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Inspired by $ell_p$ is Hilbert if and only if $p=2$, I try to prove that a $L^p$-space (provided with the standard norm) is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$. I already know that every $L^p$-space is a Banach space with respect to the standard norm.



This is what I got so far.



To prove



Let $(S, Sigma, mu)$ be a measure space and assume that $mu$ is a positive, $sigma$-finite measure that is not the trivial measure. Let $pin [1, +infty]$. The normed space $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} )$ is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$.



Proof



Case 1: $p=2$



The standard inner product $langle cdot , cdot rangle _{L^2}$ induces the standard norm $| cdot | _{L^2}$, so $(L^2 (S, Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^2})$ is a Hilbert space.



Case 2: $pin [1, infty) backslash { 2 }$



Assume $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule:
begin{align}
forall f,g in L^p(S,Sigma , mu): | f + g | ^2 + | f -g | ^2 = 2 ( | f | ^2 + | g | ^2 ).
end{align}

Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$. Define $f_p, g_p in
mathcal{L} ^p (S, Sigma, mu)$
by
begin{align*} f_p := frac{1}{(mu (A) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _A geq 0 text{ and } g_p := frac{1}{(mu (B) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _B geq 0.end{align*}
Doing some calculations gives us begin{align*} 2 left ( | f_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | g_p | _{L^p} ^2 right ) = 4 text{ and } | f_p + g_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | f_p - g_p | _{L^p} ^2 = 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}. end{align*} The functions $f_p$ and $g_p$ do not satisfy the parallelogram rule, since $4neq 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}$ (remember that $pneq 2$). But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^p (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Case 3: $p=infty$



Assume $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule.



Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets and consider $F=1 _A$ and $G=1_B$. Then, we have
begin{align*}
| F + G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | F - G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 = 1 + 1 = 2 neq 4 = 2(1+1) = 2( | F | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 ).
end{align*}

But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^{infty} (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Question



I am not completely sure about the following statements "Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$" and "Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets". How do I know for sure that such measurable sets $A,B$ actually exist? Should I make more assumptions about the measure space in order to make these arguments work?










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    Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
    – Ian
    Nov 28 at 22:36










  • $L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
    – José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
    Nov 29 at 0:15






  • 3




    In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
    – daw
    Nov 29 at 7:30






  • 1




    What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
    – Ian
    Nov 29 at 17:23








  • 1




    Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
    – Ian
    Nov 30 at 14:17

















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Inspired by $ell_p$ is Hilbert if and only if $p=2$, I try to prove that a $L^p$-space (provided with the standard norm) is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$. I already know that every $L^p$-space is a Banach space with respect to the standard norm.



This is what I got so far.



To prove



Let $(S, Sigma, mu)$ be a measure space and assume that $mu$ is a positive, $sigma$-finite measure that is not the trivial measure. Let $pin [1, +infty]$. The normed space $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} )$ is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$.



Proof



Case 1: $p=2$



The standard inner product $langle cdot , cdot rangle _{L^2}$ induces the standard norm $| cdot | _{L^2}$, so $(L^2 (S, Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^2})$ is a Hilbert space.



Case 2: $pin [1, infty) backslash { 2 }$



Assume $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule:
begin{align}
forall f,g in L^p(S,Sigma , mu): | f + g | ^2 + | f -g | ^2 = 2 ( | f | ^2 + | g | ^2 ).
end{align}

Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$. Define $f_p, g_p in
mathcal{L} ^p (S, Sigma, mu)$
by
begin{align*} f_p := frac{1}{(mu (A) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _A geq 0 text{ and } g_p := frac{1}{(mu (B) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _B geq 0.end{align*}
Doing some calculations gives us begin{align*} 2 left ( | f_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | g_p | _{L^p} ^2 right ) = 4 text{ and } | f_p + g_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | f_p - g_p | _{L^p} ^2 = 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}. end{align*} The functions $f_p$ and $g_p$ do not satisfy the parallelogram rule, since $4neq 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}$ (remember that $pneq 2$). But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^p (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Case 3: $p=infty$



Assume $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule.



Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets and consider $F=1 _A$ and $G=1_B$. Then, we have
begin{align*}
| F + G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | F - G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 = 1 + 1 = 2 neq 4 = 2(1+1) = 2( | F | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 ).
end{align*}

But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^{infty} (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Question



I am not completely sure about the following statements "Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$" and "Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets". How do I know for sure that such measurable sets $A,B$ actually exist? Should I make more assumptions about the measure space in order to make these arguments work?










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  • 1




    Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
    – Ian
    Nov 28 at 22:36










  • $L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
    – José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
    Nov 29 at 0:15






  • 3




    In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
    – daw
    Nov 29 at 7:30






  • 1




    What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
    – Ian
    Nov 29 at 17:23








  • 1




    Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
    – Ian
    Nov 30 at 14:17















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Inspired by $ell_p$ is Hilbert if and only if $p=2$, I try to prove that a $L^p$-space (provided with the standard norm) is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$. I already know that every $L^p$-space is a Banach space with respect to the standard norm.



This is what I got so far.



To prove



Let $(S, Sigma, mu)$ be a measure space and assume that $mu$ is a positive, $sigma$-finite measure that is not the trivial measure. Let $pin [1, +infty]$. The normed space $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} )$ is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$.



Proof



Case 1: $p=2$



The standard inner product $langle cdot , cdot rangle _{L^2}$ induces the standard norm $| cdot | _{L^2}$, so $(L^2 (S, Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^2})$ is a Hilbert space.



Case 2: $pin [1, infty) backslash { 2 }$



Assume $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule:
begin{align}
forall f,g in L^p(S,Sigma , mu): | f + g | ^2 + | f -g | ^2 = 2 ( | f | ^2 + | g | ^2 ).
end{align}

Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$. Define $f_p, g_p in
mathcal{L} ^p (S, Sigma, mu)$
by
begin{align*} f_p := frac{1}{(mu (A) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _A geq 0 text{ and } g_p := frac{1}{(mu (B) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _B geq 0.end{align*}
Doing some calculations gives us begin{align*} 2 left ( | f_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | g_p | _{L^p} ^2 right ) = 4 text{ and } | f_p + g_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | f_p - g_p | _{L^p} ^2 = 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}. end{align*} The functions $f_p$ and $g_p$ do not satisfy the parallelogram rule, since $4neq 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}$ (remember that $pneq 2$). But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^p (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Case 3: $p=infty$



Assume $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule.



Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets and consider $F=1 _A$ and $G=1_B$. Then, we have
begin{align*}
| F + G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | F - G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 = 1 + 1 = 2 neq 4 = 2(1+1) = 2( | F | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 ).
end{align*}

But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^{infty} (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Question



I am not completely sure about the following statements "Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$" and "Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets". How do I know for sure that such measurable sets $A,B$ actually exist? Should I make more assumptions about the measure space in order to make these arguments work?










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Inspired by $ell_p$ is Hilbert if and only if $p=2$, I try to prove that a $L^p$-space (provided with the standard norm) is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$. I already know that every $L^p$-space is a Banach space with respect to the standard norm.



This is what I got so far.



To prove



Let $(S, Sigma, mu)$ be a measure space and assume that $mu$ is a positive, $sigma$-finite measure that is not the trivial measure. Let $pin [1, +infty]$. The normed space $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} )$ is a Hilbert space if and only if $p=2$.



Proof



Case 1: $p=2$



The standard inner product $langle cdot , cdot rangle _{L^2}$ induces the standard norm $| cdot | _{L^2}$, so $(L^2 (S, Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^2})$ is a Hilbert space.



Case 2: $pin [1, infty) backslash { 2 }$



Assume $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule:
begin{align}
forall f,g in L^p(S,Sigma , mu): | f + g | ^2 + | f -g | ^2 = 2 ( | f | ^2 + | g | ^2 ).
end{align}

Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$. Define $f_p, g_p in
mathcal{L} ^p (S, Sigma, mu)$
by
begin{align*} f_p := frac{1}{(mu (A) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _A geq 0 text{ and } g_p := frac{1}{(mu (B) ) ^{1/p}} 1 _B geq 0.end{align*}
Doing some calculations gives us begin{align*} 2 left ( | f_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | g_p | _{L^p} ^2 right ) = 4 text{ and } | f_p + g_p | _{L^p} ^2 + | f_p - g_p | _{L^p} ^2 = 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}. end{align*} The functions $f_p$ and $g_p$ do not satisfy the parallelogram rule, since $4neq 2 cdot 2 ^{2/p}$ (remember that $pneq 2$). But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^p (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^p(S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^p} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



Case 3: $p=infty$



Assume $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space. Then it is also an inner product space, so it must satisfy the parallelogram rule.



Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets and consider $F=1 _A$ and $G=1_B$. Then, we have
begin{align*}
| F + G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | F - G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 = 1 + 1 = 2 neq 4 = 2(1+1) = 2( | F | _{L^{infty}} ^2 + | G | _{L^{infty}} ^2 ).
end{align*}

But this contradicts our earlier conclusion that all $f,gin L^{infty} (S, Sigma , mu)$ must satisfy the parallelogram rule. Therefore, our assumption that $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is a Hilbert space is wrong. Hence, $(L^{infty} (S,Sigma , mu), | cdot | _{L^{infty}} ) $ is not a Hilbert space.



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I am not completely sure about the following statements "Let $A, B$ be disjoint measurable sets such that $0 < mu (A), mu (B) < infty$" and "Let $A$ and $B$ be disjoint measurable sets which are not null sets". How do I know for sure that such measurable sets $A,B$ actually exist? Should I make more assumptions about the measure space in order to make these arguments work?







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    Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
    – Ian
    Nov 28 at 22:36










  • $L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
    – José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
    Nov 29 at 0:15






  • 3




    In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
    – daw
    Nov 29 at 7:30






  • 1




    What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
    – Ian
    Nov 29 at 17:23








  • 1




    Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
    – Ian
    Nov 30 at 14:17
















  • 1




    Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
    – Ian
    Nov 28 at 22:36










  • $L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
    – José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
    Nov 29 at 0:15






  • 3




    In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
    – daw
    Nov 29 at 7:30






  • 1




    What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
    – Ian
    Nov 29 at 17:23








  • 1




    Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
    – Ian
    Nov 30 at 14:17










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Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
– Ian
Nov 28 at 22:36




Technically your proof can fail in the case when there's just one atom with finite positive measure in the entire space, but in this case you can do explicit calculations along the lines of your case 2 and 3.
– Ian
Nov 28 at 22:36












$L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
– José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
Nov 29 at 0:15




$L^p$ of what? $mathbb{R}? or what?
– José Alejandro Aburto Araneda
Nov 29 at 0:15




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In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
– daw
Nov 29 at 7:30




In this case (one atom with positive measure) the $L^p$ space is isomorphic to $mathbb R^1$, which is a Hilbert space for all $p$, as all the $L^p$-norms coincide
– daw
Nov 29 at 7:30




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What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
– Ian
Nov 29 at 17:23






What @daw said is what I meant, you see it by just doing an explicit calculation of the left and right sides of the parallelogram law, for general $f,g$ (which are really just single scalars).
– Ian
Nov 29 at 17:23






1




1




Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
– Ian
Nov 30 at 14:17






Technically your statement about $mu$ being a Dirac measure is not true, but it is "morally true". The only difference is that the set ${ x }$ may be replaced by a set $A$ with $mu(A)>0$ and with $forall B subsetneq A,mu(B)=0$.
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