Proving a continuous function is a constant











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Let $f$ be a function that is continuous on an interval $[a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a,b)$. Assume $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin (a,b)$. Show f is a constant.



I feel like the obvious set up is by contradiction. If I assume $f$ is not a constant, then it must have a variable, but I'm unsure how to construct an $f$ (without loss of generality) which I can then differentiate to contradict $f'(x)=0$.



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    Do you know the mean value theorem?
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  • doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
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  • No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
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  • Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
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    @AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
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Let $f$ be a function that is continuous on an interval $[a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a,b)$. Assume $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin (a,b)$. Show f is a constant.



I feel like the obvious set up is by contradiction. If I assume $f$ is not a constant, then it must have a variable, but I'm unsure how to construct an $f$ (without loss of generality) which I can then differentiate to contradict $f'(x)=0$.



any suggestions to start this proof?










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  • 3




    Do you know the mean value theorem?
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:07










  • doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
    – Jess Savoie
    Nov 29 at 4:10










  • No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:11










  • Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
    – Aniruddha Deshmukh
    Nov 29 at 4:11






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    @AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
    – Hans Lundmark
    Nov 29 at 5:50













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Let $f$ be a function that is continuous on an interval $[a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a,b)$. Assume $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin (a,b)$. Show f is a constant.



I feel like the obvious set up is by contradiction. If I assume $f$ is not a constant, then it must have a variable, but I'm unsure how to construct an $f$ (without loss of generality) which I can then differentiate to contradict $f'(x)=0$.



any suggestions to start this proof?










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Let $f$ be a function that is continuous on an interval $[a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a,b)$. Assume $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin (a,b)$. Show f is a constant.



I feel like the obvious set up is by contradiction. If I assume $f$ is not a constant, then it must have a variable, but I'm unsure how to construct an $f$ (without loss of generality) which I can then differentiate to contradict $f'(x)=0$.



any suggestions to start this proof?







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  • 3




    Do you know the mean value theorem?
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:07










  • doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
    – Jess Savoie
    Nov 29 at 4:10










  • No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:11










  • Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
    – Aniruddha Deshmukh
    Nov 29 at 4:11






  • 2




    @AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
    – Hans Lundmark
    Nov 29 at 5:50














  • 3




    Do you know the mean value theorem?
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:07










  • doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
    – Jess Savoie
    Nov 29 at 4:10










  • No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
    – Randall
    Nov 29 at 4:11










  • Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
    – Aniruddha Deshmukh
    Nov 29 at 4:11






  • 2




    @AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
    – Hans Lundmark
    Nov 29 at 5:50








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Do you know the mean value theorem?
– Randall
Nov 29 at 4:07




Do you know the mean value theorem?
– Randall
Nov 29 at 4:07












doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
– Jess Savoie
Nov 29 at 4:10




doesn't that rely on the assumption that $f(a)=f(b)$ though?
– Jess Savoie
Nov 29 at 4:10












No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
– Randall
Nov 29 at 4:11




No. You may be thinking of Rolle.
– Randall
Nov 29 at 4:11












Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
– Aniruddha Deshmukh
Nov 29 at 4:11




Why don't we try using the very definition of differentiation?
– Aniruddha Deshmukh
Nov 29 at 4:11




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@AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 29 at 5:50




@AniruddhaDeshmukh: Because that would be much more difficult than using the mean value theorem. See for example, Tim Gowers's discussion here: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/meanvalue.html
– Hans Lundmark
Nov 29 at 5:50










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Let, $x,yin [a,b]$ then by Mean value theorem we have,
$$f(x)-f(y)=(x-y)f'(xi)$$ for some $x<xi<y$ and as given $f'(t)=0,forall tin(a,b)$ so, $f'(xi)=0implies f(x)=f(y),forall x,yin[a,b]$



Hence, $f$- is constant.






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    A proof by contradiction:



    We have to show: $$(f'(x)=0 implies f(x)=C) ni text{C is a constant}$$



    Which is nothing but, $$Pimplies Q$$.



    Suppose: $$lnot (Pimplies Q)$$



    Which is nothing but, $$P land lnot Q$$



    Therefore, suppose:
    $$f'(x)=0 land f(x)=h(x) ni text{h(x) is an arbitrary non-constant function}$$



    [$(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C^p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index.] This bit is not really relevant since, we are comparing $f(x)$ and $h(x)$ on $Asubseteq D$ where the functions are identical: f(x)=h(x).



    Notice, however, $$frac{d}{dx}f(x)=frac{d}{dx}h(x)$$



    $$frac{df}{dx}=frac{dh}{dx}$$



    Recall that we assumed: $h(x) text{ is an arbitrary non-constant function}$



    Therefore,



    $$frac{dh}{dx}=[k(x) lor L]$$
    Where $k(x)$ is an arbitrary function not equal to zero and $L$ is an arbitrary non-zero constant.



    However, in either case:



    $$frac{dh}{dx}neq0=frac{df}{dx}=f'(x)$$



    Therefore, since $lnot (Pimplies Q) implies bot$, then:



    $$(Pimplies Q)implies top$$






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      I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
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    • @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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    Let f be a function that is continuous on an interval [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b)$




    1) that means for all $a le a' < b' le b$ then $f$ is continuous on the interval $[a', b']subset [a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a',b') subset (a,b)$.



    and



    2) The mean value thereom applies.



    So for any $a le a' < b' le b$ we have that there is a $c; a' < c < b'$ where $f'(c) = frac {f(b') - f(a')}2$.



    But $f'(c) = 0$ so $f(b') = f(a')$ for all $a le a' < b' le b$.



    So $f$ is constant in the interval $[a,b]$ (can't say anythin about $f$ outside that interval.)






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      Here is an alternate proof which bypasses the Mean Value Theorem, and which I hope might be more conducive to visualization. First, I'll start off with a small topological lemma to abstract out that part of the argument:



      Lemma: Suppose $A subseteq [0, 1]$ satisfies $0 in A$, $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, and $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology. Then $A = [0, 1]$.



      Proof (outline): Let $B := { x in [0, 1] mid [0, x] subseteq A }$ and $c := sup B$ (using the fact that $0 in B$ so $B$ is nonempty) and suppose that $c < 1$. Then from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, we can conclude that $c in B$. On the other hand, the fact that $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology will now give a contradiction. Therefore, $c = 1$; and again, from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, this will imply that $1 in B$, so $A = [0, 1]$ as desired. $square$



      Now, to use this: to illustrate the essential points of the argument, I will restrict to the case where the domain of $f$ is $[0, 1]$ and $f(0) = 0$. The more general case should be straightforward to prove in a similar manner. Now, fix any $epsilon > 0$, and let $A_epsilon := { x in [0, 1] mid |f(x)| le epsilon x }$. Then $0 in A_epsilon$; and it should be straightforward to see that $A_epsilon$ is closed in the usual topology, and therefore also closed in the left half-interval topology. On the other hand, suppose $x in A_epsilon$; then from the hypothesis $f'(x) = 0$, we see that there exists $delta > 0$ such that whenever $0 < |y-x| < delta$, then $left| frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y - x} right| < epsilon$. Then, if in addition $y > x$, it follows that $|f(y)| le |f(x)| + |f(y) - f(x)| < epsilon x + epsilon |y-x| = epsilon y$; this shows that $A_epsilon$ is open in the right half-interval topology. Now from the lemma, it follows that $A_epsilon = [0, 1]$.



      In summary, we have shown that $forall epsilon > 0, forall x in [0, 1], |f(x)| le epsilon x$. We may now interchange the two quantifiers to conclude $forall x in [0, 1], forall epsilon > 0, |f(x)| le epsilon x$. However, this easily implies $forall x in [0, 1], f(x) = 0$.






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        Well, $f'(x)$ gives the rate of change of $f$ at a point $x$. If $f'(x)=0 forall x in (a,b)$, then $f(x)$ isn't changing, i.e. it is constant, on $(a,b)$.



        That's the idea, you just need to show it mathematically.






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          Let, $x,yin [a,b]$ then by Mean value theorem we have,
          $$f(x)-f(y)=(x-y)f'(xi)$$ for some $x<xi<y$ and as given $f'(t)=0,forall tin(a,b)$ so, $f'(xi)=0implies f(x)=f(y),forall x,yin[a,b]$



          Hence, $f$- is constant.






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            Let, $x,yin [a,b]$ then by Mean value theorem we have,
            $$f(x)-f(y)=(x-y)f'(xi)$$ for some $x<xi<y$ and as given $f'(t)=0,forall tin(a,b)$ so, $f'(xi)=0implies f(x)=f(y),forall x,yin[a,b]$



            Hence, $f$- is constant.






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              Let, $x,yin [a,b]$ then by Mean value theorem we have,
              $$f(x)-f(y)=(x-y)f'(xi)$$ for some $x<xi<y$ and as given $f'(t)=0,forall tin(a,b)$ so, $f'(xi)=0implies f(x)=f(y),forall x,yin[a,b]$



              Hence, $f$- is constant.






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              Let, $x,yin [a,b]$ then by Mean value theorem we have,
              $$f(x)-f(y)=(x-y)f'(xi)$$ for some $x<xi<y$ and as given $f'(t)=0,forall tin(a,b)$ so, $f'(xi)=0implies f(x)=f(y),forall x,yin[a,b]$



              Hence, $f$- is constant.







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                  A proof by contradiction:



                  We have to show: $$(f'(x)=0 implies f(x)=C) ni text{C is a constant}$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$Pimplies Q$$.



                  Suppose: $$lnot (Pimplies Q)$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$P land lnot Q$$



                  Therefore, suppose:
                  $$f'(x)=0 land f(x)=h(x) ni text{h(x) is an arbitrary non-constant function}$$



                  [$(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C^p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index.] This bit is not really relevant since, we are comparing $f(x)$ and $h(x)$ on $Asubseteq D$ where the functions are identical: f(x)=h(x).



                  Notice, however, $$frac{d}{dx}f(x)=frac{d}{dx}h(x)$$



                  $$frac{df}{dx}=frac{dh}{dx}$$



                  Recall that we assumed: $h(x) text{ is an arbitrary non-constant function}$



                  Therefore,



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}=[k(x) lor L]$$
                  Where $k(x)$ is an arbitrary function not equal to zero and $L$ is an arbitrary non-zero constant.



                  However, in either case:



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}neq0=frac{df}{dx}=f'(x)$$



                  Therefore, since $lnot (Pimplies Q) implies bot$, then:



                  $$(Pimplies Q)implies top$$






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                    I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
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                  • @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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                  A proof by contradiction:



                  We have to show: $$(f'(x)=0 implies f(x)=C) ni text{C is a constant}$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$Pimplies Q$$.



                  Suppose: $$lnot (Pimplies Q)$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$P land lnot Q$$



                  Therefore, suppose:
                  $$f'(x)=0 land f(x)=h(x) ni text{h(x) is an arbitrary non-constant function}$$



                  [$(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C^p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index.] This bit is not really relevant since, we are comparing $f(x)$ and $h(x)$ on $Asubseteq D$ where the functions are identical: f(x)=h(x).



                  Notice, however, $$frac{d}{dx}f(x)=frac{d}{dx}h(x)$$



                  $$frac{df}{dx}=frac{dh}{dx}$$



                  Recall that we assumed: $h(x) text{ is an arbitrary non-constant function}$



                  Therefore,



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}=[k(x) lor L]$$
                  Where $k(x)$ is an arbitrary function not equal to zero and $L$ is an arbitrary non-zero constant.



                  However, in either case:



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}neq0=frac{df}{dx}=f'(x)$$



                  Therefore, since $lnot (Pimplies Q) implies bot$, then:



                  $$(Pimplies Q)implies top$$






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                    I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
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                  • @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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                  A proof by contradiction:



                  We have to show: $$(f'(x)=0 implies f(x)=C) ni text{C is a constant}$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$Pimplies Q$$.



                  Suppose: $$lnot (Pimplies Q)$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$P land lnot Q$$



                  Therefore, suppose:
                  $$f'(x)=0 land f(x)=h(x) ni text{h(x) is an arbitrary non-constant function}$$



                  [$(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C^p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index.] This bit is not really relevant since, we are comparing $f(x)$ and $h(x)$ on $Asubseteq D$ where the functions are identical: f(x)=h(x).



                  Notice, however, $$frac{d}{dx}f(x)=frac{d}{dx}h(x)$$



                  $$frac{df}{dx}=frac{dh}{dx}$$



                  Recall that we assumed: $h(x) text{ is an arbitrary non-constant function}$



                  Therefore,



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}=[k(x) lor L]$$
                  Where $k(x)$ is an arbitrary function not equal to zero and $L$ is an arbitrary non-zero constant.



                  However, in either case:



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}neq0=frac{df}{dx}=f'(x)$$



                  Therefore, since $lnot (Pimplies Q) implies bot$, then:



                  $$(Pimplies Q)implies top$$






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                  A proof by contradiction:



                  We have to show: $$(f'(x)=0 implies f(x)=C) ni text{C is a constant}$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$Pimplies Q$$.



                  Suppose: $$lnot (Pimplies Q)$$



                  Which is nothing but, $$P land lnot Q$$



                  Therefore, suppose:
                  $$f'(x)=0 land f(x)=h(x) ni text{h(x) is an arbitrary non-constant function}$$



                  [$(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C^p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index.] This bit is not really relevant since, we are comparing $f(x)$ and $h(x)$ on $Asubseteq D$ where the functions are identical: f(x)=h(x).



                  Notice, however, $$frac{d}{dx}f(x)=frac{d}{dx}h(x)$$



                  $$frac{df}{dx}=frac{dh}{dx}$$



                  Recall that we assumed: $h(x) text{ is an arbitrary non-constant function}$



                  Therefore,



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}=[k(x) lor L]$$
                  Where $k(x)$ is an arbitrary function not equal to zero and $L$ is an arbitrary non-zero constant.



                  However, in either case:



                  $$frac{dh}{dx}neq0=frac{df}{dx}=f'(x)$$



                  Therefore, since $lnot (Pimplies Q) implies bot$, then:



                  $$(Pimplies Q)implies top$$







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                    I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
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                  • @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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                    I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
                    – Randall
                    Nov 29 at 15:02












                  • @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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                  I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
                  – Randall
                  Nov 29 at 15:02






                  I'm not sure all the logic actually helps. Also, the non-constant function $h(x) = begin{cases} 1, & x geq 0\ -1, & x<0end{cases}$ has $h'(x)=0$ (at all but one point) but isn't constant, which complicates your argument.
                  – Randall
                  Nov 29 at 15:02














                  @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
                  – Bertrand Wittgenstein's Ghost
                  Nov 29 at 18:16




                  @Randall I thought the logical mechanism might be useful. That said, $(h'(x)neq 0)(forall xneq C^p_n)$; where $C_p$ is the critical point, and $n$ is an arbitrary index. Other than that, thanks for the input.
                  – Bertrand Wittgenstein's Ghost
                  Nov 29 at 18:16










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                  Let f be a function that is continuous on an interval [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b)$




                  1) that means for all $a le a' < b' le b$ then $f$ is continuous on the interval $[a', b']subset [a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a',b') subset (a,b)$.



                  and



                  2) The mean value thereom applies.



                  So for any $a le a' < b' le b$ we have that there is a $c; a' < c < b'$ where $f'(c) = frac {f(b') - f(a')}2$.



                  But $f'(c) = 0$ so $f(b') = f(a')$ for all $a le a' < b' le b$.



                  So $f$ is constant in the interval $[a,b]$ (can't say anythin about $f$ outside that interval.)






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                    Let f be a function that is continuous on an interval [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b)$




                    1) that means for all $a le a' < b' le b$ then $f$ is continuous on the interval $[a', b']subset [a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a',b') subset (a,b)$.



                    and



                    2) The mean value thereom applies.



                    So for any $a le a' < b' le b$ we have that there is a $c; a' < c < b'$ where $f'(c) = frac {f(b') - f(a')}2$.



                    But $f'(c) = 0$ so $f(b') = f(a')$ for all $a le a' < b' le b$.



                    So $f$ is constant in the interval $[a,b]$ (can't say anythin about $f$ outside that interval.)






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                      Let f be a function that is continuous on an interval [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b)$




                      1) that means for all $a le a' < b' le b$ then $f$ is continuous on the interval $[a', b']subset [a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a',b') subset (a,b)$.



                      and



                      2) The mean value thereom applies.



                      So for any $a le a' < b' le b$ we have that there is a $c; a' < c < b'$ where $f'(c) = frac {f(b') - f(a')}2$.



                      But $f'(c) = 0$ so $f(b') = f(a')$ for all $a le a' < b' le b$.



                      So $f$ is constant in the interval $[a,b]$ (can't say anythin about $f$ outside that interval.)






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                      Let f be a function that is continuous on an interval [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b)$




                      1) that means for all $a le a' < b' le b$ then $f$ is continuous on the interval $[a', b']subset [a,b]$ and differentiable on $(a',b') subset (a,b)$.



                      and



                      2) The mean value thereom applies.



                      So for any $a le a' < b' le b$ we have that there is a $c; a' < c < b'$ where $f'(c) = frac {f(b') - f(a')}2$.



                      But $f'(c) = 0$ so $f(b') = f(a')$ for all $a le a' < b' le b$.



                      So $f$ is constant in the interval $[a,b]$ (can't say anythin about $f$ outside that interval.)







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                          Here is an alternate proof which bypasses the Mean Value Theorem, and which I hope might be more conducive to visualization. First, I'll start off with a small topological lemma to abstract out that part of the argument:



                          Lemma: Suppose $A subseteq [0, 1]$ satisfies $0 in A$, $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, and $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology. Then $A = [0, 1]$.



                          Proof (outline): Let $B := { x in [0, 1] mid [0, x] subseteq A }$ and $c := sup B$ (using the fact that $0 in B$ so $B$ is nonempty) and suppose that $c < 1$. Then from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, we can conclude that $c in B$. On the other hand, the fact that $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology will now give a contradiction. Therefore, $c = 1$; and again, from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, this will imply that $1 in B$, so $A = [0, 1]$ as desired. $square$



                          Now, to use this: to illustrate the essential points of the argument, I will restrict to the case where the domain of $f$ is $[0, 1]$ and $f(0) = 0$. The more general case should be straightforward to prove in a similar manner. Now, fix any $epsilon > 0$, and let $A_epsilon := { x in [0, 1] mid |f(x)| le epsilon x }$. Then $0 in A_epsilon$; and it should be straightforward to see that $A_epsilon$ is closed in the usual topology, and therefore also closed in the left half-interval topology. On the other hand, suppose $x in A_epsilon$; then from the hypothesis $f'(x) = 0$, we see that there exists $delta > 0$ such that whenever $0 < |y-x| < delta$, then $left| frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y - x} right| < epsilon$. Then, if in addition $y > x$, it follows that $|f(y)| le |f(x)| + |f(y) - f(x)| < epsilon x + epsilon |y-x| = epsilon y$; this shows that $A_epsilon$ is open in the right half-interval topology. Now from the lemma, it follows that $A_epsilon = [0, 1]$.



                          In summary, we have shown that $forall epsilon > 0, forall x in [0, 1], |f(x)| le epsilon x$. We may now interchange the two quantifiers to conclude $forall x in [0, 1], forall epsilon > 0, |f(x)| le epsilon x$. However, this easily implies $forall x in [0, 1], f(x) = 0$.






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                            Here is an alternate proof which bypasses the Mean Value Theorem, and which I hope might be more conducive to visualization. First, I'll start off with a small topological lemma to abstract out that part of the argument:



                            Lemma: Suppose $A subseteq [0, 1]$ satisfies $0 in A$, $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, and $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology. Then $A = [0, 1]$.



                            Proof (outline): Let $B := { x in [0, 1] mid [0, x] subseteq A }$ and $c := sup B$ (using the fact that $0 in B$ so $B$ is nonempty) and suppose that $c < 1$. Then from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, we can conclude that $c in B$. On the other hand, the fact that $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology will now give a contradiction. Therefore, $c = 1$; and again, from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, this will imply that $1 in B$, so $A = [0, 1]$ as desired. $square$



                            Now, to use this: to illustrate the essential points of the argument, I will restrict to the case where the domain of $f$ is $[0, 1]$ and $f(0) = 0$. The more general case should be straightforward to prove in a similar manner. Now, fix any $epsilon > 0$, and let $A_epsilon := { x in [0, 1] mid |f(x)| le epsilon x }$. Then $0 in A_epsilon$; and it should be straightforward to see that $A_epsilon$ is closed in the usual topology, and therefore also closed in the left half-interval topology. On the other hand, suppose $x in A_epsilon$; then from the hypothesis $f'(x) = 0$, we see that there exists $delta > 0$ such that whenever $0 < |y-x| < delta$, then $left| frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y - x} right| < epsilon$. Then, if in addition $y > x$, it follows that $|f(y)| le |f(x)| + |f(y) - f(x)| < epsilon x + epsilon |y-x| = epsilon y$; this shows that $A_epsilon$ is open in the right half-interval topology. Now from the lemma, it follows that $A_epsilon = [0, 1]$.



                            In summary, we have shown that $forall epsilon > 0, forall x in [0, 1], |f(x)| le epsilon x$. We may now interchange the two quantifiers to conclude $forall x in [0, 1], forall epsilon > 0, |f(x)| le epsilon x$. However, this easily implies $forall x in [0, 1], f(x) = 0$.






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                              Here is an alternate proof which bypasses the Mean Value Theorem, and which I hope might be more conducive to visualization. First, I'll start off with a small topological lemma to abstract out that part of the argument:



                              Lemma: Suppose $A subseteq [0, 1]$ satisfies $0 in A$, $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, and $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology. Then $A = [0, 1]$.



                              Proof (outline): Let $B := { x in [0, 1] mid [0, x] subseteq A }$ and $c := sup B$ (using the fact that $0 in B$ so $B$ is nonempty) and suppose that $c < 1$. Then from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, we can conclude that $c in B$. On the other hand, the fact that $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology will now give a contradiction. Therefore, $c = 1$; and again, from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, this will imply that $1 in B$, so $A = [0, 1]$ as desired. $square$



                              Now, to use this: to illustrate the essential points of the argument, I will restrict to the case where the domain of $f$ is $[0, 1]$ and $f(0) = 0$. The more general case should be straightforward to prove in a similar manner. Now, fix any $epsilon > 0$, and let $A_epsilon := { x in [0, 1] mid |f(x)| le epsilon x }$. Then $0 in A_epsilon$; and it should be straightforward to see that $A_epsilon$ is closed in the usual topology, and therefore also closed in the left half-interval topology. On the other hand, suppose $x in A_epsilon$; then from the hypothesis $f'(x) = 0$, we see that there exists $delta > 0$ such that whenever $0 < |y-x| < delta$, then $left| frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y - x} right| < epsilon$. Then, if in addition $y > x$, it follows that $|f(y)| le |f(x)| + |f(y) - f(x)| < epsilon x + epsilon |y-x| = epsilon y$; this shows that $A_epsilon$ is open in the right half-interval topology. Now from the lemma, it follows that $A_epsilon = [0, 1]$.



                              In summary, we have shown that $forall epsilon > 0, forall x in [0, 1], |f(x)| le epsilon x$. We may now interchange the two quantifiers to conclude $forall x in [0, 1], forall epsilon > 0, |f(x)| le epsilon x$. However, this easily implies $forall x in [0, 1], f(x) = 0$.






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                              Here is an alternate proof which bypasses the Mean Value Theorem, and which I hope might be more conducive to visualization. First, I'll start off with a small topological lemma to abstract out that part of the argument:



                              Lemma: Suppose $A subseteq [0, 1]$ satisfies $0 in A$, $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, and $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology. Then $A = [0, 1]$.



                              Proof (outline): Let $B := { x in [0, 1] mid [0, x] subseteq A }$ and $c := sup B$ (using the fact that $0 in B$ so $B$ is nonempty) and suppose that $c < 1$. Then from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, we can conclude that $c in B$. On the other hand, the fact that $A$ is open under the right half-interval topology will now give a contradiction. Therefore, $c = 1$; and again, from the condition that $A$ is closed under the left half-interval topology, this will imply that $1 in B$, so $A = [0, 1]$ as desired. $square$



                              Now, to use this: to illustrate the essential points of the argument, I will restrict to the case where the domain of $f$ is $[0, 1]$ and $f(0) = 0$. The more general case should be straightforward to prove in a similar manner. Now, fix any $epsilon > 0$, and let $A_epsilon := { x in [0, 1] mid |f(x)| le epsilon x }$. Then $0 in A_epsilon$; and it should be straightforward to see that $A_epsilon$ is closed in the usual topology, and therefore also closed in the left half-interval topology. On the other hand, suppose $x in A_epsilon$; then from the hypothesis $f'(x) = 0$, we see that there exists $delta > 0$ such that whenever $0 < |y-x| < delta$, then $left| frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y - x} right| < epsilon$. Then, if in addition $y > x$, it follows that $|f(y)| le |f(x)| + |f(y) - f(x)| < epsilon x + epsilon |y-x| = epsilon y$; this shows that $A_epsilon$ is open in the right half-interval topology. Now from the lemma, it follows that $A_epsilon = [0, 1]$.



                              In summary, we have shown that $forall epsilon > 0, forall x in [0, 1], |f(x)| le epsilon x$. We may now interchange the two quantifiers to conclude $forall x in [0, 1], forall epsilon > 0, |f(x)| le epsilon x$. However, this easily implies $forall x in [0, 1], f(x) = 0$.







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                                  Well, $f'(x)$ gives the rate of change of $f$ at a point $x$. If $f'(x)=0 forall x in (a,b)$, then $f(x)$ isn't changing, i.e. it is constant, on $(a,b)$.



                                  That's the idea, you just need to show it mathematically.






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                                    Well, $f'(x)$ gives the rate of change of $f$ at a point $x$. If $f'(x)=0 forall x in (a,b)$, then $f(x)$ isn't changing, i.e. it is constant, on $(a,b)$.



                                    That's the idea, you just need to show it mathematically.






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                                      Well, $f'(x)$ gives the rate of change of $f$ at a point $x$. If $f'(x)=0 forall x in (a,b)$, then $f(x)$ isn't changing, i.e. it is constant, on $(a,b)$.



                                      That's the idea, you just need to show it mathematically.






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                                      Well, $f'(x)$ gives the rate of change of $f$ at a point $x$. If $f'(x)=0 forall x in (a,b)$, then $f(x)$ isn't changing, i.e. it is constant, on $(a,b)$.



                                      That's the idea, you just need to show it mathematically.







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