Does there exist a continuous 2-to-1 function from the sphere to itself?












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Does there exist a continuous function $f:S^2to S^2$ such that, for any $pin S^2$, $|f^{-1}({p})|=2$?




I suspect the answer is no, but I don't know how to prove it. All I know right now is that $f$ cannot be a covering map.



For if $f$ is a covering map, take any $pin S^2$. Then $f$ restricts to a covering map from $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ to $S^2backslash {p}$. However, the fundamental group of $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ is $mathbb{Z}$ and the fundamental group of $S^2backslash {p}$ is trivial. That $f$ is a covering then gives that there is an injective homomorphism from $mathbb{Z}$ to the trivial group, a contradiction. Thus $f$ cannot be a covering map.



That's all I've got so far. Any more progress is greatly appreciated.



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    I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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    We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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    See my answer at MathOverflow.
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$begingroup$


I am interested in the following question:




Does there exist a continuous function $f:S^2to S^2$ such that, for any $pin S^2$, $|f^{-1}({p})|=2$?




I suspect the answer is no, but I don't know how to prove it. All I know right now is that $f$ cannot be a covering map.



For if $f$ is a covering map, take any $pin S^2$. Then $f$ restricts to a covering map from $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ to $S^2backslash {p}$. However, the fundamental group of $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ is $mathbb{Z}$ and the fundamental group of $S^2backslash {p}$ is trivial. That $f$ is a covering then gives that there is an injective homomorphism from $mathbb{Z}$ to the trivial group, a contradiction. Thus $f$ cannot be a covering map.



That's all I've got so far. Any more progress is greatly appreciated.



Update (Dec 21, 2018): I've posted this question on MO










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    I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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    – Frpzzd
    Dec 18 '18 at 0:00






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    We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:11






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    Related: mathoverflow.net/questions/17707/…
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    – Dap
    Dec 20 '18 at 14:19






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    See my answer at MathOverflow.
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    – GH from MO
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I am interested in the following question:




Does there exist a continuous function $f:S^2to S^2$ such that, for any $pin S^2$, $|f^{-1}({p})|=2$?




I suspect the answer is no, but I don't know how to prove it. All I know right now is that $f$ cannot be a covering map.



For if $f$ is a covering map, take any $pin S^2$. Then $f$ restricts to a covering map from $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ to $S^2backslash {p}$. However, the fundamental group of $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ is $mathbb{Z}$ and the fundamental group of $S^2backslash {p}$ is trivial. That $f$ is a covering then gives that there is an injective homomorphism from $mathbb{Z}$ to the trivial group, a contradiction. Thus $f$ cannot be a covering map.



That's all I've got so far. Any more progress is greatly appreciated.



Update (Dec 21, 2018): I've posted this question on MO










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I am interested in the following question:




Does there exist a continuous function $f:S^2to S^2$ such that, for any $pin S^2$, $|f^{-1}({p})|=2$?




I suspect the answer is no, but I don't know how to prove it. All I know right now is that $f$ cannot be a covering map.



For if $f$ is a covering map, take any $pin S^2$. Then $f$ restricts to a covering map from $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ to $S^2backslash {p}$. However, the fundamental group of $S^2backslash f^{-1}(p)$ is $mathbb{Z}$ and the fundamental group of $S^2backslash {p}$ is trivial. That $f$ is a covering then gives that there is an injective homomorphism from $mathbb{Z}$ to the trivial group, a contradiction. Thus $f$ cannot be a covering map.



That's all I've got so far. Any more progress is greatly appreciated.



Update (Dec 21, 2018): I've posted this question on MO







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    I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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    – Frpzzd
    Dec 18 '18 at 0:00






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    We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:11






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    Related: mathoverflow.net/questions/17707/…
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    – Dap
    Dec 20 '18 at 14:19






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    See my answer at MathOverflow.
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    – GH from MO
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    I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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    – Frpzzd
    Dec 18 '18 at 0:00






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:11






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    Related: mathoverflow.net/questions/17707/…
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    – Dap
    Dec 20 '18 at 14:19






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    See my answer at MathOverflow.
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I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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– Frpzzd
Dec 18 '18 at 0:00




$begingroup$
I don't know much topology, but here's an idea: if you take $f^{-1}$ to be continuous as well, then $f$ would be a homeomorphism from some connected subset of the sphere to itself. However, a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts, and no connected subset of a sphere partitions $3$-space into two parts (because, non-rigorously speaking, it must have a hole).
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We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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– Paul Frost
Dec 18 '18 at 14:11




$begingroup$
We know that $f$ cannot be a covering map. This leaves the question whether your function $f$ must be a covering map. The answers by Florentin MB and SmileyCraft are have gaps. Florentin MB cannot show that $f$ is locally injective and SmileyCraft assumes that $f$ is open. The arguments used in these answers cannot be sufficient because they are of a very general nature and do not invoke special features of $S^2$. This is shown by yoyo's comment where you can find a continuous function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not a covering although preimages of points contain two points
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See my answer at MathOverflow.
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EDIT: the argument is incomplete. As pointed in the comments by yoyo, the separation of the pre-images is not guaranteed by the compactness.



There is no such map.



For is there is, I prove below that it has to be a covering map and you proved that it is not possible
(or simply remark that from the fact that $S^2$ is simply connected, it admits no non-trivial covering).



Let's assume $f$ satisfies your hypothesis.
By compactness of $S^2$, there exists a $varepsilon>0$
such that for all $p in S^2$, for all $x neq y in f^{-1}(p)$
we have $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$ (where $d$ is any compatible metric on the sphere).
Consequently, for any $x in S^2$, if $U$ is the closed ball centered at $x$ and radius $varepsilon$ then the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective, and by compactness, an homeomorphism onto its image.



We've shown that $f$ is a local homeomorphism, and by hypothesis it is surjective.
As its domain is compact and its range connected, it is a covering.






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    Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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    @yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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    Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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    @yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
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    EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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If I understand correctly, Florentin MB's answer will be complete if we can prove that $f$ is locally injective. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong here, but I think we can at least show that $f$ is locally injective if $f$ is open. It seems to me that $f$ should be open, but I don't know how to prove that.



Let $xin S^2$ and $f(x)=f(y)$ for $xneq y$. Then let $U$ and $V$ be disjoint opens such that $xin U$ and $yin V$. If $f$ is open, then $f(U)$ and $f(V)$ are open, so $W:=f(U)cap f(V)$ is open. Now for every $win W$ there exist $uin U$ and $vin V$ such that $f(u)=f(v)=w$. Because $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, we find $uneq v$, so because $|f^{-1}({w})|=2$, we find $f^{-1}({w})={u,v}$. Hence, we find $f^{-1}(W)subset Ucup V$. Because $f$ is continuous, $f^{-1}(W)$ is open, so $N:=f^{-1}(W)cap U$ is open. Notice that $xin N$, so $N$ is a neighborhood of $x$. Finally, $f$ is injective in $N$, because for all $nin N$ we have $f(n)in W$. This gives $f^{-1}({f(n)})={n,v}$ for some $vin V$, and $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, so $vnotin U$.






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    If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
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    Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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EDIT: the argument is incomplete. As pointed in the comments by yoyo, the separation of the pre-images is not guaranteed by the compactness.



There is no such map.



For is there is, I prove below that it has to be a covering map and you proved that it is not possible
(or simply remark that from the fact that $S^2$ is simply connected, it admits no non-trivial covering).



Let's assume $f$ satisfies your hypothesis.
By compactness of $S^2$, there exists a $varepsilon>0$
such that for all $p in S^2$, for all $x neq y in f^{-1}(p)$
we have $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$ (where $d$ is any compatible metric on the sphere).
Consequently, for any $x in S^2$, if $U$ is the closed ball centered at $x$ and radius $varepsilon$ then the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective, and by compactness, an homeomorphism onto its image.



We've shown that $f$ is a local homeomorphism, and by hypothesis it is surjective.
As its domain is compact and its range connected, it is a covering.






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    Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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    @yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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    Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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    @yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
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    – Balarka Sen
    Dec 11 '18 at 14:53






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    EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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EDIT: the argument is incomplete. As pointed in the comments by yoyo, the separation of the pre-images is not guaranteed by the compactness.



There is no such map.



For is there is, I prove below that it has to be a covering map and you proved that it is not possible
(or simply remark that from the fact that $S^2$ is simply connected, it admits no non-trivial covering).



Let's assume $f$ satisfies your hypothesis.
By compactness of $S^2$, there exists a $varepsilon>0$
such that for all $p in S^2$, for all $x neq y in f^{-1}(p)$
we have $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$ (where $d$ is any compatible metric on the sphere).
Consequently, for any $x in S^2$, if $U$ is the closed ball centered at $x$ and radius $varepsilon$ then the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective, and by compactness, an homeomorphism onto its image.



We've shown that $f$ is a local homeomorphism, and by hypothesis it is surjective.
As its domain is compact and its range connected, it is a covering.






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    Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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    – yoyo
    Dec 11 '18 at 13:47










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    @yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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    – Florentin MB
    Dec 11 '18 at 14:14










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    Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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    – yoyo
    Dec 11 '18 at 14:43












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    @yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
    $endgroup$
    – Balarka Sen
    Dec 11 '18 at 14:53






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    $begingroup$
    EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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EDIT: the argument is incomplete. As pointed in the comments by yoyo, the separation of the pre-images is not guaranteed by the compactness.



There is no such map.



For is there is, I prove below that it has to be a covering map and you proved that it is not possible
(or simply remark that from the fact that $S^2$ is simply connected, it admits no non-trivial covering).



Let's assume $f$ satisfies your hypothesis.
By compactness of $S^2$, there exists a $varepsilon>0$
such that for all $p in S^2$, for all $x neq y in f^{-1}(p)$
we have $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$ (where $d$ is any compatible metric on the sphere).
Consequently, for any $x in S^2$, if $U$ is the closed ball centered at $x$ and radius $varepsilon$ then the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective, and by compactness, an homeomorphism onto its image.



We've shown that $f$ is a local homeomorphism, and by hypothesis it is surjective.
As its domain is compact and its range connected, it is a covering.






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EDIT: the argument is incomplete. As pointed in the comments by yoyo, the separation of the pre-images is not guaranteed by the compactness.



There is no such map.



For is there is, I prove below that it has to be a covering map and you proved that it is not possible
(or simply remark that from the fact that $S^2$ is simply connected, it admits no non-trivial covering).



Let's assume $f$ satisfies your hypothesis.
By compactness of $S^2$, there exists a $varepsilon>0$
such that for all $p in S^2$, for all $x neq y in f^{-1}(p)$
we have $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$ (where $d$ is any compatible metric on the sphere).
Consequently, for any $x in S^2$, if $U$ is the closed ball centered at $x$ and radius $varepsilon$ then the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective, and by compactness, an homeomorphism onto its image.



We've shown that $f$ is a local homeomorphism, and by hypothesis it is surjective.
As its domain is compact and its range connected, it is a covering.







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    Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
    $endgroup$
    – yoyo
    Dec 11 '18 at 13:47










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    @yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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    – Florentin MB
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    Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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    – yoyo
    Dec 11 '18 at 14:43












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    @yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
    $endgroup$
    – Balarka Sen
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    EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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    Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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    @yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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    Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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    @yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
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    EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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– yoyo
Dec 11 '18 at 13:47




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Could you please explain how compactness lead us to the fact $d(x,y) ge 2 varepsilon$?
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– yoyo
Dec 11 '18 at 13:47












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@yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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– Florentin MB
Dec 11 '18 at 14:14




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@yoyo In fact, a uniform $varepsilon$ is not needed (but it is true). I edited the answer.
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– Florentin MB
Dec 11 '18 at 14:14












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Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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– yoyo
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43






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Sorry that I still can't understand how you deduced the fact that the restriction of $f$ to $U$ is injective.
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– yoyo
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43














$begingroup$
@yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
$endgroup$
– Balarka Sen
Dec 11 '18 at 14:53




$begingroup$
@yoyo I believe the idea is that the diameter of the preimages of $f$ is a positive continuous function on $S^2$, and since that's a compact domain, it is bounded below by some uniform positive constant. That is the chosen $epsilon$
$endgroup$
– Balarka Sen
Dec 11 '18 at 14:53




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EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
$endgroup$
– yoyo
Dec 11 '18 at 15:26






$begingroup$
EX:$g:S^1to S^1$, $g(theta)=2theta$ if $0 le theta le pi$ and $g(theta)=-2 (pi + theta)$ if $-pi le theta le 0$, which satisfies $|g^{-1}({theta})|=2$ for all $theta in S^1$ but $S^1$ is compact and the $inf$ of the diameters of the preimages of $g$ is $0$.
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If I understand correctly, Florentin MB's answer will be complete if we can prove that $f$ is locally injective. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong here, but I think we can at least show that $f$ is locally injective if $f$ is open. It seems to me that $f$ should be open, but I don't know how to prove that.



Let $xin S^2$ and $f(x)=f(y)$ for $xneq y$. Then let $U$ and $V$ be disjoint opens such that $xin U$ and $yin V$. If $f$ is open, then $f(U)$ and $f(V)$ are open, so $W:=f(U)cap f(V)$ is open. Now for every $win W$ there exist $uin U$ and $vin V$ such that $f(u)=f(v)=w$. Because $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, we find $uneq v$, so because $|f^{-1}({w})|=2$, we find $f^{-1}({w})={u,v}$. Hence, we find $f^{-1}(W)subset Ucup V$. Because $f$ is continuous, $f^{-1}(W)$ is open, so $N:=f^{-1}(W)cap U$ is open. Notice that $xin N$, so $N$ is a neighborhood of $x$. Finally, $f$ is injective in $N$, because for all $nin N$ we have $f(n)in W$. This gives $f^{-1}({f(n)})={n,v}$ for some $vin V$, and $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, so $vnotin U$.






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    If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
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    Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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If I understand correctly, Florentin MB's answer will be complete if we can prove that $f$ is locally injective. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong here, but I think we can at least show that $f$ is locally injective if $f$ is open. It seems to me that $f$ should be open, but I don't know how to prove that.



Let $xin S^2$ and $f(x)=f(y)$ for $xneq y$. Then let $U$ and $V$ be disjoint opens such that $xin U$ and $yin V$. If $f$ is open, then $f(U)$ and $f(V)$ are open, so $W:=f(U)cap f(V)$ is open. Now for every $win W$ there exist $uin U$ and $vin V$ such that $f(u)=f(v)=w$. Because $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, we find $uneq v$, so because $|f^{-1}({w})|=2$, we find $f^{-1}({w})={u,v}$. Hence, we find $f^{-1}(W)subset Ucup V$. Because $f$ is continuous, $f^{-1}(W)$ is open, so $N:=f^{-1}(W)cap U$ is open. Notice that $xin N$, so $N$ is a neighborhood of $x$. Finally, $f$ is injective in $N$, because for all $nin N$ we have $f(n)in W$. This gives $f^{-1}({f(n)})={n,v}$ for some $vin V$, and $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, so $vnotin U$.






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    If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
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    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:18










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    Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 18 '18 at 16:40














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If I understand correctly, Florentin MB's answer will be complete if we can prove that $f$ is locally injective. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong here, but I think we can at least show that $f$ is locally injective if $f$ is open. It seems to me that $f$ should be open, but I don't know how to prove that.



Let $xin S^2$ and $f(x)=f(y)$ for $xneq y$. Then let $U$ and $V$ be disjoint opens such that $xin U$ and $yin V$. If $f$ is open, then $f(U)$ and $f(V)$ are open, so $W:=f(U)cap f(V)$ is open. Now for every $win W$ there exist $uin U$ and $vin V$ such that $f(u)=f(v)=w$. Because $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, we find $uneq v$, so because $|f^{-1}({w})|=2$, we find $f^{-1}({w})={u,v}$. Hence, we find $f^{-1}(W)subset Ucup V$. Because $f$ is continuous, $f^{-1}(W)$ is open, so $N:=f^{-1}(W)cap U$ is open. Notice that $xin N$, so $N$ is a neighborhood of $x$. Finally, $f$ is injective in $N$, because for all $nin N$ we have $f(n)in W$. This gives $f^{-1}({f(n)})={n,v}$ for some $vin V$, and $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, so $vnotin U$.






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If I understand correctly, Florentin MB's answer will be complete if we can prove that $f$ is locally injective. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong here, but I think we can at least show that $f$ is locally injective if $f$ is open. It seems to me that $f$ should be open, but I don't know how to prove that.



Let $xin S^2$ and $f(x)=f(y)$ for $xneq y$. Then let $U$ and $V$ be disjoint opens such that $xin U$ and $yin V$. If $f$ is open, then $f(U)$ and $f(V)$ are open, so $W:=f(U)cap f(V)$ is open. Now for every $win W$ there exist $uin U$ and $vin V$ such that $f(u)=f(v)=w$. Because $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, we find $uneq v$, so because $|f^{-1}({w})|=2$, we find $f^{-1}({w})={u,v}$. Hence, we find $f^{-1}(W)subset Ucup V$. Because $f$ is continuous, $f^{-1}(W)$ is open, so $N:=f^{-1}(W)cap U$ is open. Notice that $xin N$, so $N$ is a neighborhood of $x$. Finally, $f$ is injective in $N$, because for all $nin N$ we have $f(n)in W$. This gives $f^{-1}({f(n)})={n,v}$ for some $vin V$, and $U$ and $V$ are disjoint, so $vnotin U$.







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    If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
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    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:18










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    Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 18 '18 at 16:40














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    $begingroup$
    If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Frost
    Dec 18 '18 at 14:18










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    Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 18 '18 at 16:40








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If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
$endgroup$
– Paul Frost
Dec 18 '18 at 14:18




$begingroup$
If it should be possible to prove that $f$ is open, then it must be based on special features of $S^2$. See yoyo's example of a function $f : S^1 to S^1$ which is not open.
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– Paul Frost
Dec 18 '18 at 14:18












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Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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– SmileyCraft
Dec 18 '18 at 16:40




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Right, so its probably not making things any easier...
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