Constants for a solution to the Laplace equation
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Consider one of the solutions to the Laplace equation
$$u(x,t)=sum_{n=1}^{infty} C_{n}e^{-alpha _{n}^2kt}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ],$$
where
$alpha _{n}^2$ is a positive eigenvalue. An initial condition is given as
$$u(x,0)=sum_{n=1}^{infty}C_{n}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ].$$
I am not showing my work that got me to this solution, because that would be a bit of time waster, both for me and whoever is reading.
My question is:
From this information, what would be the constants(usually given as an expression with an integral) of $C_{n}$ and $B_{n}$?
I usually do not have trouble with this, but the $C_{n}$ seems to be where I am confused. I understand that this would be a full Fourier seires, but I am not too sure how to continue. Could anyone provide me some feedback?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: The boundary conditions are:
$$u_{x}(0,t) +hu(0,t)=0 text{and} u_{x}(1,t)=0, t>0.$$
Also, I am just showing the solution for the positive eigenvalues, since I do not need help finding the constants for the negative one.
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Consider one of the solutions to the Laplace equation
$$u(x,t)=sum_{n=1}^{infty} C_{n}e^{-alpha _{n}^2kt}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ],$$
where
$alpha _{n}^2$ is a positive eigenvalue. An initial condition is given as
$$u(x,0)=sum_{n=1}^{infty}C_{n}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ].$$
I am not showing my work that got me to this solution, because that would be a bit of time waster, both for me and whoever is reading.
My question is:
From this information, what would be the constants(usually given as an expression with an integral) of $C_{n}$ and $B_{n}$?
I usually do not have trouble with this, but the $C_{n}$ seems to be where I am confused. I understand that this would be a full Fourier seires, but I am not too sure how to continue. Could anyone provide me some feedback?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: The boundary conditions are:
$$u_{x}(0,t) +hu(0,t)=0 text{and} u_{x}(1,t)=0, t>0.$$
Also, I am just showing the solution for the positive eigenvalues, since I do not need help finding the constants for the negative one.
pde fourier-series
What are your boundary conditions?
– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41
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Consider one of the solutions to the Laplace equation
$$u(x,t)=sum_{n=1}^{infty} C_{n}e^{-alpha _{n}^2kt}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ],$$
where
$alpha _{n}^2$ is a positive eigenvalue. An initial condition is given as
$$u(x,0)=sum_{n=1}^{infty}C_{n}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ].$$
I am not showing my work that got me to this solution, because that would be a bit of time waster, both for me and whoever is reading.
My question is:
From this information, what would be the constants(usually given as an expression with an integral) of $C_{n}$ and $B_{n}$?
I usually do not have trouble with this, but the $C_{n}$ seems to be where I am confused. I understand that this would be a full Fourier seires, but I am not too sure how to continue. Could anyone provide me some feedback?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: The boundary conditions are:
$$u_{x}(0,t) +hu(0,t)=0 text{and} u_{x}(1,t)=0, t>0.$$
Also, I am just showing the solution for the positive eigenvalues, since I do not need help finding the constants for the negative one.
pde fourier-series
Consider one of the solutions to the Laplace equation
$$u(x,t)=sum_{n=1}^{infty} C_{n}e^{-alpha _{n}^2kt}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ],$$
where
$alpha _{n}^2$ is a positive eigenvalue. An initial condition is given as
$$u(x,0)=sum_{n=1}^{infty}C_{n}left [ frac{-alpha_{n} }{h}cos(alpha _{n}x) + B_{n}sin(alpha _{n}x) right ].$$
I am not showing my work that got me to this solution, because that would be a bit of time waster, both for me and whoever is reading.
My question is:
From this information, what would be the constants(usually given as an expression with an integral) of $C_{n}$ and $B_{n}$?
I usually do not have trouble with this, but the $C_{n}$ seems to be where I am confused. I understand that this would be a full Fourier seires, but I am not too sure how to continue. Could anyone provide me some feedback?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: The boundary conditions are:
$$u_{x}(0,t) +hu(0,t)=0 text{and} u_{x}(1,t)=0, t>0.$$
Also, I am just showing the solution for the positive eigenvalues, since I do not need help finding the constants for the negative one.
pde fourier-series
pde fourier-series
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What are your boundary conditions?
– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41
add a comment |
What are your boundary conditions?
– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41
What are your boundary conditions?
– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
What are your boundary conditions?
– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41
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Let's start off with the eigenfunction in $x$
$$ X_n(x) = -frac{alpha_n}{h}cos(alpha_n x) + B_nsin(alpha_n x) $$
The first B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(0) + hX_n(0) = alpha_n B_n - alpha_n = 0 implies B_n = 1 $$
With that out of the way, the second B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(1) = alpha_nleft[frac{alpha_n}{h}sin alpha_n + cosalpha_nright] = 0 $$
$$ implies alpha_ntanalpha_n = -h $$
This is a necessary condition for $alpha_n$. There is no closed form, but you can solve it numerically given any $h$.
To show the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, note that for $nne m$ we have
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n = {X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 + int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' $$
However
begin{align}
{X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 &= -{X_m}'(0)X_n(0) + X_m(0){X_n}'(0) \
&= hX_m(0)cdot X_n(0) - X_m(0)cdot hX_n(0) = 0
end{align}
Therefore
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n - int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' = 0 implies -(alpha_m^2-alpha_n^2)int_0^1 X_mX_n = 0 $$
But $alpha_m ne alpha_n$, so the integral must be $0$
The remaining condition is
$$ u(x,0) = f(x) = sum_n C_n X_n(x) $$
where $f(x)$ is a known function. Using orthogonality
$$ int_0^1 f(x)X_m(x) dx = sum_n C_n int_0^1 X_n(x) X_m(x) dx = C_m int_0^1 big[X_m(x)big]^2 dx $$
$$ implies C_n = frac{int_0^1 f(x) X_n(x) dx}{int_0^1 big[X_n(x)big]^2 dx} $$
where the integrals depend on $alpha_n$. Again, numerical computation is useful here
If you follow the same method for the other case, i.e. $X'' = mu^2 X$, you'll find
$$ X_n(x) = frac{mu_n}{h}cosh(mu_n x) + sinh(mu_n x) $$
and $ mu_ntanhmu_n = h $. There is one solution if $h > 0$.
Note that the formula for $C_n$ works the same whether the eigenvalue is positive, negative, or zero.
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Let's start off with the eigenfunction in $x$
$$ X_n(x) = -frac{alpha_n}{h}cos(alpha_n x) + B_nsin(alpha_n x) $$
The first B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(0) + hX_n(0) = alpha_n B_n - alpha_n = 0 implies B_n = 1 $$
With that out of the way, the second B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(1) = alpha_nleft[frac{alpha_n}{h}sin alpha_n + cosalpha_nright] = 0 $$
$$ implies alpha_ntanalpha_n = -h $$
This is a necessary condition for $alpha_n$. There is no closed form, but you can solve it numerically given any $h$.
To show the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, note that for $nne m$ we have
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n = {X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 + int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' $$
However
begin{align}
{X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 &= -{X_m}'(0)X_n(0) + X_m(0){X_n}'(0) \
&= hX_m(0)cdot X_n(0) - X_m(0)cdot hX_n(0) = 0
end{align}
Therefore
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n - int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' = 0 implies -(alpha_m^2-alpha_n^2)int_0^1 X_mX_n = 0 $$
But $alpha_m ne alpha_n$, so the integral must be $0$
The remaining condition is
$$ u(x,0) = f(x) = sum_n C_n X_n(x) $$
where $f(x)$ is a known function. Using orthogonality
$$ int_0^1 f(x)X_m(x) dx = sum_n C_n int_0^1 X_n(x) X_m(x) dx = C_m int_0^1 big[X_m(x)big]^2 dx $$
$$ implies C_n = frac{int_0^1 f(x) X_n(x) dx}{int_0^1 big[X_n(x)big]^2 dx} $$
where the integrals depend on $alpha_n$. Again, numerical computation is useful here
If you follow the same method for the other case, i.e. $X'' = mu^2 X$, you'll find
$$ X_n(x) = frac{mu_n}{h}cosh(mu_n x) + sinh(mu_n x) $$
and $ mu_ntanhmu_n = h $. There is one solution if $h > 0$.
Note that the formula for $C_n$ works the same whether the eigenvalue is positive, negative, or zero.
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Let's start off with the eigenfunction in $x$
$$ X_n(x) = -frac{alpha_n}{h}cos(alpha_n x) + B_nsin(alpha_n x) $$
The first B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(0) + hX_n(0) = alpha_n B_n - alpha_n = 0 implies B_n = 1 $$
With that out of the way, the second B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(1) = alpha_nleft[frac{alpha_n}{h}sin alpha_n + cosalpha_nright] = 0 $$
$$ implies alpha_ntanalpha_n = -h $$
This is a necessary condition for $alpha_n$. There is no closed form, but you can solve it numerically given any $h$.
To show the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, note that for $nne m$ we have
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n = {X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 + int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' $$
However
begin{align}
{X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 &= -{X_m}'(0)X_n(0) + X_m(0){X_n}'(0) \
&= hX_m(0)cdot X_n(0) - X_m(0)cdot hX_n(0) = 0
end{align}
Therefore
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n - int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' = 0 implies -(alpha_m^2-alpha_n^2)int_0^1 X_mX_n = 0 $$
But $alpha_m ne alpha_n$, so the integral must be $0$
The remaining condition is
$$ u(x,0) = f(x) = sum_n C_n X_n(x) $$
where $f(x)$ is a known function. Using orthogonality
$$ int_0^1 f(x)X_m(x) dx = sum_n C_n int_0^1 X_n(x) X_m(x) dx = C_m int_0^1 big[X_m(x)big]^2 dx $$
$$ implies C_n = frac{int_0^1 f(x) X_n(x) dx}{int_0^1 big[X_n(x)big]^2 dx} $$
where the integrals depend on $alpha_n$. Again, numerical computation is useful here
If you follow the same method for the other case, i.e. $X'' = mu^2 X$, you'll find
$$ X_n(x) = frac{mu_n}{h}cosh(mu_n x) + sinh(mu_n x) $$
and $ mu_ntanhmu_n = h $. There is one solution if $h > 0$.
Note that the formula for $C_n$ works the same whether the eigenvalue is positive, negative, or zero.
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Let's start off with the eigenfunction in $x$
$$ X_n(x) = -frac{alpha_n}{h}cos(alpha_n x) + B_nsin(alpha_n x) $$
The first B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(0) + hX_n(0) = alpha_n B_n - alpha_n = 0 implies B_n = 1 $$
With that out of the way, the second B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(1) = alpha_nleft[frac{alpha_n}{h}sin alpha_n + cosalpha_nright] = 0 $$
$$ implies alpha_ntanalpha_n = -h $$
This is a necessary condition for $alpha_n$. There is no closed form, but you can solve it numerically given any $h$.
To show the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, note that for $nne m$ we have
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n = {X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 + int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' $$
However
begin{align}
{X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 &= -{X_m}'(0)X_n(0) + X_m(0){X_n}'(0) \
&= hX_m(0)cdot X_n(0) - X_m(0)cdot hX_n(0) = 0
end{align}
Therefore
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n - int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' = 0 implies -(alpha_m^2-alpha_n^2)int_0^1 X_mX_n = 0 $$
But $alpha_m ne alpha_n$, so the integral must be $0$
The remaining condition is
$$ u(x,0) = f(x) = sum_n C_n X_n(x) $$
where $f(x)$ is a known function. Using orthogonality
$$ int_0^1 f(x)X_m(x) dx = sum_n C_n int_0^1 X_n(x) X_m(x) dx = C_m int_0^1 big[X_m(x)big]^2 dx $$
$$ implies C_n = frac{int_0^1 f(x) X_n(x) dx}{int_0^1 big[X_n(x)big]^2 dx} $$
where the integrals depend on $alpha_n$. Again, numerical computation is useful here
If you follow the same method for the other case, i.e. $X'' = mu^2 X$, you'll find
$$ X_n(x) = frac{mu_n}{h}cosh(mu_n x) + sinh(mu_n x) $$
and $ mu_ntanhmu_n = h $. There is one solution if $h > 0$.
Note that the formula for $C_n$ works the same whether the eigenvalue is positive, negative, or zero.
Let's start off with the eigenfunction in $x$
$$ X_n(x) = -frac{alpha_n}{h}cos(alpha_n x) + B_nsin(alpha_n x) $$
The first B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(0) + hX_n(0) = alpha_n B_n - alpha_n = 0 implies B_n = 1 $$
With that out of the way, the second B.C. gives
$$ X_n'(1) = alpha_nleft[frac{alpha_n}{h}sin alpha_n + cosalpha_nright] = 0 $$
$$ implies alpha_ntanalpha_n = -h $$
This is a necessary condition for $alpha_n$. There is no closed form, but you can solve it numerically given any $h$.
To show the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, note that for $nne m$ we have
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n = {X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 + int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' $$
However
begin{align}
{X_m}'X_nBigg|_0^1 - X_n{X_m}'Bigg|_0^1 &= -{X_m}'(0)X_n(0) + X_m(0){X_n}'(0) \
&= hX_m(0)cdot X_n(0) - X_m(0)cdot hX_n(0) = 0
end{align}
Therefore
$$ int_0^1 {X_m}''X_n - int_0^1 X_m{X_n}'' = 0 implies -(alpha_m^2-alpha_n^2)int_0^1 X_mX_n = 0 $$
But $alpha_m ne alpha_n$, so the integral must be $0$
The remaining condition is
$$ u(x,0) = f(x) = sum_n C_n X_n(x) $$
where $f(x)$ is a known function. Using orthogonality
$$ int_0^1 f(x)X_m(x) dx = sum_n C_n int_0^1 X_n(x) X_m(x) dx = C_m int_0^1 big[X_m(x)big]^2 dx $$
$$ implies C_n = frac{int_0^1 f(x) X_n(x) dx}{int_0^1 big[X_n(x)big]^2 dx} $$
where the integrals depend on $alpha_n$. Again, numerical computation is useful here
If you follow the same method for the other case, i.e. $X'' = mu^2 X$, you'll find
$$ X_n(x) = frac{mu_n}{h}cosh(mu_n x) + sinh(mu_n x) $$
and $ mu_ntanhmu_n = h $. There is one solution if $h > 0$.
Note that the formula for $C_n$ works the same whether the eigenvalue is positive, negative, or zero.
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– carsandpulsars
Nov 29 at 4:56
@carsandpulsars Added!
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 5:01
For determining the coefficients, the boundary of $x$ is important from the orthogonality relations, is it $[0,1]$?
– DaveNine
Nov 29 at 9:46
Yes. Sorry for not including that.
– MathIsLife12
Nov 29 at 13:41