irreducible polynomial $f$ in four variables with complex coefficients such that...











up vote
1
down vote

favorite












Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}



Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?



May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.



Please help.










share|cite|improve this question
























  • Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
    – R. Burton
    Nov 28 at 1:32















up vote
1
down vote

favorite












Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}



Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?



May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.



Please help.










share|cite|improve this question
























  • Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
    – R. Burton
    Nov 28 at 1:32













up vote
1
down vote

favorite









up vote
1
down vote

favorite











Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}



Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?



May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.



Please help.










share|cite|improve this question















Let $p,q,r,s in mathbb C[x,y,z]$ be defined as
begin{eqnarray*}
p(x,y,z)&=&x^3+y^3+z^3,\
q(x,y,z)&=&x^2y+y^2z+z^2x,\
r(x,y,z)&=&xy^2+yz^2+zx^2,\
s(x,y,z)&=&xyz.
end{eqnarray*}



Then how to find an irreducible polynomial (if it exists) $f(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4) in mathbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that
$$f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))=0,$$
i.e. $f(p(x,y,z), q(x,y,z),r(x,y,z),s(x,y,z))$ is the zero polynomial in $mathbb C[x,y,z]$ ?



May be it has something to do with Hilbert Nullstellensatz, but I'm not sure.



Please help.







algebraic-geometry polynomials commutative-algebra symmetric-polynomials






share|cite|improve this question















share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited Nov 28 at 14:09









Jyrki Lahtonen

107k12166364




107k12166364










asked Nov 28 at 0:56









user521337

5201113




5201113












  • Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
    – R. Burton
    Nov 28 at 1:32


















  • Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
    – R. Burton
    Nov 28 at 1:32
















Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32




Is $(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)=(p,q,r,s)$?
– R. Burton
Nov 28 at 1:32










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
1
down vote













Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}

Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$





It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$

Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either




  1. there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or

  2. there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;


or both.



In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.



In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$

so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$

which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.





An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$

Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.



Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
    – user521337
    Nov 28 at 2:11











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3016554%2firreducible-polynomial-f-in-four-variables-with-complex-coefficients-such-that%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes








up vote
1
down vote













Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}

Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$





It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$

Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either




  1. there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or

  2. there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;


or both.



In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.



In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$

so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$

which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.





An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$

Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.



Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
    – user521337
    Nov 28 at 2:11















up vote
1
down vote













Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}

Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$





It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$

Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either




  1. there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or

  2. there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;


or both.



In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.



In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$

so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$

which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.





An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$

Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.



Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
    – user521337
    Nov 28 at 2:11













up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}

Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$





It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$

Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either




  1. there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or

  2. there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;


or both.



In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.



In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$

so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$

which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.





An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$

Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.



Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.






share|cite|improve this answer














Note that $p$, $q+r$ and $s$ are homogeneous symmetric polynomials, so they are polynomials in the elementary symmetric polynomials
$$e_1:=x_1+x_2+x_3,qquad e_2:=x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3,qquad e_3:=x_1x_2x_3.$$
It is not hard to find expressions explicitly;
$$p=e_1^3-3e_1e_2+3e_3,qquad q+r=e_1e_2-3e_3,qquad s=e_3.$$
Moreover $q-r=(x-y)(x-z)(y-z)$ is alternating and so $(q-r)^2$ is also symmetric; we have
$$(q-r)^2=e_1^2e_2^2-4e_2^3-27e_3^2-4e_1^3e_3+18e_1e_2e_3.$$
From these we can isolate $e_1e_2$, $e_1^3$ and $e_2^3$ to find
begin{eqnarray*}
e_1e_2&=&q+r+3s.\
e_1^3&=&p+3q+3r+6s\
e_2^3&=&-frac{1}{4}left((q-r)^2-(e_1e_2)^2+27s^2+4e_1^3s-18(e_1e_2)sright)\
&=&qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2.\
end{eqnarray*}

Plugging this back into the relation $(e_1e_2)^3-e_1^3e_2^3=0$ yields
$$(q+r+3s)^3-(p+3q+3r+6s)(qr-ps+3qs+3rs+3s^2)=0.$$
This can be expanded to give
$$9s^3+3ps^2-6qrs+p^2s+q^3+r^3-pqr=0.$$





It remains to check irreducibility. Let $a,b,cinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ be such that
$$f
=9x_4^3+3x_1x_4^2-6x_2x_3x_4+x_1^2x_4+x_2^3+x_3^3-x_1x_2x_3
=ax_1^2+bx_1+c.$$

Then $f$ is reducible if and only if either




  1. there exists some $dinBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $deg d>0$ that divides $a$, $b$ and $c$; or

  2. there exist some $alpha,beta,gamma,deltainBbb{C}[x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $f=(alpha x_1+beta)(gamma x_1+delta)$;


or both.



In the first case, comparing coefficients shows that if such a $d$ exists, it is a factor of
$$a=x_4,qquad b=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad c=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$
which immediately implies that $deg d=0$, a contradiction.



In the second case, comparing coefficients shows that
$$alphagamma=x_4,qquad
alphadelta+betagamma=3x_4^2-x_2x_3,qquad
betadelta=x_2^3+x_3^3+9x_4^3-6x_2x_3x_4,$$

so from the first equality, without loss of generality $alpha=1$ and $gamma=x_4$. The last two equalities tell us
$$deg(alphadelta+betagamma)=2
qquadtext{ and }qquad
degbeta+degdelta=3,$$

which implies that $degbeta=1$ and $deg delta=2$. Plug in $beta=ux_2+vx_3+wx_4$ to find that
$$delta=alphadelta=(3x^2-x_2x_3)-betagamma=(3-w)x_4^2-x_2x_3-ux_2x_4-vx_3x_4,$$
but this contradicts the fact that the product $betadelta$ is cubic in $x_2$ and $x_3$. Hence $f$ is irreducible.





An alternative way to show that $f$ is irreducible is by showing that there is no quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ such that $g(p,q,r,s,y)$. Note that $g$ must be homogeneous. Expressing all products of pairs from ${p,q,r,s}$ on the basis of monomials in $Bbb{C}$ of degree $6$ yields
$$begin{matrix}
&x^6 &x^5y &x^5z &x^4y^2&x^4z^2&x^4yz &x^3y^3&x^3y^2z&x^3yz^2&x^2y^2z^2\
p^2& 1 & & & & & & 2 & & & \
q^2& & & & 1 & & & & & 2 & \
r^2& & & & & 1 & & & 2 & & \
s^2& & & & & & & & & & 1 \
pq & & 1 & & & 1 & & & 1 & & \
pr & & & 1 & 1 & & & & & 1 & \
ps & & & & & & 1 & & & & \
qr & & & & & & 1 & 1 & & & 3 \
qs & & & & & & & & 1 & & \
rs & & & & & & & & & 1 &
end{matrix}$$

Here we used the fact that $p$, $q$, $r$ and $s$ are invariant under cyclic shifts of $x$, $y$ and $z$. The coefficients of any quadratic $ginBbb{C}[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4]$ with $g(p,q,r,s)=0$ must then be in the kernel of the transpose of this $10times10$-matrix, so it suffices to show that its determinant is nonzero.



Laplace expansion along the first three columns and subsequently along the rows $s^2$, $ps$, $qs$ and $rs$ shows its determinant is the same as that of thr $3times3$-identity matrix, so $f$ is irreducible.







share|cite|improve this answer














share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer








edited Nov 29 at 0:57

























answered Nov 28 at 2:02









Servaes

22.2k33793




22.2k33793












  • I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
    – user521337
    Nov 28 at 2:11


















  • I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
    – user521337
    Nov 28 at 2:11
















I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11




I have tried some cubic combinations but nothing works ... could you please elaborate ?
– user521337
Nov 28 at 2:11


















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3016554%2firreducible-polynomial-f-in-four-variables-with-complex-coefficients-such-that%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Berounka

Sphinx de Gizeh

Different font size/position of beamer's navigation symbols template's content depending on regular/plain...