Distance from focus to nearest point in ellipse
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Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:
$f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:
$r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Two simple questions now:
How can we prove this is the shortest distance?
Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:
$frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$
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Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:
$f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:
$r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Two simple questions now:
How can we prove this is the shortest distance?
Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:
$frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$
conic-sections
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Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:
$f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:
$r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Two simple questions now:
How can we prove this is the shortest distance?
Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:
$frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$
conic-sections
Consider an ellipse with semi-axes $a$ (major) and $b$ (minor). For such an ellipse the distance of focus to the centre is:
$f = sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Now, the distance from the focus to the nearest point on the ellipse is along the major semi-axis a, thus this distance is:
$r_1 = a - f = a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
Two simple questions now:
How can we prove this is the shortest distance?
Can we somewhat prove that the following is always true:
$frac{a - sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b} < 1$
conic-sections
conic-sections
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If $a/b=t>1,$
$$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$
Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$
For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
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For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation
$y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$
The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by
$d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.
If now we compute the derivative:
$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$
from that we should get:
$x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$
But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.
You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
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If $a/b=t>1,$
$$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$
Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$
For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
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If $a/b=t>1,$
$$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$
Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$
For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
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If $a/b=t>1,$
$$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$
Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$
If $a/b=t>1,$
$$t-sqrt{t^2-1}=dfrac1{t+sqrt{t^2-1}}<dfrac1t<1$$
Alternatively, $t=csc2y,0<2yledfracpi2$
answered Nov 23 at 15:10
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For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
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For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
For $1)$ $$d^2=(ae-acos u)^2+(bsin u-0)^2,b^2=a^2(1-e^2)$$
– lab bhattacharjee
Nov 23 at 15:24
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For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation
$y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$
The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by
$d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.
If now we compute the derivative:
$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$
from that we should get:
$x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$
But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.
You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
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For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation
$y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$
The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by
$d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.
If now we compute the derivative:
$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$
from that we should get:
$x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$
But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.
You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
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For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation
$y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$
The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by
$d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.
If now we compute the derivative:
$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$
from that we should get:
$x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$
But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.
For 1) I wanted to do a very simple thing. A top part of ellipse has the equation
$y = bsqrt{1-frac{x^2}{a^2}}$
The squared distance from focus to any point is then given by
$d^2 = left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right)^2 + b^2left(1-frac{x^2}{a^2}right)$.
If now we compute the derivative:
$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}x} left(d^2right) = 2 left[ left(x - sqrt{a^2-b^2}right) - left(frac{b}{a}right)^2 x right] = 2 left[ x left( 1 - frac{b^2}{a^2} right) - sqrt{a^2-b^2} right] = 0$
from that we should get:
$x = frac{sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}}$
But there must be some mistake here since for minimum $x = a$ and for maximum $x = -a$. Many thanks in advance.
answered Nov 23 at 19:15
rk85
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You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
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You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
You correctly have $frac{d}{dx}(d^2) = 2left(1 - frac{b^2}{a^2}right)(x - c)$, where $c = frac{a^2}{sqrt{a^2 - b^2}}$. But note that $c > a$, so the derivative of $d^2$ with respect to $x$ is strictly negative for all the possible values of $x$, i.e. all those between $-a$ and $a$. This actually confirms the conclusion that the minimum value of $d^2$ is attained when $x = a$. [Sorry if you tried to read this a couple of minutes ago - my thumb accidentally hit the Enter key!]
– Calum Gilhooley
Nov 23 at 20:06
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
Yes, that is correct. Thanks.
– rk85
Nov 25 at 10:30
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