irreducible polynomial $f$ in four variables with complex coefficients such that...
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}
Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?
May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.
Please help.
algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}
Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?
May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.
Please help.
algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}
Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?
May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.
Please help.
algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials
Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}
Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?
May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.
Please help.
algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials
algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials
edited Nov 28 at 14:09
Jyrki Lahtonen
107k12166364
107k12166364
asked Nov 28 at 0:56
user521337
5201113
5201113
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32
add a comment |
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}
Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$
It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$
Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either
- there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or
- there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;
or both.
In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.
In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$
which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.
An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$
Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.
Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3016554%2firreducible-polynomial-f-in-four-variables-with-complex-coefficients-such-that%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}
Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$
It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$
Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either
- there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or
- there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;
or both.
In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.
In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$
which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.
An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$
Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.
Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}
Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$
It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$
Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either
- there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or
- there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;
or both.
In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.
In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$
which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.
An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$
Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.
Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}
Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$
It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$
Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either
- there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or
- there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;
or both.
In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.
In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$
which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.
An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$
Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.
Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.
Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}
Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$
It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$
Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either
- there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or
- there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;
or both.
In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.
In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$
which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.
An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$
Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.
Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.
edited Nov 29 at 0:57
answered Nov 28 at 2:02
Servaes
22.2k33793
22.2k33793
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
add a comment |
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.
Please pay close attention to the following guidance:
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3016554%2firreducible-polynomial-f-in-four-variables-with-complex-coefficients-such-that%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32