Why are Optional's or and flatMap methods' supplier type parameters wildcards?












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The Optional.or method was added in Java 9. This is the method signature



public Optional<T> or​(Supplier<? extends Optional<? extends T>> supplier)


Why is the type parameter of the Supplier taking ? extends Optional rather than just Optional, since Optional is a final class?



The same is true for the Optional.flatMap method. This is a change from Java 8.



In Java 8, it was Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper whereas it was changed to Function<? super T,​? extends Optional<? extends U>> in Java 9.










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  • Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

    – nbrooks
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:42











  • @nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

    – user7
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:45






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    My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

    – Daniel Pryden
    Dec 10 '18 at 17:52


















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The Optional.or method was added in Java 9. This is the method signature



public Optional<T> or​(Supplier<? extends Optional<? extends T>> supplier)


Why is the type parameter of the Supplier taking ? extends Optional rather than just Optional, since Optional is a final class?



The same is true for the Optional.flatMap method. This is a change from Java 8.



In Java 8, it was Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper whereas it was changed to Function<? super T,​? extends Optional<? extends U>> in Java 9.










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  • Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

    – nbrooks
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:42











  • @nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

    – user7
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:45






  • 3





    My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

    – Daniel Pryden
    Dec 10 '18 at 17:52
















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The Optional.or method was added in Java 9. This is the method signature



public Optional<T> or​(Supplier<? extends Optional<? extends T>> supplier)


Why is the type parameter of the Supplier taking ? extends Optional rather than just Optional, since Optional is a final class?



The same is true for the Optional.flatMap method. This is a change from Java 8.



In Java 8, it was Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper whereas it was changed to Function<? super T,​? extends Optional<? extends U>> in Java 9.










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The Optional.or method was added in Java 9. This is the method signature



public Optional<T> or​(Supplier<? extends Optional<? extends T>> supplier)


Why is the type parameter of the Supplier taking ? extends Optional rather than just Optional, since Optional is a final class?



The same is true for the Optional.flatMap method. This is a change from Java 8.



In Java 8, it was Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper whereas it was changed to Function<? super T,​? extends Optional<? extends U>> in Java 9.







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  • Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

    – nbrooks
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:42











  • @nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

    – user7
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:45






  • 3





    My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

    – Daniel Pryden
    Dec 10 '18 at 17:52





















  • Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

    – nbrooks
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:42











  • @nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

    – user7
    Dec 10 '18 at 1:45






  • 3





    My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

    – Daniel Pryden
    Dec 10 '18 at 17:52



















Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

– nbrooks
Dec 10 '18 at 1:42





Kinda seems like they're positioning it to not be a final class in future version?

– nbrooks
Dec 10 '18 at 1:42













@nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

– user7
Dec 10 '18 at 1:45





@nbrooks It is because of the nested generics (and yes.. partly to due with the future changes)

– user7
Dec 10 '18 at 1:45




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My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

– Daniel Pryden
Dec 10 '18 at 17:52







My understanding of how this works is that, if a type argument is not for a wildcard type, the match must always be invariant. If you want to allow a subtype anywhere within the generic parameters of a type, then you need to use a wildcard type (or a new type variable) out to the outermost generic declaration. I think this is implied by section 18.2.3, "Subtyping Constraints", of the "Type Inference" chapter of the Java Language Specification. But that chapter is hard for me to wrap my brain around and I'm not confident enough in my understanding to write an answer spelling it out exactly.

– Daniel Pryden
Dec 10 '18 at 17:52














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I found the reasoning behind this from Stuart Marks himself



http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2016-October/044026.html



This has to do with nested generics (Optional is nested within Function).
From the mail thread




 Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


is not a subtype of



 Function<..., Optional<? extends CharSequence>>


To get around this, we have to add the outer wildcard as well, so that



 Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


is a subtype of



 Function<..., ? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>






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    +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

    – Stefan Zobel
    Dec 10 '18 at 8:48





















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FWIW, a similar issue with covariant arguments still exists in Stream.iterate and Stream.iterate in Java 11. The current method signatures are



static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, Predicate<? super T> hasNext, UnaryOperator<T> next)
static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, UnaryOperator<T> f)


These signatures do not allow for some combinations of seeds and UnaryOperators that are sound from a type perspective, e.g. the following doesn't compile:



UnaryOperator<String> op = s -> s; 
Stream<CharSequence> scs = iterate("", op); // error


The proposed solution is to change the method signatures to



static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, Predicate<? super S> hasNext, UnaryOperator<S> next)
static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, UnaryOperator<S> f)


So, in contrast to Optional.or and Optional.flatMap this is a case where the "additional-type-parameter approach" actually works.






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    Yeah... it is said that wildcard with an extends-bound (upper bound) makes the type covariant, which means that for example List<Apple> is an actual subtype of List<? extends Fruit> (considering that Apple extends Fruit); this is also called covariance.



    Or in the examples that you have shown, it means that Optional<StringBuilder> is a subtype of Optional<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>, so you could for example do:



    List<Optional<String>> left = new ArrayList<>();
    List<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>> right = new ArrayList<>();

    right = left; // will compile


    or assign a Function to the other






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      I found the reasoning behind this from Stuart Marks himself



      http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2016-October/044026.html



      This has to do with nested generics (Optional is nested within Function).
      From the mail thread




       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is not a subtype of



       Function<..., Optional<? extends CharSequence>>


      To get around this, we have to add the outer wildcard as well, so that



       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is a subtype of



       Function<..., ? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>






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        +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

        – Stefan Zobel
        Dec 10 '18 at 8:48


















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      I found the reasoning behind this from Stuart Marks himself



      http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2016-October/044026.html



      This has to do with nested generics (Optional is nested within Function).
      From the mail thread




       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is not a subtype of



       Function<..., Optional<? extends CharSequence>>


      To get around this, we have to add the outer wildcard as well, so that



       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is a subtype of



       Function<..., ? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>






      share|improve this answer





















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        +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

        – Stefan Zobel
        Dec 10 '18 at 8:48
















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      I found the reasoning behind this from Stuart Marks himself



      http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2016-October/044026.html



      This has to do with nested generics (Optional is nested within Function).
      From the mail thread




       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is not a subtype of



       Function<..., Optional<? extends CharSequence>>


      To get around this, we have to add the outer wildcard as well, so that



       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is a subtype of



       Function<..., ? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>






      share|improve this answer















      I found the reasoning behind this from Stuart Marks himself



      http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2016-October/044026.html



      This has to do with nested generics (Optional is nested within Function).
      From the mail thread




       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is not a subtype of



       Function<..., Optional<? extends CharSequence>>


      To get around this, we have to add the outer wildcard as well, so that



       Function<..., Optional<StringBuilder>>


      is a subtype of



       Function<..., ? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>







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        +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

        – Stefan Zobel
        Dec 10 '18 at 8:48
















      • 8





        +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

        – Stefan Zobel
        Dec 10 '18 at 8:48










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      +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

      – Stefan Zobel
      Dec 10 '18 at 8:48







      +1. For me, the really mind-boggling thing here was why the easier "additional-type-parameter approach" <V, U extends V> Optional<V> flatMap(Function<? super T, Optional<U>> mapper) would not work in all circumstances.

      – Stefan Zobel
      Dec 10 '18 at 8:48















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      FWIW, a similar issue with covariant arguments still exists in Stream.iterate and Stream.iterate in Java 11. The current method signatures are



      static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, Predicate<? super T> hasNext, UnaryOperator<T> next)
      static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, UnaryOperator<T> f)


      These signatures do not allow for some combinations of seeds and UnaryOperators that are sound from a type perspective, e.g. the following doesn't compile:



      UnaryOperator<String> op = s -> s; 
      Stream<CharSequence> scs = iterate("", op); // error


      The proposed solution is to change the method signatures to



      static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, Predicate<? super S> hasNext, UnaryOperator<S> next)
      static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, UnaryOperator<S> f)


      So, in contrast to Optional.or and Optional.flatMap this is a case where the "additional-type-parameter approach" actually works.






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        FWIW, a similar issue with covariant arguments still exists in Stream.iterate and Stream.iterate in Java 11. The current method signatures are



        static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, Predicate<? super T> hasNext, UnaryOperator<T> next)
        static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, UnaryOperator<T> f)


        These signatures do not allow for some combinations of seeds and UnaryOperators that are sound from a type perspective, e.g. the following doesn't compile:



        UnaryOperator<String> op = s -> s; 
        Stream<CharSequence> scs = iterate("", op); // error


        The proposed solution is to change the method signatures to



        static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, Predicate<? super S> hasNext, UnaryOperator<S> next)
        static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, UnaryOperator<S> f)


        So, in contrast to Optional.or and Optional.flatMap this is a case where the "additional-type-parameter approach" actually works.






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          FWIW, a similar issue with covariant arguments still exists in Stream.iterate and Stream.iterate in Java 11. The current method signatures are



          static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, Predicate<? super T> hasNext, UnaryOperator<T> next)
          static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, UnaryOperator<T> f)


          These signatures do not allow for some combinations of seeds and UnaryOperators that are sound from a type perspective, e.g. the following doesn't compile:



          UnaryOperator<String> op = s -> s; 
          Stream<CharSequence> scs = iterate("", op); // error


          The proposed solution is to change the method signatures to



          static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, Predicate<? super S> hasNext, UnaryOperator<S> next)
          static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, UnaryOperator<S> f)


          So, in contrast to Optional.or and Optional.flatMap this is a case where the "additional-type-parameter approach" actually works.






          share|improve this answer













          FWIW, a similar issue with covariant arguments still exists in Stream.iterate and Stream.iterate in Java 11. The current method signatures are



          static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, Predicate<? super T> hasNext, UnaryOperator<T> next)
          static <T> Stream<T> iterate(T seed, UnaryOperator<T> f)


          These signatures do not allow for some combinations of seeds and UnaryOperators that are sound from a type perspective, e.g. the following doesn't compile:



          UnaryOperator<String> op = s -> s; 
          Stream<CharSequence> scs = iterate("", op); // error


          The proposed solution is to change the method signatures to



          static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, Predicate<? super S> hasNext, UnaryOperator<S> next)
          static <T, S extends T> Stream<T> iterate(S seed, UnaryOperator<S> f)


          So, in contrast to Optional.or and Optional.flatMap this is a case where the "additional-type-parameter approach" actually works.







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              Yeah... it is said that wildcard with an extends-bound (upper bound) makes the type covariant, which means that for example List<Apple> is an actual subtype of List<? extends Fruit> (considering that Apple extends Fruit); this is also called covariance.



              Or in the examples that you have shown, it means that Optional<StringBuilder> is a subtype of Optional<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>, so you could for example do:



              List<Optional<String>> left = new ArrayList<>();
              List<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>> right = new ArrayList<>();

              right = left; // will compile


              or assign a Function to the other






              share|improve this answer






























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                Yeah... it is said that wildcard with an extends-bound (upper bound) makes the type covariant, which means that for example List<Apple> is an actual subtype of List<? extends Fruit> (considering that Apple extends Fruit); this is also called covariance.



                Or in the examples that you have shown, it means that Optional<StringBuilder> is a subtype of Optional<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>, so you could for example do:



                List<Optional<String>> left = new ArrayList<>();
                List<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>> right = new ArrayList<>();

                right = left; // will compile


                or assign a Function to the other






                share|improve this answer




























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                  Yeah... it is said that wildcard with an extends-bound (upper bound) makes the type covariant, which means that for example List<Apple> is an actual subtype of List<? extends Fruit> (considering that Apple extends Fruit); this is also called covariance.



                  Or in the examples that you have shown, it means that Optional<StringBuilder> is a subtype of Optional<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>, so you could for example do:



                  List<Optional<String>> left = new ArrayList<>();
                  List<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>> right = new ArrayList<>();

                  right = left; // will compile


                  or assign a Function to the other






                  share|improve this answer















                  Yeah... it is said that wildcard with an extends-bound (upper bound) makes the type covariant, which means that for example List<Apple> is an actual subtype of List<? extends Fruit> (considering that Apple extends Fruit); this is also called covariance.



                  Or in the examples that you have shown, it means that Optional<StringBuilder> is a subtype of Optional<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>>, so you could for example do:



                  List<Optional<String>> left = new ArrayList<>();
                  List<? extends Optional<? extends CharSequence>> right = new ArrayList<>();

                  right = left; // will compile


                  or assign a Function to the other







                  share|improve this answer














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