Prove that$ H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
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Suppose that $X$ is a manifold with boundary and $x∈∂X$. Let $ϕ:U→X$ be a local parametrization with $ϕ (0)=x$ where $U$ is an open subset of $H^k$. Then $dϕ_0:R^k→T_x (X)$ is an isomorphism. Define the upper half space $H_x (X)$ in $T_x (X)$ to be the image of $H^k$ under $dϕ_0, H_x (X)=dϕ_0 (H^k )$. Prove that$ H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
I tried to construct another local parametrization say $omega:V→X$ where $V$ is also an open subset of $H^k$ and $omega (0)=x$. Since both $U$ and $V$ are subset of $H^k$, $U cap V$ is also subset of $H^k$. I found a hint that tell me to consider $ phi (U) cap omega(V)$ but I can't see how this can help me.
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Suppose that $X$ is a manifold with boundary and $x∈∂X$. Let $ϕ:U→X$ be a local parametrization with $ϕ (0)=x$ where $U$ is an open subset of $H^k$. Then $dϕ_0:R^k→T_x (X)$ is an isomorphism. Define the upper half space $H_x (X)$ in $T_x (X)$ to be the image of $H^k$ under $dϕ_0, H_x (X)=dϕ_0 (H^k )$. Prove that$ H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
I tried to construct another local parametrization say $omega:V→X$ where $V$ is also an open subset of $H^k$ and $omega (0)=x$. Since both $U$ and $V$ are subset of $H^k$, $U cap V$ is also subset of $H^k$. I found a hint that tell me to consider $ phi (U) cap omega(V)$ but I can't see how this can help me.
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Suppose that $X$ is a manifold with boundary and $x∈∂X$. Let $ϕ:U→X$ be a local parametrization with $ϕ (0)=x$ where $U$ is an open subset of $H^k$. Then $dϕ_0:R^k→T_x (X)$ is an isomorphism. Define the upper half space $H_x (X)$ in $T_x (X)$ to be the image of $H^k$ under $dϕ_0, H_x (X)=dϕ_0 (H^k )$. Prove that$ H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
I tried to construct another local parametrization say $omega:V→X$ where $V$ is also an open subset of $H^k$ and $omega (0)=x$. Since both $U$ and $V$ are subset of $H^k$, $U cap V$ is also subset of $H^k$. I found a hint that tell me to consider $ phi (U) cap omega(V)$ but I can't see how this can help me.
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Suppose that $X$ is a manifold with boundary and $x∈∂X$. Let $ϕ:U→X$ be a local parametrization with $ϕ (0)=x$ where $U$ is an open subset of $H^k$. Then $dϕ_0:R^k→T_x (X)$ is an isomorphism. Define the upper half space $H_x (X)$ in $T_x (X)$ to be the image of $H^k$ under $dϕ_0, H_x (X)=dϕ_0 (H^k )$. Prove that$ H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
I tried to construct another local parametrization say $omega:V→X$ where $V$ is also an open subset of $H^k$ and $omega (0)=x$. Since both $U$ and $V$ are subset of $H^k$, $U cap V$ is also subset of $H^k$. I found a hint that tell me to consider $ phi (U) cap omega(V)$ but I can't see how this can help me.
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This problem is very similar to one of mine. So I just take my solution and modify a little bit. Hope it helps.
Let $ω:V→X$ be a local parametrization with $ω(0)=x$ and $V$ is also a an open subset of $H^k$. If we shrink both $U$ and $V$ small enough, we will have $ϕ(U)=ω(V)$. Then we have the map $g=ω^{-1} o ϕ:U→V$ is diffeomorphism. From this if we write $ϕ=ω o g$ then take derivative both sides , we have $dϕ_o=dω_o o dg_o$. This mean that $im(dω_o )⊂im(dϕ_o )$
Repeat the above process but swap $ϕ$ and $ω$ to each other, we will have $im(dϕ_o )⊂im(dω_o )$. So $im(dω_o )=im(dϕ_o )$, thus $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ implies $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$. From the definition of $H_x (X)$, we can conclude that $H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
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I think a point of this exercise is that a boundary in some extent orients the tangentplane. The assertion would not be true for a boundaryless manifold, as take for example the sphere $S^1$. Choosing two parametrizations around the north pole $phi(x)=(x,sqrt{1-x^2})$ and $psi(x)=(-x,sqrt{1-x^2})$, $xin(-1,1)$, we have $phi[(-1,1)]=psi[(-1,1)]$ but $dphi_0(H^1)=H^1$ and $dpsi_0(H^1)=-H^1$.
Instead, let $phi, psi: Vrightarrow X$ be two parametrizations with $phi(0)=psi(0)=x$. We know that $dphi_0$ and $dpsi_0$ are both isomorphisms from $mathbb{R}^k$ to $T_x(X)$. Assume $vin dphi_0(H^k)$ but $vnotin dpsi_0(H^k)$. Then $dpsi^{-1}_x(v)in mathbb{R}^k-H^k$. Let $alpha$ be a curve in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $alpha(0)=0$ and $alpha'(0)=dpsi^{-1}_x(v)$. By definition, $phi$ and $psi$ can be extended to smooth functions $Phi, Psi$ on open nbhds of $0$ in $mathbb{R}^k$, on which they are both still diffeomorphisms.
Note that $alpha$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $mathbb{R}^k-H^k$, so $Psicircalpha$ maps $(0,epsilon)$ to an open arc in the ambient space of $X$ that is disjoint from $X$. Finally, consider the map $g=Phi^{-1}circPsicircalpha$ which is an arc in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $g(0)=0$ and
$$
g'(0)=dPhi^{-1}_xcirc dPsi_0(dPsi^{-1}_x(v))=dPhi^{-1}_x(v)in H^k,
$$
by our choice of $v$. The curve $g$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $H^k$ whereas $Psicircalpha$ maps the same interval outside of $X$, but this would imply that the extension map $Phi$ maps points in $H^k$ outside of $X$! This cannot be true since $Phi|_{H^k}=phi$ maps $H^k$ into $X$. We conclude that $dphi_0(H^k)=dpsi_0(H^k)$.
It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
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Since you are using G&P (exercise 2.1.7*), here is a solution in that flavor which doesn't use parametrizing local curves.
Let $phi:Uto X$ and $psi:Wto X$ be local parametrizations about a point $xinpartial X$ where $U$ and $W$ are open subsets of $H^k$ with the usual $0mapsto x$ for $phi$ and $psi$. Then, by shrinking neighborhoods if need be, $g=psi^{-1}circphi$ is a diffeomorphism $Ucong W$. Let $G$ be an extension of $g$ to an open subset of $mathbb{R}^k$, $G:U'to W$. By definition $dg_0=dG_0$ (p.59). Since $phi$ and $psi$ map boundary to boundary (exercise 2.1.2), they must map (strict) upper half space to $X^circ$. This gives us that $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$. Now observe that since $G$ is smooth, the limit $lim_{tto 0}frac{G(tv)}{t}$ exists and equals $dG_0(v)$ for all $vinmathbb{R}^k$. So, in particular, for $vin H^k$ since $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$ and $H^k$ is a closed set, we have that
$$dG_0(v)=lim_{tto 0^+}frac{G(tv)}{v}in H^k$$This shows that $dG_0(H^k)subset H^k$. But since the chain rule still works (p.59) we have that $dG_0=dg_0=dpsi^{-1}_xcirc dphi_0$ and therefore we have shown that $dphi_0(H^k)subset dpsi_0(H^k)$. Defining $G$ in the reverse order gives the other inclusion that we seek and thus gives $dphi_0(H^k)= dpsi_0(H^k)$. This guarantees that the definition $H_x(X)=dphi_0(H^k)$ is well defined.
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
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Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
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This problem is very similar to one of mine. So I just take my solution and modify a little bit. Hope it helps.
Let $ω:V→X$ be a local parametrization with $ω(0)=x$ and $V$ is also a an open subset of $H^k$. If we shrink both $U$ and $V$ small enough, we will have $ϕ(U)=ω(V)$. Then we have the map $g=ω^{-1} o ϕ:U→V$ is diffeomorphism. From this if we write $ϕ=ω o g$ then take derivative both sides , we have $dϕ_o=dω_o o dg_o$. This mean that $im(dω_o )⊂im(dϕ_o )$
Repeat the above process but swap $ϕ$ and $ω$ to each other, we will have $im(dϕ_o )⊂im(dω_o )$. So $im(dω_o )=im(dϕ_o )$, thus $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ implies $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$. From the definition of $H_x (X)$, we can conclude that $H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
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This problem is very similar to one of mine. So I just take my solution and modify a little bit. Hope it helps.
Let $ω:V→X$ be a local parametrization with $ω(0)=x$ and $V$ is also a an open subset of $H^k$. If we shrink both $U$ and $V$ small enough, we will have $ϕ(U)=ω(V)$. Then we have the map $g=ω^{-1} o ϕ:U→V$ is diffeomorphism. From this if we write $ϕ=ω o g$ then take derivative both sides , we have $dϕ_o=dω_o o dg_o$. This mean that $im(dω_o )⊂im(dϕ_o )$
Repeat the above process but swap $ϕ$ and $ω$ to each other, we will have $im(dϕ_o )⊂im(dω_o )$. So $im(dω_o )=im(dϕ_o )$, thus $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ implies $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$. From the definition of $H_x (X)$, we can conclude that $H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
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This problem is very similar to one of mine. So I just take my solution and modify a little bit. Hope it helps.
Let $ω:V→X$ be a local parametrization with $ω(0)=x$ and $V$ is also a an open subset of $H^k$. If we shrink both $U$ and $V$ small enough, we will have $ϕ(U)=ω(V)$. Then we have the map $g=ω^{-1} o ϕ:U→V$ is diffeomorphism. From this if we write $ϕ=ω o g$ then take derivative both sides , we have $dϕ_o=dω_o o dg_o$. This mean that $im(dω_o )⊂im(dϕ_o )$
Repeat the above process but swap $ϕ$ and $ω$ to each other, we will have $im(dϕ_o )⊂im(dω_o )$. So $im(dω_o )=im(dϕ_o )$, thus $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ implies $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$. From the definition of $H_x (X)$, we can conclude that $H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
This problem is very similar to one of mine. So I just take my solution and modify a little bit. Hope it helps.
Let $ω:V→X$ be a local parametrization with $ω(0)=x$ and $V$ is also a an open subset of $H^k$. If we shrink both $U$ and $V$ small enough, we will have $ϕ(U)=ω(V)$. Then we have the map $g=ω^{-1} o ϕ:U→V$ is diffeomorphism. From this if we write $ϕ=ω o g$ then take derivative both sides , we have $dϕ_o=dω_o o dg_o$. This mean that $im(dω_o )⊂im(dϕ_o )$
Repeat the above process but swap $ϕ$ and $ω$ to each other, we will have $im(dϕ_o )⊂im(dω_o )$. So $im(dω_o )=im(dϕ_o )$, thus $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ implies $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$. From the definition of $H_x (X)$, we can conclude that $H_x (X)$ does not depend on the choice of local parametrization.
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
– Prototank
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I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
– Prototank
May 24 at 14:30
I don't think this is a solution as presented. This is a proof that tanget space is well defined, but not a proof that upper half space is well defined. All you have shown is that $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$. What if one of these maps flips $R^k$ and the other leaves it alone? $dϕ_o (R^k)=dω_o (R^k)$ doesn't alone imply $dϕ_o (H^k)=dω_o (H^k)$
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I think a point of this exercise is that a boundary in some extent orients the tangentplane. The assertion would not be true for a boundaryless manifold, as take for example the sphere $S^1$. Choosing two parametrizations around the north pole $phi(x)=(x,sqrt{1-x^2})$ and $psi(x)=(-x,sqrt{1-x^2})$, $xin(-1,1)$, we have $phi[(-1,1)]=psi[(-1,1)]$ but $dphi_0(H^1)=H^1$ and $dpsi_0(H^1)=-H^1$.
Instead, let $phi, psi: Vrightarrow X$ be two parametrizations with $phi(0)=psi(0)=x$. We know that $dphi_0$ and $dpsi_0$ are both isomorphisms from $mathbb{R}^k$ to $T_x(X)$. Assume $vin dphi_0(H^k)$ but $vnotin dpsi_0(H^k)$. Then $dpsi^{-1}_x(v)in mathbb{R}^k-H^k$. Let $alpha$ be a curve in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $alpha(0)=0$ and $alpha'(0)=dpsi^{-1}_x(v)$. By definition, $phi$ and $psi$ can be extended to smooth functions $Phi, Psi$ on open nbhds of $0$ in $mathbb{R}^k$, on which they are both still diffeomorphisms.
Note that $alpha$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $mathbb{R}^k-H^k$, so $Psicircalpha$ maps $(0,epsilon)$ to an open arc in the ambient space of $X$ that is disjoint from $X$. Finally, consider the map $g=Phi^{-1}circPsicircalpha$ which is an arc in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $g(0)=0$ and
$$
g'(0)=dPhi^{-1}_xcirc dPsi_0(dPsi^{-1}_x(v))=dPhi^{-1}_x(v)in H^k,
$$
by our choice of $v$. The curve $g$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $H^k$ whereas $Psicircalpha$ maps the same interval outside of $X$, but this would imply that the extension map $Phi$ maps points in $H^k$ outside of $X$! This cannot be true since $Phi|_{H^k}=phi$ maps $H^k$ into $X$. We conclude that $dphi_0(H^k)=dpsi_0(H^k)$.
It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
– Emilho
Sep 8 '17 at 18:57
One of the reasons posts are deleted is that instead of attempting to answer, the post is an attempt to reply to or comment on another post. That sort of "crosstalk" is not allowed by the StackExchange guidelines, but if you earn $50$ points in reputation, then you can Comment on the posts of others.
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I think a point of this exercise is that a boundary in some extent orients the tangentplane. The assertion would not be true for a boundaryless manifold, as take for example the sphere $S^1$. Choosing two parametrizations around the north pole $phi(x)=(x,sqrt{1-x^2})$ and $psi(x)=(-x,sqrt{1-x^2})$, $xin(-1,1)$, we have $phi[(-1,1)]=psi[(-1,1)]$ but $dphi_0(H^1)=H^1$ and $dpsi_0(H^1)=-H^1$.
Instead, let $phi, psi: Vrightarrow X$ be two parametrizations with $phi(0)=psi(0)=x$. We know that $dphi_0$ and $dpsi_0$ are both isomorphisms from $mathbb{R}^k$ to $T_x(X)$. Assume $vin dphi_0(H^k)$ but $vnotin dpsi_0(H^k)$. Then $dpsi^{-1}_x(v)in mathbb{R}^k-H^k$. Let $alpha$ be a curve in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $alpha(0)=0$ and $alpha'(0)=dpsi^{-1}_x(v)$. By definition, $phi$ and $psi$ can be extended to smooth functions $Phi, Psi$ on open nbhds of $0$ in $mathbb{R}^k$, on which they are both still diffeomorphisms.
Note that $alpha$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $mathbb{R}^k-H^k$, so $Psicircalpha$ maps $(0,epsilon)$ to an open arc in the ambient space of $X$ that is disjoint from $X$. Finally, consider the map $g=Phi^{-1}circPsicircalpha$ which is an arc in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $g(0)=0$ and
$$
g'(0)=dPhi^{-1}_xcirc dPsi_0(dPsi^{-1}_x(v))=dPhi^{-1}_x(v)in H^k,
$$
by our choice of $v$. The curve $g$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $H^k$ whereas $Psicircalpha$ maps the same interval outside of $X$, but this would imply that the extension map $Phi$ maps points in $H^k$ outside of $X$! This cannot be true since $Phi|_{H^k}=phi$ maps $H^k$ into $X$. We conclude that $dphi_0(H^k)=dpsi_0(H^k)$.
It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
– Emilho
Sep 8 '17 at 18:57
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I think a point of this exercise is that a boundary in some extent orients the tangentplane. The assertion would not be true for a boundaryless manifold, as take for example the sphere $S^1$. Choosing two parametrizations around the north pole $phi(x)=(x,sqrt{1-x^2})$ and $psi(x)=(-x,sqrt{1-x^2})$, $xin(-1,1)$, we have $phi[(-1,1)]=psi[(-1,1)]$ but $dphi_0(H^1)=H^1$ and $dpsi_0(H^1)=-H^1$.
Instead, let $phi, psi: Vrightarrow X$ be two parametrizations with $phi(0)=psi(0)=x$. We know that $dphi_0$ and $dpsi_0$ are both isomorphisms from $mathbb{R}^k$ to $T_x(X)$. Assume $vin dphi_0(H^k)$ but $vnotin dpsi_0(H^k)$. Then $dpsi^{-1}_x(v)in mathbb{R}^k-H^k$. Let $alpha$ be a curve in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $alpha(0)=0$ and $alpha'(0)=dpsi^{-1}_x(v)$. By definition, $phi$ and $psi$ can be extended to smooth functions $Phi, Psi$ on open nbhds of $0$ in $mathbb{R}^k$, on which they are both still diffeomorphisms.
Note that $alpha$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $mathbb{R}^k-H^k$, so $Psicircalpha$ maps $(0,epsilon)$ to an open arc in the ambient space of $X$ that is disjoint from $X$. Finally, consider the map $g=Phi^{-1}circPsicircalpha$ which is an arc in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $g(0)=0$ and
$$
g'(0)=dPhi^{-1}_xcirc dPsi_0(dPsi^{-1}_x(v))=dPhi^{-1}_x(v)in H^k,
$$
by our choice of $v$. The curve $g$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $H^k$ whereas $Psicircalpha$ maps the same interval outside of $X$, but this would imply that the extension map $Phi$ maps points in $H^k$ outside of $X$! This cannot be true since $Phi|_{H^k}=phi$ maps $H^k$ into $X$. We conclude that $dphi_0(H^k)=dpsi_0(H^k)$.
I think a point of this exercise is that a boundary in some extent orients the tangentplane. The assertion would not be true for a boundaryless manifold, as take for example the sphere $S^1$. Choosing two parametrizations around the north pole $phi(x)=(x,sqrt{1-x^2})$ and $psi(x)=(-x,sqrt{1-x^2})$, $xin(-1,1)$, we have $phi[(-1,1)]=psi[(-1,1)]$ but $dphi_0(H^1)=H^1$ and $dpsi_0(H^1)=-H^1$.
Instead, let $phi, psi: Vrightarrow X$ be two parametrizations with $phi(0)=psi(0)=x$. We know that $dphi_0$ and $dpsi_0$ are both isomorphisms from $mathbb{R}^k$ to $T_x(X)$. Assume $vin dphi_0(H^k)$ but $vnotin dpsi_0(H^k)$. Then $dpsi^{-1}_x(v)in mathbb{R}^k-H^k$. Let $alpha$ be a curve in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $alpha(0)=0$ and $alpha'(0)=dpsi^{-1}_x(v)$. By definition, $phi$ and $psi$ can be extended to smooth functions $Phi, Psi$ on open nbhds of $0$ in $mathbb{R}^k$, on which they are both still diffeomorphisms.
Note that $alpha$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $mathbb{R}^k-H^k$, so $Psicircalpha$ maps $(0,epsilon)$ to an open arc in the ambient space of $X$ that is disjoint from $X$. Finally, consider the map $g=Phi^{-1}circPsicircalpha$ which is an arc in $mathbb{R}^k$ with $g(0)=0$ and
$$
g'(0)=dPhi^{-1}_xcirc dPsi_0(dPsi^{-1}_x(v))=dPhi^{-1}_x(v)in H^k,
$$
by our choice of $v$. The curve $g$ maps a short interval $(0,epsilon)$ into $H^k$ whereas $Psicircalpha$ maps the same interval outside of $X$, but this would imply that the extension map $Phi$ maps points in $H^k$ outside of $X$! This cannot be true since $Phi|_{H^k}=phi$ maps $H^k$ into $X$. We conclude that $dphi_0(H^k)=dpsi_0(H^k)$.
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It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
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Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
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It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
– Emilho
Sep 8 '17 at 18:57
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– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 20:07
It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
It is hard to see this an Answer to the Question. Of course the assumption that $X$ is a manifold with boundary, and that $x$ is a point on the boundary, is important to the Question (about defining a "half space" $H_x(X)$). Observing that without those assumptions "the assertion would not be true" seems hardly worth the discussion you've given here. Since the Question is somewhat old (almost three years) and has an Accepted Answer, discussion of what seems to be a basic departure from the Question as it was asked is of doubtful value.
– hardmath
Sep 8 '17 at 18:46
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
– Emilho
Sep 8 '17 at 18:57
The reason I posted my answer is that I was not satisfied with the one already given. Citation "dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk)dϕo(Rk)=dωo(Rk) implies dϕo(Hk)=dωo(Hk)", is not correct. This argument could just as well be applied to the boundaryless manifold case, which is why I show a counterexample. The discussion was still relevant for me, and I'm convinced it will still be for others.
– Emilho
Sep 8 '17 at 18:57
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– hardmath
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Since you are using G&P (exercise 2.1.7*), here is a solution in that flavor which doesn't use parametrizing local curves.
Let $phi:Uto X$ and $psi:Wto X$ be local parametrizations about a point $xinpartial X$ where $U$ and $W$ are open subsets of $H^k$ with the usual $0mapsto x$ for $phi$ and $psi$. Then, by shrinking neighborhoods if need be, $g=psi^{-1}circphi$ is a diffeomorphism $Ucong W$. Let $G$ be an extension of $g$ to an open subset of $mathbb{R}^k$, $G:U'to W$. By definition $dg_0=dG_0$ (p.59). Since $phi$ and $psi$ map boundary to boundary (exercise 2.1.2), they must map (strict) upper half space to $X^circ$. This gives us that $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$. Now observe that since $G$ is smooth, the limit $lim_{tto 0}frac{G(tv)}{t}$ exists and equals $dG_0(v)$ for all $vinmathbb{R}^k$. So, in particular, for $vin H^k$ since $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$ and $H^k$ is a closed set, we have that
$$dG_0(v)=lim_{tto 0^+}frac{G(tv)}{v}in H^k$$This shows that $dG_0(H^k)subset H^k$. But since the chain rule still works (p.59) we have that $dG_0=dg_0=dpsi^{-1}_xcirc dphi_0$ and therefore we have shown that $dphi_0(H^k)subset dpsi_0(H^k)$. Defining $G$ in the reverse order gives the other inclusion that we seek and thus gives $dphi_0(H^k)= dpsi_0(H^k)$. This guarantees that the definition $H_x(X)=dphi_0(H^k)$ is well defined.
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
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Since you are using G&P (exercise 2.1.7*), here is a solution in that flavor which doesn't use parametrizing local curves.
Let $phi:Uto X$ and $psi:Wto X$ be local parametrizations about a point $xinpartial X$ where $U$ and $W$ are open subsets of $H^k$ with the usual $0mapsto x$ for $phi$ and $psi$. Then, by shrinking neighborhoods if need be, $g=psi^{-1}circphi$ is a diffeomorphism $Ucong W$. Let $G$ be an extension of $g$ to an open subset of $mathbb{R}^k$, $G:U'to W$. By definition $dg_0=dG_0$ (p.59). Since $phi$ and $psi$ map boundary to boundary (exercise 2.1.2), they must map (strict) upper half space to $X^circ$. This gives us that $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$. Now observe that since $G$ is smooth, the limit $lim_{tto 0}frac{G(tv)}{t}$ exists and equals $dG_0(v)$ for all $vinmathbb{R}^k$. So, in particular, for $vin H^k$ since $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$ and $H^k$ is a closed set, we have that
$$dG_0(v)=lim_{tto 0^+}frac{G(tv)}{v}in H^k$$This shows that $dG_0(H^k)subset H^k$. But since the chain rule still works (p.59) we have that $dG_0=dg_0=dpsi^{-1}_xcirc dphi_0$ and therefore we have shown that $dphi_0(H^k)subset dpsi_0(H^k)$. Defining $G$ in the reverse order gives the other inclusion that we seek and thus gives $dphi_0(H^k)= dpsi_0(H^k)$. This guarantees that the definition $H_x(X)=dphi_0(H^k)$ is well defined.
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
|
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4
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up vote
4
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Since you are using G&P (exercise 2.1.7*), here is a solution in that flavor which doesn't use parametrizing local curves.
Let $phi:Uto X$ and $psi:Wto X$ be local parametrizations about a point $xinpartial X$ where $U$ and $W$ are open subsets of $H^k$ with the usual $0mapsto x$ for $phi$ and $psi$. Then, by shrinking neighborhoods if need be, $g=psi^{-1}circphi$ is a diffeomorphism $Ucong W$. Let $G$ be an extension of $g$ to an open subset of $mathbb{R}^k$, $G:U'to W$. By definition $dg_0=dG_0$ (p.59). Since $phi$ and $psi$ map boundary to boundary (exercise 2.1.2), they must map (strict) upper half space to $X^circ$. This gives us that $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$. Now observe that since $G$ is smooth, the limit $lim_{tto 0}frac{G(tv)}{t}$ exists and equals $dG_0(v)$ for all $vinmathbb{R}^k$. So, in particular, for $vin H^k$ since $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$ and $H^k$ is a closed set, we have that
$$dG_0(v)=lim_{tto 0^+}frac{G(tv)}{v}in H^k$$This shows that $dG_0(H^k)subset H^k$. But since the chain rule still works (p.59) we have that $dG_0=dg_0=dpsi^{-1}_xcirc dphi_0$ and therefore we have shown that $dphi_0(H^k)subset dpsi_0(H^k)$. Defining $G$ in the reverse order gives the other inclusion that we seek and thus gives $dphi_0(H^k)= dpsi_0(H^k)$. This guarantees that the definition $H_x(X)=dphi_0(H^k)$ is well defined.
Since you are using G&P (exercise 2.1.7*), here is a solution in that flavor which doesn't use parametrizing local curves.
Let $phi:Uto X$ and $psi:Wto X$ be local parametrizations about a point $xinpartial X$ where $U$ and $W$ are open subsets of $H^k$ with the usual $0mapsto x$ for $phi$ and $psi$. Then, by shrinking neighborhoods if need be, $g=psi^{-1}circphi$ is a diffeomorphism $Ucong W$. Let $G$ be an extension of $g$ to an open subset of $mathbb{R}^k$, $G:U'to W$. By definition $dg_0=dG_0$ (p.59). Since $phi$ and $psi$ map boundary to boundary (exercise 2.1.2), they must map (strict) upper half space to $X^circ$. This gives us that $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$. Now observe that since $G$ is smooth, the limit $lim_{tto 0}frac{G(tv)}{t}$ exists and equals $dG_0(v)$ for all $vinmathbb{R}^k$. So, in particular, for $vin H^k$ since $G$ maps $H^k$ to $H^k$ and $H^k$ is a closed set, we have that
$$dG_0(v)=lim_{tto 0^+}frac{G(tv)}{v}in H^k$$This shows that $dG_0(H^k)subset H^k$. But since the chain rule still works (p.59) we have that $dG_0=dg_0=dpsi^{-1}_xcirc dphi_0$ and therefore we have shown that $dphi_0(H^k)subset dpsi_0(H^k)$. Defining $G$ in the reverse order gives the other inclusion that we seek and thus gives $dphi_0(H^k)= dpsi_0(H^k)$. This guarantees that the definition $H_x(X)=dphi_0(H^k)$ is well defined.
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answered May 24 at 14:19
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Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
|
show 1 more comment
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
Could you please provide a solution for exercise 2.1.2 Prove that if $f: X rightarrow Y$ is a diffeomorphism of manifolds with boundary, then $partial f$ maps $partial X$ diffeomorphically onto $partial Y$.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:19
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
I have just posted a question about it.
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 13:21
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
Do we have to prove 2.1.2 or as stated from here math.stackexchange.com/questions/554156/… in the first answer , it is clear?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:42
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
That depends on your audience and what they accept. We couldn't talk about any of this to our family members, for instance. How much will they let you get away with? That's something you have to figure out.
– Prototank
Nov 25 at 19:48
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
my question is that a definition that boundary points are mapped to boundary points as stated in the link I have given in my previous comment?
– hopefully
Nov 25 at 19:53
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