion attempt to argue that those examples show that religion is not really the source of the world's problems, and that even so-called religious conflicts are not really religious underneath. ... Karen Armstrong traces the origin of human violence to the beginnings of agrarian societies and the accumulation of wealth...
The account I sketched of identification in Chapter 3 of this book indicates one other place where an explanation of of religious violence that is not specifically religous might begin. The tendency of human beings to form groups explicitly defined in opposition to others, which then seek the destruction and subordination of the other groups, is one of the characteristic features of many recognizably human societies. But facts like these do not mean that religion has no special, distinctively religious role in explaining episodes of violence. ... The question is rather, what is this role.
He goes on to point out that even wars that some attribute to religion are not necessarily caused by any theological content of the religion. p132:
It would be entirely incorrect, even frivolous, to suggest that the filoque clause is one of the factors that influenced the war between the Serbs and the Croats in the 1990s. And yet, if we are to look at the theological origin of the separation of the Roman and the Orthodox Churches, this would have to be mentioned (among many other details) ... yet it is plain that this doctrine has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that the Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use the Latin alphabet.
So, what is there to religion other than theology? Well, that's the major part of the book, and his view is that religion consists of group identification, together with the "religious impulse" toward something that transcends normal life, connected by a shared notion of what specific things are sacred. Hence, there are other ways that religion could be a factor than just theology. p134 returns to the causes of religious violence:
I mentioned three further conjectures about the sources of religious violence and conflict: (2) nontheological but distinctively religious aspects of religions; (3) the element of identification; (4) other nonreligous aspects of human psychology, society and culture.
p143:
Religion is one factor, without doubt. But is it the most fundamental or important factor? How can we go about answering this question? Is there even any need to answer it? ... The extreme violence in these cases is often explicable in terms of the tendency of identification (religious or not) to exclude and discriminate against others; the violent content of some religious texts; or the struggle for power, supremacy, or autonomy among competing religious groups--in addition to human motivations and desires (for example, revenge) that are intelligible independently of anything to do with religion.
There's plenty more detail, but his gist is that what constitutes religion "causing" violence (or a war in particular) is by no means a simple or settled issue. That being the case you can't really have a simple, settled view of whether religion is uniquely culpable among other factors.
So the claim that "most wars are caused by religion" may not even be intelligible. Do most wars have religion among their causes? Are most wars caused solely by religion? What aspects of religion can be included or excluded in the assessment of whether religion caused something? You're going to do a very different analysis according to how you interpret the basic structure of the question, never mind your actual historical opinion about the causes of every war.
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Most wars are caused by a conflict of interest, whether that interest has a veneer of belief (religious, philosophical, ideological) or not.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 6:09
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While it might motivate the commoners to fight a war they don't otherwise care about, religion is generally a cover for some other more pragmatic reason to go to war.
– Schwern
Nov 28 at 7:47
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@Bregalad Agreed - the "primarily opinion based" close reason doesn't make sense; its perfectly possible to objectively survey historians for a consensus. Or, for the underlying question, to go through the wars of history one by one and tally up their causes by categories. Several studies did just that.
– Semaphore♦
Nov 28 at 9:40
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Marxist historians agree that wars are caused by property & exploitation of the proletariat. Liberal historians agree that wars are caused by conservatives. Conservative historians agree war is caused by liberals and everyone agrees to hate Tom Lehrer. Any statement that begins, "All X agree... " Ilia rhetorical, not academic. The only response to such statements is to order another pint & change the topic.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
Nov 28 at 13:37
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@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century
– Neil Meyer
Nov 28 at 17:51