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Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:



$f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:



$r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



Two simple questions now:




  • How can we prove this is the shortest distance?


  • Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:



$frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$










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    Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:



    $f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



    Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:



    $r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



    Two simple questions now:




    • How can we prove this is the shortest distance?


    • Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:



    $frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$










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      Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:



      $f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



      Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:



      $r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



      Two simple questions now:




      • How can we prove this is the shortest distance?


      • Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:



      $frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$










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      Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:



      $f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



      Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:



      $r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$



      Two simple questions now:




      • How can we prove this is the shortest distance?


      • Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:



      $frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$







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          If $a/b=t>1,$



          $$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$



          Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$






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          • For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
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          For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation



          $y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$



          The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by



          $d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.



          If now we compute the derivative:



          $frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$



          from that we should get:



          $x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$



          But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.






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          • You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
            – Calum Gilhooley
            Nov 23 at 20:06












          • Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
            – rk85
            Nov 25 at 10:30











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          If $a/b=t>1,$



          $$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$



          Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$






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          • For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Nov 23 at 15:24















          up vote
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          If $a/b=t>1,$



          $$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$



          Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$






          share|cite|improve this answer





















          • For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Nov 23 at 15:24













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          up vote
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          If $a/b=t>1,$



          $$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$



          Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$






          share|cite|improve this answer












          If $a/b=t>1,$



          $$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$



          Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$







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          • For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Nov 23 at 15:24


















          • For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Nov 23 at 15:24
















          For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
          – lab bhattacharjee
          Nov 23 at 15:24




          For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
          – lab bhattacharjee
          Nov 23 at 15:24










          up vote
          0
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          For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation



          $y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$



          The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by



          $d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.



          If now we compute the derivative:



          $frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$



          from that we should get:



          $x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$



          But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.






          share|cite|improve this answer





















          • You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
            – Calum Gilhooley
            Nov 23 at 20:06












          • Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
            – rk85
            Nov 25 at 10:30















          up vote
          0
          down vote













          For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation



          $y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$



          The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by



          $d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.



          If now we compute the derivative:



          $frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$



          from that we should get:



          $x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$



          But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.






          share|cite|improve this answer





















          • You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
            – Calum Gilhooley
            Nov 23 at 20:06












          • Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
            – rk85
            Nov 25 at 10:30













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          up vote
          0
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          For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation



          $y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$



          The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by



          $d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.



          If now we compute the derivative:



          $frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$



          from that we should get:



          $x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$



          But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation



          $y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$



          The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by



          $d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.



          If now we compute the derivative:



          $frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$



          from that we should get:



          $x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$



          But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.







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          answered Nov 23 at 19:15









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          • You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
            – Calum Gilhooley
            Nov 23 at 20:06












          • Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
            – rk85
            Nov 25 at 10:30


















          • You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
            – Calum Gilhooley
            Nov 23 at 20:06












          • Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
            – rk85
            Nov 25 at 10:30
















          You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
          – Calum Gilhooley
          Nov 23 at 20:06






          You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
          – Calum Gilhooley
          Nov 23 at 20:06














          Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
          – rk85
          Nov 25 at 10:30




          Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
          – rk85
          Nov 25 at 10:30


















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